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 SC1 pros coming to SC2 (recently JD), KESPA is screwed

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post Sep 27 2010, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 27 2010, 07:06 PM)
marine spam, VR, banshee. meh terran meh.
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hongun jz VRoflstomped clide lol
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post Sep 27 2010, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(Ash @ Sep 27 2010, 09:44 PM)
Haha you got intotherainbow and little bit confused with intotherain here . They both used to be protoss in SC1 and were good in their era, however intotherain retired a lot earlier than intotherainbow
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edit: my bad intotherainbow is intotherain's apprentice

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post Sep 28 2010, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 27 2010, 11:23 PM)
Well i have to disagree Nada was a top player during brood war prime hence seeing him in the state now which he's only used when needed  and merely as a back up player for we made fox team is sad ,So the news of him going to SC2 is definitely a surplus rather than a deficit . Besides that having july (fantaprime nick in sc2 )and nada in sc2 only makes my heart cringe because finally we get to see some KOREAN POWER unleashed in sc2 rather than foreigners. There are rumors that the legendary King of terran aka Slayers Boxer may be making the switch too .Kespa's not screwed but I am happy for an Old bw fan like because I am able to see these once feared pro gamer rise in to the scene again with his fast hands and god like micro . Long live BW
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well he is the team leader of wemadefox actually and he was earning 6 figures per year before quiting for sc2 (gotta admire his guts for that)...
he is already top20 in the korean ladder btw...
kespa is screwed when they tried to rip off blizz's IP which backfired...

as for old sc1btw pros, we have rainbow already rocking over here =p
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post Sep 28 2010, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 06:07 PM)
Well six figures yes but i guess he still can be called an image of what resemble we made fox and if you check his ranking in team liquid he isn't at the top ranking any more like he use to be as stated in here http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players it merely shows his ELO rating (his previous points collected ) which never changes through time but if nada were to be put out into the fray with the young guns he cant make it as they are much faster and meaner obviously many out there will tear him apart as the top ace from KT (FLAsh ) Hwazeun Oz  (Jaedong ) and many more could out gunned him easily. Besides all that like i said in my previous post its a good news for NAda .

Kespa isn't screwed for that i know because as a striving Non profit organization which actually cared about their players and provide at least a reasonable pay cheque for the Pro league players they have actually done a good job in making Broodwar an E SPORT event with all their fundings and Companies sponsorship .

Kespa isn't the one who stole Blizzard IP it actually promoted Starcraft to where it stands now as a recognized e sport game that is very competitive to its very core in Korea . Without kespa there will be no Proleagues , no competition and no organization that actually provide a basics needs and fund to keep our Brood war pro's from going out of hunger. Blizzard in all its greediness as its stand now has fallen beyond the reasonable standard of a company that actually is trying to promote a good game (SC2) using dirty tricks such as trying to take over all Kespa rights to air time for their pro league tournament and not only that advertising illegally on buildings to promote sc2 .

Blizzards has change its no longer a company that actually cares to produce a game that actually brings out the fun anymore just look at starcraft 1 when it was released there were no dirty tricks use in it's marketing regime .We all do know that Gretech is a counter part or a silhouette shadow of blizzards trying to do all its might in destroying SC : BW but as long KESPA is there BW would continue to flourish as It's quite painful for me to know that the game I love from such a long time ago since standard 6 (Bw my second game ) be destroyed and going to youtube to find that there is no more pro league any more . Finally my take on the situation I am definitely in support of Kespa as I still want to see proleague and BW to continue its legacy .

Yes about rainbow and fantaprime ( july ) its good news ^^.
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seriously wut with ppl dissing nada cause he dun play so much anymore or is as good as he was (as though past his prime, he is non-existence by some of the comments here)?
nada was an icon to scbw when it was in its prime thus having such a fat paycheck (and a team lead) even when he is not playing much...
and him coming over to sc2 is a really big blow to kespa (especially after the whole kespa drama from IEM where they pulled nada off his showmatch as they were afraid koreans would see nada playing sc2)...

and since when is kespa non-profit?
they are a NGO under the sports ministry...
for them to try and challenge blizzard over blizzard's own ip rights is pretty screwed up...
they tried to steal it and failed as ip rights is one of the highest protected rights...
those in the IT field would know wut a big issue it would be when some1 is trying to claim rights to ur own IP...

and scbw is a good profit sport which is why kespa is worried to loose it since they dun have rights to sc2...
if all they care is esport and not profit, they would have supported sc2 lol
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post Sep 28 2010, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 06:21 PM)
there's a difference between a non-profit organization (like wikipedia) and a non-government organization (NGO) as NGO gets funding from the government LOL
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post Sep 28 2010, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 06:33 PM)
Do you think they would want to stop pro league and destroy its construction of the scene and jump on to sc2 ?
They did not challenge blizzard they are just negotiating between them over the screening time of the games blizzards wants to take the prime slot of BW which is to kespa isn't possible at all cost.Show me a proof that Kespa is actually trying to acquire Blizzards IP  if that is what you were saying .

Exactly SC BW is the soul of Korea I don't think any one with a right mind would want to take off a sport which has been existing and money gobbling for 12 years hence no way Kespa is going to let go of BW.


Added on September 28, 2010, 6:38 pm

Kespa is funded by the Minister of cultural hence it isn't a body which sets up to be like other profitable organization. According to wiki definition of an NGO  this does qualifies KESPA as a NGO as per requested by you to look at the definition .

This thread says it all to all who thinks Kespa is a money making monster....
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=128517
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NPO have no links to the government and is usually on a larger scale...
as me (and quaz) said kespa is a NGO not a NPO as u claimed (and as u wiki-linked)...
NPO are self sustained unlike NGO and are usually without backing except by users/ sponsors...
there's a big difference between NGO and NPO...
and NGO can also be profit driven as the government help to provide funds (up to a certain amount) but does not dictate what would the funds be used for (even if for profit)...
if u want some example look at malaysia's FELDA with their own holdings etc...
they can be profit driven...

about the blizzard ip " KeSPA argueethat e-sports are like other sports such as basketball and soccer, and we don't pay money to the creator of the soccer ball for soccer games. Starcraft is for the public use like the soccer ball."

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post Sep 28 2010, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 07:23 PM)
Blizzard Responds to the Non-Disclosure Agreement

While KeSPA has claimed that a NDA agreement does not exist, arguing that "KeSPA has never agreed to a NDA with Blizzard, and only kept the contents silent due to respect", and added "Blizzard criticizes KeSPA for breaking the NDA, but if there was an NDA, please reveal it to the public".

Upon investigation, it was confirmed that KeSPA and Blizzard did sign a NDA agreement, signed by the previous Chairman of KeSPA. It is the situation where Blizzard owns the actual NDA document."

A Blizzard Korea official stated that "We have NDA agreements even when we have press conferences. It makes no sense that we didn't have an NDA on such an important negotiation. We have NDA documents signed by the previous KeSPA chairman "

Source: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?i...47&category=102

the whole kespa is screwed part as i said is the IP rights issue...
i dun see how kespa is non-profit when they are selling broadcasting rights using blizz's IP to "get $$$ to reinvest into the sport"


Added on September 28, 2010, 7:35 pm
QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 28 2010, 07:31 PM)
that is a Q&A panel that can be sugar coated by kespa PR people. until theres more solid information such as TL wiki page, or wiki page, or information from korean govt, or their financial information, kespa can say ANYTHING they want to make themselves pretty in front of their fans.
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QnA made by kespa is lol...
read the NDA which i've posted from the same link provided...
this shows u how untrustable kespa is alone...

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post Sep 28 2010, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(Tsumi @ Sep 28 2010, 07:34 PM)
There are rumors on Team Liquid that Proleague might be starting on October 16th 2010. Fingers cross on this one.

By the way, here is something to all of you SC II'ers: Rumor has it that Boxer is playing SC II casually and goes by the name "ManofOneway" with a winning rate of 65%. That's a pretty ridiculous nick-name but you gotta love boxer if it is indeed true!
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during beta, his frens were confirmed to be playing the game and they did mention that boxer seemed interested in it but no news about it still...
i highly doubt so atm...


Added on September 28, 2010, 7:39 pm
QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 07:36 PM)
I for my honest believe that the Q&A was definitely it's truth despite of there chances of it being a money leeching organization thats the only source I currently was able to dig up and there's no 100% guarantee that any NGO Or NPO will be as it says that sticks to its ideal or what its PR speech maybe . I possibly have done all my can to say that Kespa is not as it what it seems as you all painted it to be a body that is trying to limit SC2 from growing and trying to steal the ip from blizzard . Guess these would be the last time of me replying to this thread as people believe that in order for sc2 to succeed bw mush be abolished from the scene of the earth.
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tell us how is kespa not trying to steal blizz's IP when they are selling broadcasting rights of blizz's game when they are not suppose to according to the NDA?
regardless of the purpose, their mean is still and as i said IP issue is a big issue for IT people...

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post Sep 28 2010, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(Laguna @ Sep 28 2010, 07:57 PM)
It is merely hypothetical I am suggesting they are corrupt but the possibility of them being not is quite high mind you no other pro gamers in the world earn as much as those who participated in sc bw tournament . Have there been any pro gamer in fps genre or any game genre earn as much as slayer boxer during his prime 1million won ? Being a pro gamer in Korea is a big issue and it's recognize as an occupation . Well you can stick to your sc2 and all your believes but what I am trying to say is that its not fair for Blizzard to come in and grab all the credentials just to ensure that's its bankrupt half baked game to be considered as an esport . When the original SC 1 came out it had already the option to choose 3 race to be played be it in the campaign or multiplayer and it wasn't completed and had a lot of flaws  but with the expansion pack BW it made sc a much MORE balance game . I am not biased in any way what's disturbing me is that in order for succeed BW Must die for SC2 to be noticeable hence killing my proleague players of earning their bowl of soup of the day . Kespa has done a freaking good job in my book for it to bring e sports to this level of international awe to everyone to look back wards and say yeah at least e sport had its respect or closely made its popularity to a real SPORT .
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well these players could actually go into sc2...
we seen sc1 pros doing well (even sub-sc1 pros)...
ITR just made it to the semis just now of the GSL...

no doubt kespa did a good job but they started to think themselves as high and mighty...
in the end of the day, there needs to be a balance of power...
sc2 is doing very very well internationally...
wut is e-sport when its confined to korea only?
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post Sep 28 2010, 09:24 PM

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the IP negotiations has restarted and the pro-league mgiht go on
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=156559
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post Sep 29 2010, 05:06 PM

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http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1531836/1/ManofOneway/

boxer's sc2 ID...
confirmed by TL
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post Oct 5 2010, 09:34 PM

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=157873

JD would be switching to sc2 soon

 

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