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Flaming_lion
post Dec 12 2012, 09:29 PM

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Hi there fellow AMDians. I need some advice.

I'm currently thinking about changing my system. Just to give you an overview about how bad my present system is, here's the spec;
- AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400++ (2.30 Ghz)
- 4 GB RAM
- 1 TB HDD
- nVidia GeForce 7200 GS/7300 SE
- Asus M2N-E

Yes, indeed. It is a dinosaur PC. lol...

So here's the thing, I'm looking at the PC market, but its been so long since I've been "up-to-date" with the processors, especially AMD since those years. So, now I don't have any idea on how to look at AMD processors.

What I've been looking to build on are;
- AMD A10 5800K HD7660D
- 8 GB RAM

Are they both recommended? My usage pattern will be like;
- Sim City 5, Sims 3 (upon request of my sibling), FIFA 12, Football Manager 2013 & Internet usage
- On weekends, the pc will be on for a long time but not so long during weekdays
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post Dec 12 2012, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(yshiuan @ Dec 12 2012, 09:43 PM)
gt budget ezier la. haha... actually athlon2X4 did a great job in gaming.
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Budget, I ain't got one but should be less than RM 2k. The bare minimum is that it should be able to play Sim City 5 and Sims 3.

Yeap, it was great, until one by one, the games started demanding more. Now, super outdated. lol...
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post Dec 12 2012, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(Hilmax @ Dec 12 2012, 09:52 PM)
Well, i rest my case with this review, hope you can understand what those graph means. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vis...fx4300-tested/5
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Errrrr... Really that bad huh? sweat.gif

Looks more like i5 3570 is a good deal I guess. hmm.gif

How does the A10 fit into these charts?
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post Dec 12 2012, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(Hilmax @ Dec 12 2012, 10:02 PM)
Yikes. I'm very disappointed with AMD after seeing this. sad.gif

Looks like I'm going to get i5 3570 instead after looking at this.

Do you suggest I wait for AMD to release anything?
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post Dec 13 2012, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Hilmax @ Dec 12 2012, 10:38 PM)
Depend on your current hardware can re-use or not. Head here [Official] Rig Suggestion Thread V2[Official] AMD is quite good in GC department.
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The only current hardware that I can keep will be my present 1TB HDD. lol...

Thanks for the link!

QUOTE(sulfuriq @ Dec 12 2012, 10:58 PM)
What's the disappointment about?. The APU is CPU+GPU which intended for those who not required a discreet GC, and suitable for those who want to built HTPC and basic gaming on tv set. Even A8 can run Lego Batman/Harry Porter/Star Wars on 1080P without a problem. Less fan less noise, put in on the VESA bracket on your tv and you have SmartTV.
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So, APUs are for movie and basic gaming? Will games like Sim City 5 and Sims 3 run on them?

QUOTE(Najmods @ Dec 13 2012, 06:10 AM)
Disappointed of what? The framerate might be lower but does that mean the game is unplayable? Of course not. The game he showed is not the game you want to play either so why worry? People just over exaggerate with graph to make AMD looks bad, truth is gameplay wise it still smooth. The game you wanted to play aren't that demanding either.

EDIT: The graph on anandtech shows the extreme CPU bottleneck, why? Because it uses low detail AND 1024x768 resolution! Nobody play games with 15 inch CRT resolution anymore. At higher resolution with same graphic card the performance should equal out because the bottleneck is shifted to GPU. Dont fall to the same trap salesperson at shop do to you
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So, the A10 will be able to handle Sim City 5 and Sims 3? Even FIFA too?

So all the statistics and graphs are just perception issues? So, as the resolution increases, the game will run smoother? Is that what you're saying? rclxub.gif
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post Dec 13 2012, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(Hilmax @ Dec 13 2012, 11:40 AM)
In low detail to medium setting to get acceptable FPS, if you don't want candy feature of game.

Of course not many game depend on CPU, many depend on GC, still if the user want to play CPU-bound game like Starcraft II and Skyrim you now know how to choose best processor from that review.
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So, just out of curiosity, is the limitation because of the GC capabilities or the CPU capabilities?
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post Dec 13 2012, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Dec 13 2012, 12:33 PM)
The games you mentioned is far from demanding, you can Google to get an answer to that. Thing is, for your budget its better to go for FX + discrete GPU

It's not perception issue, that test are designed to do at low resolution and low detail which lead to CPU bottleneck. The performance won't become better at higher resolution at higher detail, but the performance difference between CPU will become less as the load shifted from CPU to GPU limited.

If you still doubt what AMD capable of, look here for AMD Trinity A6 5400K performance with Skyrim, Battlefield 3 and Mafia II which is a far more demanding titles than your mentioned games above at fullHD resolution, does that looks jerky to you? It's not even top of the line APU to begin with.
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Hmm... So it does seem that the APUs are not bad, for their prices.

Any reason why you suggest that proceed with FX + GC instead of A10?

How bout running an APU + GC? Would that be a good choice too?
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post Dec 13 2012, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Dec 13 2012, 12:53 PM)
There is nothing wrong going for A10 + discrete GPU, it's just what's the point of buying CPU with integrated GPU when you use a discrete one, pointless isn't it? You get better performance from getting better performing CPU with discrete cards. AMD APU in Malaysia is expensive to be honest, for the price of A10 5800K (RM499) you can get AMD FX 6200 which gives one more module, or two more cores totaling six core instead of four in A10, or for RM60 more you can get full on FX 8320 (RM559) with 4 module and 8 cores.
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I see what you mean now.

Its financially more practical to get the FX series.

Thanks for the advice! icon_rolleyes.gif `

 

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