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post Oct 19 2010, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(kenneth_koo @ Oct 19 2010, 02:27 PM)

I have to admit to my fault for not performing a thorough background search of the breeder before getting the pup from him, but let bygones be bygones.

I do have to note though that Teddy was diagnosed with parasite that was caused by ticks as explained by the vet on the 2nd week. The doc gave him antibiotics and Teddy was as strong as a bull since.

I know there will an incubation period of 1~2 weeks when a puppy picks up a certain virus, correct me if i am wrong. Teddy has been with us for 2 months now, everything is fine except for the occasional sneeze that drives my girlfriend in panic mode(is it ok?). I would like to know can i safely assume that Teddy is the lucky few that was able to avoid the deadly viruses from the breeder or is there anything i need to do? Is a full medical checkup necessary?

My girlfriend is really shaken up by the news, worrying that Teddy might end up like the other unlucky puppies. I really hope to hear from opinions from you guys. Thanks
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Don't panic. Both Parvo and Distemper have an incubation period of much less than 2 months so you are safe on that end of things.
Make sure you feed him a really good quality food and give him nutritional supplement (nutri-cal, nutri-gel, puppy paste) until he is 6months old to ensure he gets the best chance to grow right (most bad breeders will use very very crappy food so giving them the best you can to make up for any potential lack of nutrition in early life).

I'm glad that you were lucky, as you have had such a close call and experienced the panic (if thankfully not the heartbreak) of having a puppy from a less than reputable source keep spreading the word about negligent breeders. If your friends are considering getting a dog help them understand what makes a good breeder.
What parasite did the vet find? Are you sure it was antibiotics he prescribed? or was it an anti-fungal/anti-parasitic was it a worm of some kind? Ticks are dangerous, especially for small pups, i'm guessing he doesn't have any now.

What is his sneezing like? Is it like a sneeze when we get dust in our nose, a cough like if we have a cold or a strange 'honking' sound coming from the throat. Did you let the vet know about it? It could possibly be a mild kennel cough which will go away on its own as long as you use a nutritional supplement and keep him warm and dry as much as possible.

Let your girlfriend know that Teddy should be fine. Anything he could have possibly picked up from the breeder's place would have shown itself by now. Observe him (which you should do from a dog from anywhere) for signs of diarrhea, lethargy or otherwise not acting himself and consult a vet if you are worried. If you have a vet that you trust and always go to you can call them up anytime you are worried and they will be able to tell you if you need to pay them a visit or if it is nothing to worry about smile.gif.

As a side note. If you don't mind spending the money, it is a good idea to get a full check up for your dog once a year.
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post Oct 19 2010, 03:50 PM

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Thanks Divas for your swift reply,

I am currently giving Teddy dog kibbles from Brit but switching over to Artemis soon. I believe both of these kibbles are good food but of cause Artemis would be the better of the two. Is supplements necessary because I don't really know much about dog supplements at the moment. Are the supplements used for general well-being or are there specific supplement for specific needs.

I am very glad that I did not recommend any of my friends to the breeder. I have to say he was rather friendly when i first approach him, I guess all good/bad breeders would be nice at FIRST. Regarding the parasite, I forgot the exact names but i wrote it down somewhere at home, will post it up later. The parasite was found after doing a blood smear for Teddy, actually there were two types of parasites found in Teddy's blood. I think one of it was babesiosis and the other i forgot. It seems like one of the parasite was considered rather dangerous while the other not so.

Only oral medication was provided for Teddy in the form of antibiotics, I am pretty sure it was antibiotics. Again i have to check the name for the antibiotics but the vet mentioned that the given medication was the best in the market. The doc did mention that the medication would stain Teddy's teeth, which seem to be the only downside of the medicine.

Teddy is now tick flea after using Frontline and constant look out for ticks on his body.

About his sneezing, i am sure it is not reverse sneezing but it is more like how a human would sneeze. When Teddy sneezes it would usually be single sneeze of one time or continuously up to 3~4 times. This doesn't happen all the time, only occasionally. Is this a sign of allergy or just Teddy trying to remove foreign object from his nose?

I believe my girlfriend would be on a constant look out for any symptoms from today onwards, which i believe is good. That was how we found out about the tick parasite in the first place since he became less active all of a sudden. It was lucky we had the doc do a blood smear before proceeding to give Teddy his vaccine jab, or else it would be very stressful for Teddy if he took the jab.

Once again, thank you Divas for your precious info and suggestions. Will keep everyone informed if anything were to come up =)
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post Oct 19 2010, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(phonefinder @ Oct 19 2010, 01:11 AM)
hi thx for the reply. the puppy is approximately 2month or less. They say the puppy still very small, so ask me bring back on this fri for first vaccination.not sure about deworm, will comfirm with them tomorrow. how to say it's dewormed? by injection?


Added on October 19, 2010, 1:17 am
hi suzannetan, they bath my puppy on last thursday.can i use wet warm cloth to clean the puppy's fur everyday? Oh ya how come my puppy like very moody leh?always lie on the floor, not really want to play with me , is it still small or it haven't close with me?how much food should i give to my puppy per day?
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Right like what Divas said, puppy shouldn't have left their mum before 2 months old, that's the time where they still need the nutrient from the mother's milk and also at time of learning and being around with the siblings etc. There's no such things as too small, which I've never heard or read anywhere before which vaccine can't be taken, my girl took her first jab when she's 5 weeks nearing 6 week old, I bought her when she's 7 days old but a responsible breeder will take care of her until 2 months at least.

Actually it's not required to wipe her fur everyday if she stay at home she's not really dirty anyhow? Their skin and fur is made to keep them clean, they're not like human needing to bath everyday. If you wipe her and she's wet, she may get a cold. It's better that you just bath her after a week with warm water and please do blow her dry (do this indoor).

Most of the things were taught by my breeder, he gave me at least half an hour talk before I brought my girl home. The pet shop didn't tell u much about taking care portion?

She's tired or not interested to play may be due to few reasons. 1 new home she's not use to being separate with the mother and siblings. 2 monitor her, if she's always like that check her stools and other sign if she's sick. If yes, send to the vet immediately and not to the shop (bcos the way you describe seems like they're not quite responsible). Normally poodles are very active breed, they love to play and jump around.

but still my opinion is to send her to get a jab asap and not delay, delaying 1 day or even 1 second meaning she's living without proper immunity. Sorry not to scare you but if you do read, many such cases happened or happening ..


Added on October 19, 2010, 11:53 pm
QUOTE(kenneth_koo @ Oct 19 2010, 02:27 PM)
Good day everyone,

I was informed of some bad news this morning by my girlfriend, apparently my toy poodle, Teddy that i got 2 months ago was from a blacklisted breeder in petfinder.com. There has been many cases where newly purchased pups are diagnosed with parvo or distemper virus few days into ownership and not many has able to fight the deadly virus. The breeder goes by the nick name Cylos Siang or QQpoodles, I believe most of you might have heard of him.

I have to admit to my fault for not performing a thorough background search of the breeder before getting the pup from him, but let bygones be bygones.

The good news is that 2 months has gone by and Teddy is doing fine, appetite is good, energy level is high and everything seems to be good. I do have to note though that Teddy was diagnosed with parasite that was caused by ticks as explained by the vet on the 2nd week. The doc gave him antibiotics and Teddy was as strong as a bull since.

After reading all the bad reviews and all the diseases that seem to be associated with this particular breeder, my girlfriend is in constant worry since.

I know there will an incubation period of 1~2 weeks when a puppy picks up a certain virus, correct me if i am wrong. Teddy has been with us for 2 months now, everything is fine except for the occasional sneeze that drives my girlfriend in panic mode(is it ok?). I would like to know can i safely assume that Teddy is the lucky few that was able to avoid the deadly viruses from the breeder or is there anything i need to do? Is a full medical checkup necessary?

My girlfriend is really shaken up by the news, worrying that Teddy might end up like the other unlucky puppies. I really hope to hear from opinions from you guys. Thanks
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2 months should be enough, but just wait until he completely finish the 3 jabs and after a week. Don't worry too much, Teddy may just be the lucky one and strong one among them, that's why he's living until today or down the road if 15years or so smile.gif
My girl do sneeze once a while too but not too often, I think that's ok.

Nowadays too many of these irresponsible breeder and seller, they do anything just to earn money without caring about quality and the live of the little ones. Just yesterday I saw in SS2 pasar malam, these couple brought 4 poodles with them and trying to sell and keep saying "We got all kinds of colours and breed, tell me what you want I can give you..."

I was like WTH, you human in pasar malam also you felt HOT enough, how about those poodle with thick fur coats and keeping them in the cage at the roadside? They shouldn't be brought out at all, when they're still so young. Whilst this seller let everyone that passes by touch the poodle, imagine Aunty hands' pick fish, vege, fruits and etc, how dirty is their hand ...

They're another one of those irresponsible ppl, don't know what's wrong with the attitude of the society these days ...

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post Oct 20 2010, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(kenneth_koo @ Oct 19 2010, 03:50 PM)
Thanks Divas for your swift reply,

I am currently giving Teddy dog kibbles from Brit but switching over to Artemis soon. I believe both of these kibbles are good food but of cause Artemis would be the better of the two. Is supplements necessary because I don't really know much about dog supplements at the moment. Are the supplements used for general well-being or are there specific supplement for specific needs.

I am very glad that I did not recommend any of my friends to the breeder. I have to say he was rather friendly when i first approach him, I guess all good/bad breeders would be nice at FIRST. Regarding the parasite, I forgot the exact names but i wrote it down somewhere at home, will post it up later. The parasite was found after doing a blood smear for Teddy, actually there were two types of parasites found in Teddy's blood. I think one of it was babesiosis and the other i forgot. It seems like one of the parasite was considered rather dangerous while the other not so.

Only oral medication was provided for Teddy in the form of antibiotics, I am pretty sure it was antibiotics. Again i have to check the name for the antibiotics but the vet mentioned that the given medication was the best in the market. The doc did mention that the medication would stain Teddy's teeth, which seem to be the only downside of the medicine.

Teddy is now tick flea after using Frontline and constant look out for ticks on his body.

About his sneezing, i am sure it is not reverse sneezing but it is more like how a human would sneeze. When Teddy sneezes it would usually be single sneeze of one time or continuously up to 3~4 times. This doesn't happen all the time, only occasionally. Is this a sign of allergy or just Teddy trying to remove foreign object from his nose?

I believe my girlfriend would be on a constant look out for any symptoms from today onwards, which i believe is good. That was how we found out about the tick parasite in the first place since he became less active all of a sudden. It was lucky we had the doc do a blood smear before proceeding to give Teddy his vaccine jab, or else it would be very stressful for Teddy if he took the jab.

Once again, thank you Divas for your precious info and suggestions. Will keep everyone informed if anything were to come up =)
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Artemis is good I guess you can opt for that brand. My princess at home eats home cook meal specially made for her and mix with kibbles tongue.gif
Supplements is necessary to up keep the skin, fur coat, teeth, bones etc For instance I'm feeding My Beau for her maintain her fur coat and skin, so far works well, the fur coat turns out to be kinda shinny. Also feeding another multi vitamin in tablets which is for her teeth and bones.

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post Oct 20 2010, 12:04 AM

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yaya~puppy should stay with their mom at least 2months~their body cannot produce antibiotic because they are too young and depend on their mother milks for that..leaving their mother too soon may cause many infections(touch wood)..
go to a vet and get ur pup check up and get the 1st jabs~
do not bring her out/meet with other animals until she finished her 3rd jabs~
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post Oct 20 2010, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(z_koon @ Oct 20 2010, 12:04 AM)
yaya~puppy should stay with their mom at least 2months~their body cannot produce antibiotic because they are too young and depend on their mother milks for that..leaving their mother too soon may cause many infections(touch wood)..
go to a vet and get ur pup check up and get the 1st jabs~
do not bring her out/meet with other animals until she finished her 3rd jabs~
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This shop pxtmxre always sell puppy that's less than 2 months old sweat.gif
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post Oct 20 2010, 12:49 AM

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oh ya 1 thing i forgot to ask you guys.. my puppy always bark at nite leh..make me can't sleep. i lokap him in cage,but if no lokap then he won't bark. should i care him or just let him bark? feel like he dont like to slp in cage but no choice..
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post Oct 20 2010, 12:53 AM

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thank you very much for all the information provided. Will get Teddy some supplement later, after i do some research of my own. =) Really hoping Teddy is the lucky one. thanks once again for all the help guys. Appreciate it
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post Oct 20 2010, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(phonefinder @ Oct 20 2010, 12:49 AM)
oh ya 1 thing i forgot to ask you guys.. my puppy always bark at nite leh..make me can't sleep. i lokap him in cage,but if no lokap then he won't bark. should i care him or just let him bark? feel like he dont like to slp in cage but no choice..
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Sorry your puppy is a male or female? I'm always thinking if I should type he/she LOL
He bark is because he wants your attention, and everytime you layan him he's gonna continue because he know that trick of barking works and you having obey to him which is not good. I would say if you can tahan or your neighbours etc don't complain, if can just let him be, he will naturally stop once he know barking don't work. Btw where is the cage? Near you or somewhere outside/backyard etc?

Depends on you if you want to keep him in cage or how.. if he still don't know how to pee and poo, it's best you keep him inside at night or u may have a mess in the morning. Cage doesn't work for my girl she'll whine big time (I spoiled her very much, comply to her every time, bad example of me, don't learn tongue.gif) in the end I put her in playpen and she stopped barking ever since then .. now cage/playpen practically useless, she's free to go wherever she wants.

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post Oct 20 2010, 04:37 PM

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few week din come here liao....
i just bought a new bed for my happy zai, due to his current bed cannot fit him liao.....
bought this bed at anaku baby shop...

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Added on October 20, 2010, 4:39 pm
QUOTE(suzannetan @ Oct 20 2010, 01:01 AM)
Sorry your puppy is a male or female? I'm always thinking if I should type he/she LOL
He bark is because he wants your attention, and everytime you layan him he's gonna continue because he know that trick of barking works and you having obey to him which is not good. I would say if you can tahan or your neighbours etc don't complain, if can just let him be, he will naturally stop once he know barking don't work. Btw where is the cage? Near you or somewhere outside/backyard etc?

Depends on you if you want to keep him in cage or how.. if he still don't know how to pee and poo, it's best you keep him inside at night or u may have a mess in the morning. Cage doesn't work for my girl she'll whine big time (I spoiled her very much, comply to her every time, bad example of me, don't learn tongue.gif) in the end I put her in playpen and she stopped barking ever since then .. now cage/playpen practically useless, she's free to go wherever she wants.
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my happy zai hor very very seldom bark.....sometime will just hear him bark mayb twice a month ....he just know how to do those pitty sound or cry to make our attention..

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post Oct 20 2010, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(840812145195 @ Oct 20 2010, 04:37 PM)
few week din come here liao....
i just bought a new bed for my happy zai, due to his current bed cannot fit him liao.....
bought this bed at anaku baby shop...

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Added on October 20, 2010, 4:39 pm
my happy zai hor very very seldom bark.....sometime will just hear him bark mayb twice a month ....he just know how to do those pitty sound or cry to make our attention..
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Happy is a toy or miniature? Grows really fast ... rclxms.gif
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post Oct 20 2010, 10:51 PM

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is a toy ....but look like miniature.......
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post Oct 20 2010, 11:15 PM

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i think happy zai is toy size but have long legs~if he's shoulder hieght under 10" then is still consider toy~
puppy grow alot during 3 to 6 months old~ then will grow slower after 6 minths old~
i think happy zai will stay that size ad~mayb will grow fat only~haha^^
my girl is maintain same size after 6 months old~
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post Oct 20 2010, 11:35 PM

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yaloh ...now his body oledi bcome long liao , compare to 3 month b4 ....haha
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post Oct 21 2010, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(840812145195 @ Oct 20 2010, 11:35 PM)
yaloh ...now his body oledi bcome long liao , compare to 3 month b4 ....haha
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my girl also like that~suddenly grow so fast~i was shocked and i thought i kena tipu by the seller~ sweat.gif
no matter wat size she is, i like the way she was~at least she is healthy and happy~

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post Oct 21 2010, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(z_koon @ Oct 21 2010, 12:50 AM)
my girl also like that~suddenly grow so fast~i was shocked and i thought i kena tipu by the seller~ sweat.gif
no matter wat size she is, i like the way she was~at least she is healthy and happy~
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agree wat you say ...


Added on October 21, 2010, 1:57 pmhi guys n gals here , just wanna check with you , how long period u all get mka cert after purchase ur baby..

cos happy zai de mka cert also not yet ready to coolect , the pet shop told us need to spend around 6 month to got it ...

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post Oct 21 2010, 03:38 PM

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not so long gua.. X_X


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QUOTE(vasalis @ Oct 21 2010, 03:38 PM)
not so long gua.. X_X
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ya wor ...my dog born at 30/5/10 , then i buy him from petshop at 19/7/10....then they told me minimum 6 month to get the cert loh ..hmmmm
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post Oct 21 2010, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(840812145195 @ Oct 21 2010, 04:18 PM)
ya wor ...my dog born at 30/5/10 , then i buy him from petshop at 19/7/10....then they told me minimum 6 month to get the cert loh ..hmmmm
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Did they say 'in six months' or 'when he is 6months'.
It is quite normal for the certs to arrive when the dog is 6 months old as it takes them a few months to process it.


Added on October 21, 2010, 4:29 pmAlso as a side note. From my calculations you bought your dog at 7weeks old which is a bit young really. Puppies should stay with their mother and litter until at least 8 weeks to learn some pretty important stuff.

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QUOTE(Divas @ Oct 21 2010, 04:25 PM)
Did they say 'in six months' or 'when he is 6months'.
It is quite normal for the certs to arrive when the dog is 6 months old as it takes them a few months to process it.


Added on October 21, 2010, 4:29 pmAlso as a side note. From my calculations you bought your dog at 7weeks old which is a bit young really. Puppies should stay with their mother and litter until at least 8 weeks to learn some pretty important stuff.
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thanks for ur advise, i am check with mka now ...

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