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wongmunkeong
post Oct 1 2012, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(beebee @ Oct 1 2012, 01:42 PM)
hi all sifu's,

need some opinion here, currently having a property loan balance of around RM120k remaining 16 years @ 4% interest fixed, epf account 2 have around RM50k available, should i use the RM50k to reduce the loan or keep the cash in epf for the average 5% interest?
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Logic-wise: 5%pa to cover 4%pa doesn't make sense
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More than logic-wise: If U are capable as an investor OR business person, taking out MONTHLY or YEARLY (different yar, please check KWSP) for cash flow purposes is worthwhile.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 1 2012, 01:49 PM)
Logic-wise: 5%pa to cover 4%pa doesn't make sense
VS
More than logic-wise: If U are capable as an investor OR business person, taking out MONTHLY or YEARLY (different yar, please check KWSP) for cash flow purposes is worthwhile.

Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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thanks sifu wong,

well actually my aim was to quickly finish the existing loan and jump to another property, so do you think it is worth to do like this?
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post Oct 1 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(beebee @ Oct 1 2012, 03:15 PM)
thanks sifu wong,

well actually my aim was to quickly finish the existing loan and jump to another property, so do you think it is worth to do like this?
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Bro - no sifu, just a working stiff, leveraging on "know the rules, use the rules" notworthy.gif

Hmm.. if that's your goal, should be good and clear - just take out and paydown cow cow.

Other thoughts IF U have a flexi mortgage a/c:
a. Use monthly withdrawals for EPF A/C2 - not lump sum yearly. These goes to your bank a/c, NOT mortgage a/c like the yearly withdrawals.
b. These then may be used to pay for your other properties/investments
OR
pay down your mortgage (knocking down capital, thus interest charges),
WHILE awaiting investment opportunities. Re-draw (flexi mortgage mar) when the opportunities arise.

Just a thought notworthy.gif

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Oct 1 2012, 04:25 PM
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post Oct 1 2012, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 1 2012, 04:24 PM)
Bro - no sifu, just a working stiff, leveraging on "know the rules, use the rules"  notworthy.gif

Hmm.. if that's your goal, should be good and clear - just take out and paydown cow cow.

Other thoughts IF U have a flexi mortgage a/c:
a. Use monthly withdrawals for EPF A/C2 - not lump sum yearly. These goes to your bank a/c, NOT mortgage a/c like the yearly withdrawals.
b. These then may be used to pay for your other properties/investments
OR
pay down your mortgage (knocking down capital, thus interest charges),
WHILE awaiting investment opportunities. Re-draw (flexi mortgage mar) when the opportunities arise.

Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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thanks sifu whistling.gif for the advice, will do further research notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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post Oct 3 2012, 03:57 PM

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How to Retire by 50
By Farnoosh Torabi | Yahoo! Finance – 13 hours ago.. .
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For Darrow Kirkpatrick, retirement means no work, all play, and enough money to fully enjoy the golden years. And at just 50 years old, he's arrived.

“I’m not a dot-com millionaire. I didn’t flip real estate,” say Kirkpatrick. “I’m an engineer who saved a good chunk of his salary and lives carefully.”

I recently visited Darrow and wife Caroline at their home in Tennessee to learn his secrets to retiring some 15 years ahead of most Americans. He’s a former software engineer whose median income over the span of his career was roughly $100,000 a year. That’s a comfortable salary in a rural part of the country, but, still retiring by 50 is no easy feat.

“I think it’s very doable,” he says. “I didn’t really get interested in investing and early retirement until my mid-thirties and just pursued some consistent behaviors over the last decade.”

“We never drove fancy cars,” Darrow says. “We don’t do a lot of fancy travel. We like to camp, climb, hike and bike so we don’t have a lot of expensive vacations, although we’ve had a lot of great ones.” It’s worth noting that his wife still works as schoolteacher, which helps to secure the family’s health insurance.

Darrow says his family has a monthly budget of about $4,500, totaling one to two million dollars in savings to support that lifestyle. While most of us strive to live within our means, Darrow went to the extreme and lived way below. He first tackled his monthly, recurring expenses by not just by lowering costs, but eliminating them altogether.

“My first answer to myself is usually ‘no’ for anything that I think of,” he says. “The key thing is recurring expenses. They’re critical because when you commit to a monthly charge, you’re locking in a certain lifestyle and you want to watch out that you’re not ratcheting that up to a level you’ll be committed to for the rest of your life.”

Take a simple gym membership, which can cost $60 a month. Going for free runs in the park, instead, and investing that expense conservatively for 20 years in a 401(k) or IRA could yield more than $20,000.

Yet another way to finish rich quick is to not adjust your lifestyle when raises, bonuses, or windfalls come your way. Darrow says when he or his wife received bonuses, it would generally go into their retirement plan and mortgage, which they paid off in less than 10 years. And while the rule of thumb for anyone trying to retire in their 60’s is to invest about 10 to 15% of their annual pay in a retirement account, Darrow was far more aggressive, putting nearly a third of his take-home income into retirement along with bonuses.

If you can’t save any more, consider earning more through an extra revenue stream, specifically for boosting your retirement savings. Darrow created a blog called “Can I Retire Yet,” devoted to early retirement, savings and investing. He doesn’t depend on it as a source of income, but he considers the small ad revenue “fun money” when it shows up.

When it comes to real estate, perhaps the biggest financial decision many of us will ever make, Darrow’s advice is to make the most of the home you have.

“We’re living in the same house we lived in 16 years ago,” he says. “Not only are you not paying to upgrade your house, but you’re not paying the transaction costs of buying another house. It can be $10,000 to $20,000, especially if there’s a move thrown in. I really think its important to stay put if you possibly can and you’re happy where you are.”

And while they’re happy their 21-year-old son is earning a degree, Darrow and his wife refused to compromise their savings or borrow giant loans just to send him to a pricey university. “I told my son he either needed to attend a public university or get a scholarship,” says Darrow. “He did both, which is awesome.”
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QUOTE(beebee @ Oct 1 2012, 03:15 PM)
thanks sifu wong,

well actually my aim was to quickly finish the existing loan and jump to another property, so do you think it is worth to do like this?
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Can i know wats ur purpose of jumping to another prop? For investment purpose? Fliiping or collect rental basis?
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post Oct 5 2012, 12:41 PM

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IMO, there are a lot of ways to achieve financial freedom.

Most can be done by taking small simple steps like having multiple bank accounts for savings, utilities & other expenses, loan repayments and so on.

I believe that the problem with most people nowadays is that they tend to spend more than they earn.Mostly with the usage of credit.

Income are usually fixed but spending are indefinitely varied from month to month.

How to overcome this? Not buy cutting down on spending but instead by spending more.Yes spending more.

What need to be taken into consideration is WHAT you spend it on.Instead of spending more and more on invaluable stuffs with no resale value and other form of liabilities, try to increase spending on assets.Purchase life insurance with endowment policies, purchase a house and rent it to someone else or maybe even purchase gold and silver for the long run.

By purchasing assets, ( which comes in so many various forms and examples that you can easily find in google ) you can increase your sources of income without having to cut on spending. ( Kinda? )
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post Oct 5 2012, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(silentemotion @ Oct 5 2012, 10:55 AM)
Can i know wats ur purpose of jumping to another prop? For investment purpose? Fliiping or collect rental basis?
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it is to collect rental and flipping if the time/price is right smile.gif
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post Oct 5 2012, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(beebee @ Oct 5 2012, 01:57 PM)
it is to collect rental and flipping if the time/price is right  smile.gif
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I think withdraw the epf to pay the current house monthly is a good choice. Then collect rental from another prop. IF the rental is enuf to cover the monthly instalment and yet provide some cash flow, that would be the best.
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QUOTE(silentemotion @ Oct 5 2012, 02:13 PM)
I think withdraw the epf to pay the current house monthly is a good choice. Then collect rental from another prop. IF the rental is enuf to cover the monthly instalment and yet provide some cash flow, that would be the best.
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i was thinking abount withdrawing the epf to pay for the next house as downpayment and use the rental to cover the monthly installment
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QUOTE(beebee @ Oct 5 2012, 04:20 PM)
i was thinking abount withdrawing the epf to pay for the next house as downpayment and use the rental to cover the monthly installment
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if your next house is for rental and flipping, downpayment should be minimal...
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post Oct 6 2012, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(kevinwcm @ Sep 27 2010, 11:45 PM)
Hi all, I am a fresh graduate starting work in pj. I am determined to save up and invest rather than spending it away.

So here is what I got.
-I have a 2.7k salary, with around RM400 allowance, which most of the time will be used up for transportation, since I travel alot.
-I got a car, and won't be changing it, just maintain it.

The question is, how and what should I invest in? Coz I dun believe in putting money in bank, coz the interest rate is way too low. I believe money can generate more money itself. Hope some sifu will gimme some advise! biggrin.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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Hi there! smile.gif it's great that you are a step ahead of wealth creation where you are willing to seek advice and opinions for your future planning. Congrats to you! I'm recently passed my investment linked exam (certified by Bank Negara Malaysia) and working as financial advisor with Buss Consulting. I would love to share my ideas here with you and hope it will help you before you jump to "kamikaze".

When you decide to do investment firstly you need to ask yourself why you wanna do investment and what kind of investment you would love to join? And what do you expect in investment? There can be so many reasons for investment and the MAIN REASON why we invest is; to earn extra money for a better living in future for yourself and family. Am I right?

What kind of investment is the best for you? For me, to be honest, the best investment in life to invest is in your own HEALTH. Why? Because you can't predict the future and you will never know what happen to you tomorrow, next week or next month. 36 critical illness don't wait for you to earn money then attack you, accident can happen anytime and anywhere, and you might just collapse whenever and wherever you are. But are you prepare?

Investment is smart way to make money, but is it smart to use your investment money and benefits to pay off your medical bills instead of using it for yourself and family? Is it smart to invest in property but once you are attack by accident or critical illness you have to sell it all? Same goes to shares investment, bonds, asb, unit trust etc. you can put all your money to invest in all those investment but is it a smart move? Money in and money out is not a smart financial planning. The theory of liabilities and assets explain it all.

One of the seminar I attend recently told me that you can invest as many as investments you would love to and earn like mad but once the "tsunami attack" what happen to your investment? And by tsunami attack I mean critical illness and accident. Definitely you will have to use up your investment money and even sell your property but even that, will it be enough? And investment is a long term planning, you won't immediate get 500k in one or two months and you need a huge amount of cash to start an investment. please be noted, theres no guarantee in investment.

Do you know that main reason of bankruptcy is because of medical bills? (Yes, you can double check with Bank Negara Malaysia and you must at least have 500k in case of emergency as medical bills go up all the time!) And why did bankruptcy happen? Because not everyone even bother to sit and plan and build the foundation, and by foundation I mean preparation for in case or emergency in term of you health as it changes anytime and you have no control over it! this is The most basic thing you have to understand and plan with a proper financial advisor. Because you can have all the investment in the world but it all will be wipe off if you don't sit and plan for your future and build the foundation!
To close up, I have few question to ask you here;

1. Are you prepared in case of "tsunami attack" financially?
2. Do you have immediate 500k in case of emergency? (Critical illness and accident, TPD or even death!)
3. Do you expect your parents, siblings and relatives n friends to pay and support your medical bills?
4. Are you covered by any medical card or insurance?
5. how well you understand your policy and are you aware of the loophole?

Right now you might say that you have no money or time to plan for this, but do you know that is the strongest reason why you should sit down and plan! I believe creating awareness in this sense is so crucial and this is a necessity for us to plan for our future and I can help you in that. Do contact me through my email at feliciachristymaxrie@gmail.com or contact me at 60148917089.

Have a good day. smile.gif


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post Oct 6 2012, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(gloryglory888 @ Sep 7 2012, 10:55 AM)
Wong Sifu,

i read with great interest & i applaud you for sharing your insight & knowledge with the rest of "ignorant" people like me here. I wonder if you could drop few pointers on my situation.
I’m 34 years old, engineering line. 
Drawing  MYR12.5 gross, net ~9k.
After minus all expenditure/insurance/loan etc -  left around 1k for saving.
Asset (cash/stock/FD) ~ 50k. I’m planning to get married early next year, so bye2 to another 10k or so.
I sold my house in JB ( bad decision) & lost money. Supporting siblings financial, parents & even my ex-gf’s hence not much saving ( yes, I’m very generous hehe)
I have 4 insurance policy
Insurance 1 – MYR200 per mth/ 20 yrs (maturity 2018)
Insurance 2 – MYR200 per mth/ (maturity 2018)
Insurance 3 -  MYR100 per mth/ (maturity 2018)
I foresee a return of MYR200k upon maturity in 2018.
All 3 insurance policy above from MICS, supporting my best friend when she was agent back then!
She left some time ago, I have no idea if MCIS will still entertain me if I would like to check the value & possible gain upon maturity of those policies.
But in a way its good cause I don’t really have discipline to save.
Insurance 4 – SGD100 per month / 10 years (maturity 2014), conservative estimation can get MYR50k with 2.5x exchange rate. 
Saving per month not much cause a lot responsibilities, supporting parents, wife to be & lifestyle.
EPF ~ 100k, just started working in Malaysia for the past 3 yrs. All this while in SG no CPF
Credit card debts – 5-6k
Btw, I’m planning to marry my Muslim GF hence I would be eligible to invest in ASB.
I do not know if I should take loan to invest in ASB, I read some said not worth it while some said go for it.
What would be your advice to me on how i could further maximize my gain for future?
many thanks
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You did mentioned about stocks, what stocks is that btw. just curious .. hmm.gif
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hi just wanna ask question not sure where to post, can my friend possible calculate the return of his investment like this :
Purchase price 90k / loan 100%/30years/monthly rm430
Legal fees/misc rm10k+- inc 6 month advance payment, rented out for rm950 p/m
-rm1500 for maintainance and insuran per year
11400-1500=rm9900
9900-5160(430*12)=4740
return is rm4740 p/year
current value= rm -10000 future value with 3% compounding int = rm250k+

thanks alot
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QUOTE(Felicia Christy @ Oct 6 2012, 04:25 PM)
Hi there! smile.gif it's great that you are a step ahead of wealth creation where you are willing to seek advice and opinions for your future planning. Congrats to you! I'm recently passed my investment linked exam (certified by Bank Negara Malaysia) and working as financial advisor with Buss Consulting. I would love to share my ideas here with you and hope it will help you before you jump to "kamikaze".

When you decide to do investment firstly you need to ask yourself why you wanna do investment and what kind of investment you would love to join? And what do you expect in investment? There can be so many reasons for investment and the MAIN REASON why we invest is; to earn extra money for a better living in future for yourself and family. Am I right?

What kind of investment is the best for you? For me, to be honest, the best investment in life to invest is in your own HEALTH. Why? Because you can't predict the future and you will never know what happen to you tomorrow, next week or next month. 36 critical illness don't wait for you to earn money then attack you, accident can happen anytime and anywhere, and you might just collapse whenever and wherever you are. But are you prepare?

Investment is smart way to make money, but is it smart to use your investment money and benefits to pay off your medical bills instead of using it for yourself and family? Is it smart to invest in property but once you are attack by accident or critical illness you have to sell it all? Same goes to shares investment, bonds, asb, unit trust etc. you can put all your money to invest in all those investment but is it a smart move? Money in and money out is not a smart financial planning. The theory of liabilities and assets explain it all.

One of the seminar I attend recently told me that you can invest as many as investments you would love to and earn like mad but once the "tsunami attack" what happen to your investment? And by tsunami attack I mean critical illness and accident. Definitely you will have to use up your investment money and even sell your property but even that, will it be enough? And investment is a long term planning, you won't immediate get 500k in one or two months and you need a huge amount of cash to start an investment. please be noted, theres no guarantee in investment.

Do you know that main reason of bankruptcy is because of medical bills? (Yes, you can double check with Bank Negara Malaysia and you must at least have 500k in case of emergency as medical bills go up all the time!) And why did bankruptcy happen? Because not everyone even bother to sit and plan and build the foundation, and by foundation I mean preparation for in case or emergency in term of you health as it changes anytime and you have no control over it! this is The most basic thing you have to understand and plan with a proper financial advisor. Because you can have all the investment in the world but it all will be wipe off if you don't sit and plan for your future and build the foundation!
To close up, I have few question to ask you here;

1. Are you prepared in case of "tsunami attack" financially?
2. Do you have immediate 500k in case of emergency? (Critical illness and accident, TPD or even death!)
3. Do you expect your parents, siblings and relatives n friends to pay and support your medical bills?
4. Are you covered by any medical card or insurance?
5. how well you understand your policy and are you aware of the loophole?

Right now you might say that you have no money or time to plan for this, but do you know that is the strongest reason why you should sit down and plan! I believe creating awareness in this sense is so crucial and this is a necessity for us to plan for our future and I can help you in that. Do contact me through my email at feliciachristymaxrie@gmail.com or contact me at 60148917089.

Have a good day. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Oct 6 2012, 09:16 PM)
hi just wanna ask question not sure where to post, can my friend possible calculate the return of his investment like this :
Purchase price 90k / loan 100%/30years/monthly rm430
Legal fees/misc rm10k+- inc 6 month advance payment, rented out for rm950 p/m
-rm1500 for maintainance and insuran per year
11400-1500=rm9900
9900-5160(430*12)=4740
return is rm4740 p/year
current value= rm -10000 future value with 3% compounding int = rm250k+

thanks alot
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Bro, maybe it's me only but i really don't understand what "RETURNS" are U trying to calculate?
a. total returns pa compounded / CAGR? eg. xx.xx% pa
b. total returns simple ? eg. xx.xx%
c. simple profit returns? eg $xxx,xxx
OR something else totally?

From data, i gather:
1. Purchase price was $90K dont know when (no date)
2. Financed 100%, monthly RM430
3. S&P + loan legal + setup $10K
4. Please clarify what U meant (3.) includes 6 months' advance payment? advance payment for? not rental right? U are renting it OUT
5. Rental received $950 monthly)
6. Insurance + maintenance $1,500 yearly

Your calc
LINE 1: 11400-1500=rm9900
LINE 2: 9900-5160(430*12)=4740
LINE 3: return is rm4740 p/year
LINE 4: current value= rm -10000 future value with 3% compounding int = rm250k+

Your calc - if i assume it to be:
($950 mthly rental receive *12 mths)
LESS
$1.5k yearly insurance & maintenance
$430 mthly mortgage *12 mths
= $4,740 +ve yearly cash flow
One possible item missing = income tax leh?

Please clarify LINE 4.
Why RM -10000 future value?
Why 3% compounding int?

Bottom line bro - when U ask for assistance in calculation, PLEASE STATE YOUR DATA & ASSUMPTIONS CLEARLY.
Compare your posting with the data & calculation reformatted by me. Easier to absorb and read right? Thus easier for folks to respond easily right rather than to intepret what the heck is posted?

Lousy Question with good Answers = unusable Answers
Clear Question with so-so Answers = at least usable Answers

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Oct 7 2012, 08:54 AM
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post Oct 7 2012, 12:19 PM

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thanks wong, and sorry for not so clear question. your answer make me understand abit
erm, like this
acquire the house for rm90k value using just rm10k
so present value will be -ve10k (money used to acquire) with rm4740 +cash flow p/y for 30 years assuming he does not raise the rent.
the future cash value is 250k with 3% interest accumulating in saving
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Just quickly,

How much should a 24 year old have in his/her savings on average that reflects good financial management so far?




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post Oct 7 2012, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(Beachkid @ Oct 7 2012, 02:01 PM)
Just quickly,

How much should a 24 year old have in his/her savings on average that reflects good financial management so far?
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As "good financial management" is more about KEEPING $. rather than earning and spending $, i'd use a % based benchmark rather than a simple $xxxK benchmark. It's all relative mar, right? If one earns $100K and keeps $80K VS another earns $200K and keeps $100K, the former is considered to be a better financial manager as he/she kept 80% Vs the later's 50%.

Thus, based on "Millionaire Next Door" (or was it his next book, "Stop Acting Rich: ...And Start Living Like A Real Millionaire"), a USA-base book, a "Prodigious Wealth accumulator" NET WORTH should be more than or equal to 20% of TOTAL LIFE (up to now) NET INCOME.
eg.
If i've been working 3 years,
with $100K total NET income,
i should have $20K net worth.

IMHO, in our MY context, personally i think the benchmark for a "Prodigious Wealth accumulator" should have:
NETWORTH >= 20% of TOTAL LIFE (up to now) NET INCOME + TOTAL EPF ACCUMULATED.
eg
Using the same example above for USA, my net worth should be more than or equal to:
$20K + whatever EPF amount i've accumulated

Note - this kind of benchmarking is hell for beginners that have a ton of $ owed as student loan but realistic enough IMHO.
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20% seems quite low to me hmm.gif

Which simply means, to save 20% of one's net income = successful financial management

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