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post Jan 22 2013, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Jan 22 2013, 04:10 PM)
4% interest monthly?!? Yearly ma become 48% annually?? This looks like A-Long Sdn Bhd.
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It's 4%p.a monthly rest, is it worth?
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post Jan 22 2013, 04:58 PM

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Since you know only need to pay RM14K, why not loan RM15K?
Haha.. unless company need it to be even numbers =P

And you plan to finish pay all for how long? 3 ? 5 years?
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post Jan 22 2013, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Jan 22 2013, 04:58 PM)
Since you know only need to pay RM14K, why not loan RM15K?
Haha.. unless company need it to be even numbers =P

And you plan to finish pay all for how long? 3 ? 5 years?
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Have to loan 20k. 3years.
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post Jan 22 2013, 05:27 PM

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Looks like not a bad idea la.. Can use =)

RM1257.29 interest throughout 3 years. Every month pay RM590.48
Better than % rate provided by banks for personal loan.

Hope my calculation is correct la.. calculated by monthly rest.

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post Jan 22 2013, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(avatar123 @ Jan 22 2013, 04:35 PM)
It's 4%p.a monthly rest, is it worth?
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dude - simple talk/view:
1. 4%pa (dont care what rest) VS PTPTN x%pa?
If less cost %, then worthwhile to take the 4%pa
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If more cost %, not logical to take right... unless somehow U need the cash to settle (ie. U owed PTPTN since... and now owe lump sum... and can't clear...)

2. U owe PTPTN $14K but the new loan $20K. U have the discipline to handle the extra cash for making more than 4%pa?
Forced to ask this Q coz some people (my previous self included tongue.gif) when have $ lying around, backside itchy, suddenly got urge or "emergency", like "emergency need new gadget/changgih mobile phone".
If disciplined enough, no probs.
If not, it's like playing with a loaded gun.

Just cow sense above, no right/wrong yar notworthy.gif

Additional thoughts:
4%pa is low leh, even lower than most housing loans which the banks hold collateral.
Thus, IF U are an investor AND U have things which can, on average make U >=6%pa, U may want to tap this 4%pa loan. IF lar biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Jan 22 2013, 05:38 PM
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post Jan 22 2013, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 22 2013, 05:35 PM)
Additional thoughts:
4%pa is low leh, even lower than most housing loans which the banks hold collateral.
Thus, IF U are an investor AND U have things which can, on average make U >=6%pa, U may want to tap this 4%pa loan. IF lar biggrin.gif
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Err sorry sifu! tongue.gif

PL interest rate is different from most mortgage reducing rate, so the effective interest rate p.a. is much higher than stated.

Effective interest rate for PL @ 4% is about ~7.4% p.a. (our in-house accountant pinky can help us count nod.gif)

PL @4%, 20K loan 3 years = 622.22 per month x 36 month = 22,399.92, total interest paid = 2,399.92

PTPN 20% rebate = 14K x0.2 = RM 2,800

You only save like RM 400 for 3 years.

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post Jan 22 2013, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Jan 22 2013, 05:27 PM)
Looks like not a bad idea la.. Can use =)

RM1257.29 interest throughout 3 years. Every month pay RM590.48
Better than % rate provided by banks for personal loan.

Hope my calculation is correct la.. calculated by monthly rest.
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PL interest is calculated up-front just like car loan, cannot use reducing principal calculation. Bank also want to cari makan what.. if give you 4% reducing rate want to makan apa? laugh.gif

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post Jan 22 2013, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 22 2013, 06:28 PM)
Err sorry sifu!  tongue.gif

PL interest rate is different from most mortgage reducing rate, so the effective interest rate p.a. is much higher than stated.

Effective interest rate for PL @ 4% is about ~7.4% p.a.  (our in-house accountant pinky can help us count nod.gif)

PL @4%, 20K loan 3 years = 622.22 per month x 36 month = 22,399.92, total interest paid = 2,399.92

PTPN 20% rebate = 14K x0.2  = RM 2,800

You only save like RM 400 for 3 years.
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er.. i thought he said company loan wor, not PL?
if i misread & it's Personal Loan instead of company staff loan (benefits), forget it
My bad notworthy.gif
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post Jan 22 2013, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 22 2013, 06:45 PM)
er.. i thought he said company loan wor, not PL?
if i misread & it's Personal Loan instead of company staff loan (benefits), forget it
My bad  notworthy.gif
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Well technically he say company personal loan hmm.gif . This kind of 4% loan is very common in GLC/govt institution working together with major banks. The payment will then be cut directly from salary.

A lot of people has been conned to think they get better interest rate. Typical sales talk is "only 4% mar a bit higher than FD only what, special for GLC employess only u know..." laugh.gif

If really he means company benefit loan, then by all means go for it. tongue.gif

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post Jan 22 2013, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 22 2013, 07:03 PM)
Well technically he say company personal loan  hmm.gif . This kind of 4% loan is very common in GLC/govt institution working together with major banks. The payment will then be cut directly from salary.

A lot of people has been conned to think they get better interest rate. Typical sales talk is "only 4% mar a bit higher than FD only what, special for GLC employess only u know..."  laugh.gif

If really he means company benefit loan, then by all means go for it.  tongue.gif
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ah.. then the magic Q our buddy shd be asking is:
what is the effective rate of interest pa?
hehhe - then easily comparable to even FD & stuff.
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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 22 2013, 06:28 PM)
Err sorry sifu!  tongue.gif

PL interest rate is different from most mortgage reducing rate, so the effective interest rate p.a. is much higher than stated.

Effective interest rate for PL @ 4% is about ~7.4% p.a.  (our in-house accountant pinky can help us count nod.gif)

PL @4%, 20K loan 3 years = 622.22 per month x 36 month = 22,399.92, total interest paid = 2,399.92

PTPN 20% rebate = 14K x0.2  = RM 2,800

You only save like RM 400 for 3 years.
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Since when I have this honour? tongue.gif

EIR for 4% p.a. 3-year loan is 7.51% icon_rolleyes.gif
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If it is personal loan, still need to mentioned daily or monthly rest want meh?
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post Jan 23 2013, 07:40 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 22 2013, 05:35 PM)
dude - simple talk/view:
1. 4%pa (dont care what rest) VS PTPTN x%pa?
If less cost %, then worthwhile to take the 4%pa
ELSE
If more cost %, not logical to take right... unless somehow U need the cash to settle (ie. U owed PTPTN since... and now owe lump sum... and can't clear...)

2. U owe PTPTN $14K but the new loan $20K. U have the discipline to handle the extra cash for making more than 4%pa?
Forced to ask this Q coz some people (my previous self included tongue.gif) when have $ lying around, backside itchy, suddenly got urge or "emergency", like "emergency need new gadget/changgih mobile phone".
If disciplined enough, no probs.
If not, it's like playing with a loaded gun.

Just cow sense above, no right/wrong yar  notworthy.gif

Additional thoughts:
4%pa is low leh, even lower than most housing loans which the banks hold collateral.
Thus, IF U are an investor AND U have things which can, on average make U >=6%pa, U may want to tap this 4%pa loan. IF lar biggrin.gif
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Yes I'm investor but not going to touch the extra 5k, will find something higher rate to save it only.

Disipline wise, work nearly 3 years, use <rm100 hp, no car, no house, no personal loan, every month clear credit card debt, i think ok kua blush.gif

if i clear ptptn i can have 3+k rebate. Installment with 20k eat me interest 1.3k, thus can save 1.7k lor.

But as u said, really need to manage well the remaining 5k..
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post Jan 23 2013, 07:41 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 22 2013, 06:28 PM)
Err sorry sifu!  tongue.gif

PL interest rate is different from most mortgage reducing rate, so the effective interest rate p.a. is much higher than stated.

Effective interest rate for PL @ 4% is about ~7.4% p.a.  (our in-house accountant pinky can help us count nod.gif)

PL @4%, 20K loan 3 years = 622.22 per month x 36 month = 22,399.92, total interest paid = 2,399.92

PTPN 20% rebate = 14K x0.2  = RM 2,800

You only save like RM 400 for 3 years.
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Oh the PL for this personal loan is 4%p.a monthly rest, means 3 years only 1.3k interest in total for 20k laugh.gif
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post Jan 23 2013, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 22 2013, 07:15 PM)
ah.. then the magic Q our buddy shd be asking is:
what is the effective rate of interest pa?
hehhe - then easily comparable to even FD & stuff.
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4%p.a, if take 3 years for 20k means 1.3k in total which is 2.1%p.a with constant rate.
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QUOTE(avatar123 @ Jan 23 2013, 07:43 AM)
4%p.a, if take 3 years for 20k means 1.3k in total which is 2.1%p.a with constant rate.
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Best if U know what is the repayment schedule
eg. every month, how much must U pay back per month for 3 years?
with that, i can ascertain your effective interest rate pa.
coz your "constant rate" is not too comparable with FD rate nor any other compounded pa rate.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 23 2013, 07:54 AM)
Best if U know what is the repayment schedule
eg. every month, how much must U pay back per month for 3 years?
with that, i can ascertain your effective interest rate pa.
coz your "constant rate" is not too comparable with FD rate nor any other compounded pa rate.
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For 20k, 3 years i need to pay RM591 monthly. smile.gif
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QUOTE(avatar123 @ Jan 23 2013, 08:18 AM)
For 20k, 3 years i need to pay RM591 monthly. smile.gif
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hm.. that's approximately 4.17%pa. Good deal if i can get at it (with no collateral summore) biggrin.gif
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post Jan 23 2013, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 23 2013, 08:32 AM)
hm.. that's approximately 4.17%pa. Good deal if i can get at it (with no collateral summore) biggrin.gif
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Eh how u get this 4.17%p.a? Mind to share?

I found it is lower than any other loan can offer..
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QUOTE(avatar123 @ Jan 23 2013, 08:34 AM)
Eh how u get this 4.17%p.a? Mind to share?

I found it is lower than any other loan can offer..
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er.. checkout the screenshot - the formula in Excel is there (see the formula bar). I used XIRR() function

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