what kind of strategy is consider cheese?

This post has been edited by knightz: Aug 27 2010, 10:55 AM

when u get surrounded like a rat in ur base.

thats cheese. u get it ?

p/s, read who move my cheese for more details =p

surrounded by army or building?

nah, cheese means using some 'cheap' tactic to win. for example cannon rush i.e. instead of building a base 'normally,' some protoss player rush probe to your base and build pylon and cannons.

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Cheese definition in starcraft is doing something that is capable of finishing the enemy off and yet not being able to do anything to stop it . ( well some of them who are familiar will be able to ward off the attacks ) . Barrack Barrack supply are considered as a cheese strategy.

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This post has been edited by NumbNut: Aug 27 2010, 06:20 AM

A few examples of cheesy tactics:

Protoss: Pylon Cannon Cannon

Terran: Barracks Bunker Marines

Zerg: Quite hard to cheese... unless you are really pro.

zerg = 6pool / (evo chamber) timebomb cheese...=)

if drop a factory near enemy base and helion rush, is that call cheese too?

cheese is usually done early game too...
like building a barrack/gateway at some places hidden and near enemy...

some are called proxy...
i'm not sure how to clearly differentiate both though

fyi, get surrounded and unable to go out of ur base is actually called "Contain"ed

This post has been edited by aLertz: Aug 27 2010, 08:55 AM

some consider proxy as a tactic some cheese..
so.. what ever or however you win, it's still a win, dont complain you are cheesed to death

I thought it had something to do with the term 'cheesy'

we call it a cheesy tactic

something out of the norm

tactics which is off book

the thing about RTS is, strategies are in the end played like a book, so it sometimes gets boring.

but some people manage to pull of some "cheesy" tactics which is not normal all wierd, and wins the game

why? did someone called you a cheese maggot? ROFL

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This post has been edited by The Amateur Working Bee: Aug 27 2010, 10:29 AM

yes.. it just my 1st game.. and someone called me cheeser... XD

Rush tactic is cheesey.

So in SC, consider not much strategy move. You can build lots of SCV, and rush to enemy base. If you can clear your enemy base, then its Cheesey win. IMO.

Example: In SF game, Using only Ryu's hadoken to win is consider Cheesey. You will see Cheese icon there. No much combo or tactics in attack.

take it as a compliment mate haha

refine it!

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Added on August 27, 2010, 10:44 amwell imo if the opponent is a pro, and he lost to a cheesy tactic, thats just weird and total pawnage man ROFL

This post has been edited by The Amateur Working Bee: Aug 27 2010, 10:44 AM

IMHO, the definition for cheese is when you execute a strategy/tactic to your opponent (or vice versa) that they are not prepare for (or less prepared). You can call these strategy "off the books" but strictly speaking, where's the "official" book that stores the "allowable" strategy. The whole point of RTS (Real Time STRATEGY) game is coming up with a strategy that beat your opponent. The best way is to beat when opponent are not expecting it (Metagame)

Some of the common "cheese" strategy, 5 rax reaper, cannon wall in at opponent's choke, planetary fortress rush, mothership rush, proxy hatchery with queen + spine, 2 gate zealot all in.

Some say that koreans are immune to cheese. You can see so many videos on youtube showing how koreans deal with cheese and counter push and win. This is because koreans, and most above average gamer would've played with these cheese before and instead of whining about it, they have the attitude to find out ways to defend against it.

Most people are mad when they get cheesed, saying things like "That stupid idiot cheesed me with a proxy pylon in my base", then I'd say "Why did you scout your base for pylon earlier instead of whining about it after?"
Same goes to all the other strategy, reaper rush can be fend of if you scout properly and defend accordingly.

Shu Tzu once said “Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.”

good one! nwcx

the other day someone scold me for sending my 6 zerglings to claw his SCV and SD in build.

i suspect is Asian, probably from MY / SG. and i also suspect (from the way he scold) that it wasn't his first or second time getting zergling visitation.

but 5 rax reaper is consider a cheese strategy?

I don't think so, its more like a reaper rush... and its not really effective depending on the map

yeah. which is why i ask. it's a reaper rush of course but was wondering why is it considered cheese? considering people would actually build at their location and move the reapers to location.

Looks like the guy not much experience against zerg. Zergling rush is common since the first SC.

what, he killed off his scv or something? lol

imo, it's not cheese as when you are doing so it's practically a double edged sword. either u fail or he fail. however, if you add a bunker behind the mineral line in addition to those reapers, then it'll become cheese

cheese = it makes u strong

hi guys, just wanna ask, sending a group of void ray to enemy mines and kill all scv or blow up the command center, is this consider cheese also?

no its not...
cheese is usually all-in style of opening

you mean the first few minutes?

yes the first few minutes...
if ur cheese have a mid game transition, i would not consider it a cheese anymore...
cheese to me is something where ur build order sacrifices ur mid/ late game for an all-in win during the early game...

how about 6 pool zergling rush?

definitely a cheese...
instead of building up ur economy with drones, u mine off 6 drones till 200 for a pool and then use ur larvaes after that for 3pairs of lings...

by then if ur opponent is doing standard, he should have 6 workers ahead of u...

with the upcoming new patch, there will be 6 zerglings vs 8 probes or less, while zealot still on the way.