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TSpapamia
post Aug 28 2010, 12:24 PM, updated 16y ago

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I found this article from a facebook page.


Ode to the Nice Guys

This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and b****ing about what assholes guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.


This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.


This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in Smashies to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious” between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!” And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.


But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.

And another one.

Why "Nice Guys" are often such LOSERS

You hear it all the time: "He was such a NICE Guy, and she's such a Heartless b**** for dumping him."

I get letters from self-professed Nice Guys, complaining that women must WANT to be treated like shit, because THEY, the "Nice Guy" have failed repeatedly in relationships. This is akin to the false logic that "Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea."

If you have one bad relationship after another, the only common denominator is YOU. Think about it.

What's wrong with Nice Guys? The biggest problem is that most Nice Guys ™ are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simply pleasure of giving. You never know if a Nice Guy really likes you for who you are, or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him.

Nice Guys exude insecurity -- a big red target for the predators of the world. There are women out there who are "users" -- just looking for a sucker to take advantage of. Users home-in on "Nice Guys", stroke their egos, take them for a ride, add a notch to their belts, and move on. It's no wonder so many Nice Guys complain about women being horrible, when the so often the kind of woman that gets attracted to them is the lowest form of life...

Self-confident, caring, decent-hearted women find "Nice Guys" to be too clingy, self-abasing, and insecure.

Nice Guys go overboard. They bring roses to a "lets get together for coffee" date. They try to buy her affections with presents and fancy things. They think they know about romance, but their timing is all wrong, and they either come-on too strong, too hard and too fast, OR, they are so shy and unassertive, that they hang around pretending to be "friends", in the hope that somehow, someway, they will get the courage up to ask her out for a "date".

They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs, and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them.

They cling to her, and want to be "one" with her for fear that if she is out of sight, she may disappear or become attracted to someone else. A Nice Guy often has trouble with emotional intimacy, because he believes that if she learns about the REAL person inside, she will no longer love him.

Nice Guys are always asking HER to make the decisions. They think it's being equitable, but it puts an unfair burden of responsibility on her, and gives him the opportunity to blame her if the decision was an unwise one.

Nice Guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of comprimising and negotiating, they repeatedly "give in". When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that, "Everything I did, I did for her.", as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner.

Nice Guys think that they will never meet anyone as special as she is. They use their adoration as a foundation for claiming that "no one will ever love her as much as I do." Instead of being a profound statement of their devotion, this is a subtle, but nasty insult. It is akin to saying to her: "You are a difficult person, and only *I* can ever truly love you, so be thankful I'm here."

The nice guy -needs- to believe that he is the best person for the object of his desires, because otherwise his insecurities will overrun him with jealousies and fear. The truth of the matter is that there are many people out there who can be a good match for her. We rarely stop loving people we truly care about. Even if we no longer continue the relationship, the feelings will continue... But love isn't mutually exclusive. We can (and do) love many people in our lives, and romantic love is really no different. Though he may love her immensely, there will likely be other people who have loved her just as much in her past, and will love her just as much in the future. The irony of it all is: "Who would want to go out with someone who was inherintly unlovable anyways?"

More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip!

Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are "helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results.

This ultimately boils down to the fact that Nice Guys don't like themselves. Is it any wonder women don't like them? In order to truly love someone else, you must first love yourself. Too often Nice Guys mistake obsession for "love".

Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF.

You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible.



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post Aug 28 2010, 01:17 PM

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Very nice to read..both articles can be somewhat related to what im doing right now.. its time to wake up i guess
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post Aug 28 2010, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(bleu_huh @ Aug 28 2010, 01:17 PM)
Very nice to read..both articles can be somewhat related to what im doing right now.. its time to wake up i guess
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From what I've experienced, if this is your first time. No matter how many times you read this article, you're gonna do the same thing and fail like many others. Experience wins hands on. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 28 2010, 04:38 PM

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Thats why NO MORE mr nice guy from me..
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post Aug 28 2010, 05:49 PM

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Good read.
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post Aug 28 2010, 05:58 PM

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one thing this article didn't clarify is the fact that mr nice guys absolutely love to live in denial.
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QUOTE(Evangelistica @ Aug 28 2010, 05:38 PM)
Thats why NO MORE mr nice guy from me..
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+1

Totally support @Evangelistica statement. Gals like bad boy(at least in some sense), guys... be yourself, dun ever be doormat. Attract girls with ur real personality, not be person which are not you.

Guys life is interesting, not only just relationship, there is lots of thing to concentrate then just relationship. Love is two ways, so don't blindly keep giving your care & love. You will end up complain & miserable.

I gonna admit I make the mistake as TS statement. (Mr Nice guys failure) Time to change, the sky are big, there is many nice girls out there, relationship is not about who is putting more effort, but both equally maintaining it.
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post Aug 28 2010, 07:44 PM

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mr nice guy only after engagement, anything b4 dat... bad boy or a man like steven seagal
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post Aug 28 2010, 08:08 PM

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Being nice guy always got bully from smart n cheeky girls..
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post Aug 28 2010, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(ymc2303 @ Aug 28 2010, 08:08 PM)
Being nice guy always got bully from smart n cheeky girls..
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this is true
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post Aug 28 2010, 08:26 PM

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padan muka la, siapa suruh percaya whatever that's shown on tv n filem
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post Aug 28 2010, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(ymc2303 @ Aug 28 2010, 08:08 PM)
Being nice guy always got bully from smart n cheeky girls..
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smart and cheeky girls? hmm.gif

I use smart and cheeky for my dog only unsure.gif
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post Aug 28 2010, 11:48 PM

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very very good article. really remind me not to make the 'nice guy' mistake.
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post Aug 29 2010, 12:14 AM

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I was once, but then i try to refrain myself from being : )
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post Aug 29 2010, 01:29 AM

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Nice guy = winrar
"nice" guy = loser

Know the difference smile.gif
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post Aug 29 2010, 01:50 AM

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After a read i think i'll will forget what i've read. So just be myself.
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post Aug 29 2010, 03:37 AM

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From me: The article is very very good! But there are flaws to it.

Don't buy this b*llsh*t of just be yourself:

You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible.

I want to correct it, it's not entirely wrong but it's giving some wrong impression (I saw it from some replies, you guys are ought to be slapped).

Corrected:

Please don't be yourself! Yourself the nice guy floor rug? Don't be just yourself. Just don't be a f**king giver. Chivalry is encouraged but not this -> nice. Delete it from your memory what is nice. Ever! Thanks for reading this.


QUOTE(Evangelistica @ Aug 28 2010, 04:38 PM)
Thats why NO MORE mr nice guy from me..
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+1000! Yeah mesti mau not nice! Assalamualaikum evangelistica biggrin.gif
QUOTE(Kinci @ Aug 28 2010, 05:49 PM)
Good read.
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+1 couldn't agree more.
QUOTE(C-Fu @ Aug 28 2010, 05:58 PM)
one thing this article didn't clarify is the fact that mr nice guys absolutely love to live in denial.
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Hmm, C-Fu really sifu! In CC we call them boneheads after we advice give up being a floormat and they still want to be nice guys.. Frustrating! Best example is the one guy who still want to cater to his princess after being verbally abused by his lovely princess..
QUOTE(jacktai @ Aug 28 2010, 07:08 PM)
Totally support @Evangelistica statement. Gals like bad boy(at least in some sense), guys... be yourself, dun ever be doormat. Attract girls with ur real personality, not be person which are not you.

Guys life is interesting, not only just relationship, there is lots of thing to concentrate then just relationship. Love is two ways, so don't blindly keep giving your care & love. You will end up complain & miserable.

I gonna admit I make the mistake as TS statement. (Mr Nice guys failure) Time to change, the sky are big, there is many nice girls out there, relationship is not about who is putting more effort, but both equally maintaining it.
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Don't be yourself. Just don't be the rug that every girl steps and brushes off with her high heels. Don't!

QUOTE(keyibukeyi @ Aug 29 2010, 01:50 AM)
After a read i think i'll will forget what i've read. So just be myself.
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Come back to us man! Don't be your lame self, no! Just don't be sooooo nice please, at least when meeting the girl don't be too nice or just be nice!


Added on August 29, 2010, 3:42 amBefore i leave, let me dissect/summarize, it's good for all to know and learn.

QUOTE(papamia @ Aug 28 2010, 12:24 PM)
I found this article from a facebook page.
Ode to the Nice Guys

This is a tribute to the nice guys.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

And another one.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF.

You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LOVE(corrected) yourself to the point where you must be the guy with authority, the selective one (added).. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible.

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1st spoiler is telling you don't be such a nice floor rug and being such a good rebound guy.
2nd is how come you failed to court this girl. The answer is you being too nice..

IF YOU ARE A MAN, PLEASE READ THE SPOILERS. It's good stuff okay?

1st spoiler: If you had done those things or been in those situations, you are confirmed a rebound guy, nice gentle-kind-of-man.
2nd spoiler: Also about you showing signs of being a nice man, a desperado who lifelessly cling on to this girl, over-romantic or being just too romantic when meeting the 1st time and being such a denier "I loved her until nobody loves her like I did" sh*t. Please avoid these at all cost.

This post has been edited by SwooshY: Aug 29 2010, 03:50 AM
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post Aug 29 2010, 04:07 AM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Aug 29 2010, 01:29 AM)
Nice guy = winrar
"nice" guy = loser

Know the difference smile.gif
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A silverhawk at 4am?

Now that's a rarity either in the existence of that particular avian species, or I just never read any proper construction of sentences around 4 in the morning, lol.

And yeah. There's a difference between being nice, and being insecure about one's own inferiority complex.
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post Aug 29 2010, 07:17 AM

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Good to know that you guys like it. Don't make the same mistake again ya cheers.gif
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post Aug 29 2010, 07:42 AM

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QUOTE(papamia @ Aug 29 2010, 07:17 AM)
Good to know that you guys like it. Don't make the same mistake again ya  cheers.gif
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Lol. I came by your topic from /k/. 50 pages of doh.gif

Warmer in CC than in /k/.

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