Leo,

Support your SGS leh:
http://www.fonearena.com/blog/23538/smartp...g-galaxy-s.html

Yea, last time it was call Pocket PC OS, then later become Windows Mobile in 2003. Moto come out with MPX100, MPX200 and MPX300; the MPX300 was has the killer techie look, whatever you call it, can flip vertically or horizontally, and that time I think the processor was running only about 200++mhz

Dual Core? Wasn't there a triple core by Marvel? Capable to streaming 3D Full HD?

OS? What OS?
Experience in owning one:
It's a touch-based multimedia/gaming console/device slapped on with Phone function.

Well, just my opinion. I believe many wouldn't even classify it as a smartphone as in computer-like, but a smartphone as in very smart for,... well... put in nice words... simple users.
The good: It virtually can suit any types of users.
The bad: That's it, it's locked to "simple" user level, there's no room for improvement, no moderate or advance feature to turn on if they want. (Note: This is also a very smart strategy/move, go figure...)

Not sure what you mean by use; it's a cross-platform library; I'm no professional or expert, but as these libraries concern, it's whether there will be one available for the OS, just like Java as a cross-platform library. Qt is open-source. Does Google need to pay to support Qt? I'm not sure, but if it's free, I don't see the issue.

Like I said, I'm no professional or expert, but if you're so sure and firm why Google will not support Qt, please help to explain why. Around the web, people are talking about having Qt on Android and also talking about 3rd party porting possibilities; It won't harm to have "extra", unlike Mr. Jobs and it's fans.

http://www.qtcentre.org/threads/33855-Qt-o...wn-effort-in-it

http://qt.gitorious.org/~taipan/qt/android-lighthouse

Btw, the album view on N8 looks like the previous preview on Qt on S60 platform.
Have you installed Qt Examples and Demos on PC? It looks smooth and great.

Honestly, I'm no expert in Qt, but I don't see what's the problem to have Qt support on more platforms? Maybe there is a reason why you think it is not good? Can you share? I curious why "it seems like" you prefer not to have it instead of having it.

http://qt.nokia.com/qt-in-use
"For 15 years, Qt has helped hundreds of thousands of developers and companies:

Develop advanced and highly innovative applications and devices
Cut their development time by nearly 50%.
Deploy 50% faster because of better code maintainability
Reduce their code by more than 50%"

Thanks for the explanation; previously there was a Qt for Java, I think it was called Jambi, but the project seems abandon or something, not sure. For unofficial support, there is ongoing progress Qt port for Android.
http://qt.gitorious.org/~taipan/qt/android-lighthouse

Some people says it's up to Nokia to provide support officially for Android, while some says it's up to Google. Who can do it? Or both can?

As I know, Android also refers to C/C++ libraries right? I think for openGL or many of those libraries?
What about those high end games? Is it written in Java? I think it's more on C/C++?

Anyway, as I know, Qt is also available for Embeded Linux, Mac OSX, Windows, Windows CE/Mobile, etc. So, I suppose, it can be further extend to support more platforms in the future, right?

http://qt.nokia.com/products

Sorry, I don't really catch your meaning of having different version of Qt. As a consumer point of view, I see it as "nice to have", more support, more apps, more developers, etc is better, right?

As for developers, I think they also have more choices, no? I don't know, is Qt a must for every developer to use? I thin developers are still free to choose their own tools and language right? Unless you say, they drop all other support and only support Qt, then I think that's a problem. But having additional support, I think it's good thing? No?

All I can say is, I don't know how good or how bad is Qt, what's it's future; but as a consumer point of view, I think it's "nice to have" and seeing the demo on S60, it looks great and smooth, it makes old Symbian phones runs smoother and faster too. Those Qt based albums, image gallery demoed on old S60 devices, looks great and smooth. As a consumer, I think it's "nice to have" and good improvements. No?

Hm... I think it's hard for us to say right? Suppose if Qt is trying to expand and support more platforms, it "should" extend it's support to as many platform as possible; Android should be "welcome" unlike "troubled" iOS? Just a guess...

For the integration/complication part, I think that's up to them to work it out; Plus, if they are able to support it on Android, many applications/games can be supported across multiple-platform easily, which "should" be a good thing? Like current N8 Qt based apps/games for MeeGo.
Previously I saw in YouTube Intel demo their AppStore, which unlike other appstore which target speficic platform, the Intel AppStore support multiple platform, I suppose it's thanks to Qt?

Anyway, currently there is porting guide/tools available for Android/iOS apps to Qt-based. If so, I think it'll benefit Qt more and expands it further?
Not sure those games on N8 which was also available from iOS, is porting using the above. If yes, does it mean, those games are supported for MeeGo devices as well?

This post has been edited by Andy214: Oct 5 2010, 10:44 AM

Last time there was an article and video, I think it was this:



You got a point there, but what about Java? Isn't there many frameworks developed?
Same goes to .NET isn't it?

Anyway, I think if the case did happen, that is more on the developers and Nokia issue, and how it is being controlled. I think that's one problem with open-source and freedom.

Yes, so Java is also facing similar problems right? That's why I don't get why Qt is any different as the initial posting about having many versions.

Anyway, I'm talking in terms of consumer point of view, Qt is "nice to have", as Intel AppStore going cross-platform. App/games cross-platform across mobile devices that support Qt, like Symbian, MeeGo, Maemo, and even Windows CE/Mobile?
Currently, Java is one of it, but most mobile devices only supports J2ME version; Having additiona support for Qt, in my personal opinion, is a plus points for consumers. I'd like to see cross-platform AppStore as shown by Intel.

Sorry, which part sound obsessed or talking about Nokia. I'm talking about Qt, who cares who owns it. As I have said, I'm no expert, from what I can see, Qt seems good for consumer; Maybe I don't know the details that's why I don't get what you're trying to say.

Anyway, I'm not trying to saying it's the best or anything, I'm just trying to say this is an alternative option available; For developers, it's like having an additional tools/libraries to develop app, whether they want to use it or not, it's up to them.

As a consumer, I sure hope to see cross-platform AppStore; I don't care the details, whether it's Qt or Java or C++, etc. I also don't care which company, Nokia or Google or X company.

Wait for MeeGo Conference in November, probably will be announced.

But still unsure what Nokia first MeeGo will be? Before MeeGo come into picture, Maemo6 is under development, then MeeGo comes into picture, thus Maemo6 is re-branded as MeeGo. So, the first MeeGo device from Nokia will be Maemo6 re-branded?
There was also news that Maemo6 is still using deb packaging system, but MeeGo is using rpm packaging... Not sure about all of this, but one of the developers mentioned for end user, it's doesn't really matter, it's for the developers concern.

Well, let's see how Nokia's first MeeGo turn out; Previous screen capture seems pretty good, but very Android-ish. Lost the Maemo touch.
For me, personally... why so many "similar" OS? From consumer point of view, if it looks like Android, why should the consumer choose MeeGo instead of Android? Android is more stable, famous, and the name sounds way better.

Let's see how it turns out anyway...

For now maybe low end PnS? Unless for phone camera, they provide all sorts of function and manual controls for the user, such as, controls over shutter speed, aperture, etc, as well as manual focus. Is there Aperture Priority or Shutter Priority mode for smartphone camera? If compare these more advance features, smartphone camera still fall behind is compared with higher end PnS, but this are more on software limitation I suppose.

Optical zoom is something that will make smarpthone more bulky; Same goes for going for larger sensors, which those Digital Camera have larger bodies or similar to DSLR body.

Yea, but still not complete features (e.g. still lacking manual adjustment of shutter and aperture); though it unlocks much more control the original software, even extreme ISO which result in heavy noise. What I really like about it is the manual focus which can focus even closer than the original software. Another nice feature is the software take far far better pictures than the original software, it makes the shot looks like it's been edited by professionals. There's also HDR camera app and LowLight camera app, which does the job specificially.

Anyway, as above mentioned, if it's software, many things can be done, just whether N8 will get this kind of features. Since, it already come with better hardwares, the potential is higher just limited by software I suppose...


My worry is actually the lifespan of the battery, let's say 300~500 charge cycle depending on usage, if heavy usage possibly within a year the lifespan reduced, and what's the cost to replace the battery? Watching YouTube, to change the battery, need to dissemble the whole device first and it's pretty "not nice" experience.

Does battery have 1 year warranty? I thought it was 6 months?
Not sure if they cover warranty for "degrade" due to usage, but if it does, then great