Face it, the 1155 CPU pretty much kill everything else. I presume the Ivy bridge gonna make Sandy bridge-E look like gurf town vs Sandy bridge 1155.

Well they're going backwards. They are following the old netburst method. Another thing is the gap is too huge to bridge at one go and they're trying too hard

AMD's hope is in multithreaded apps, can't go back now

even heavily threaded app, bulldozer barely beating sandy bridge by tiny margin.
bear in mind that's AMD so called 8 cores vs intel 4 cores 8 threads.

Then followed the history? Core architecture?
No-no. , they still have long revision list of Bulldozer.
Piledriver, steamroller, excavator and helicopter?
This made me recall the ppt slide from AMD, a risky process to them, as they can't afford to make big mistake due to tight of fund.

Llano is actually still fine.
AMD should increase the L2 cache from Phenom II series, made them in 32nm, should be able to crank up some clock, at least comparable to i3 2100 in gaming.
But sadly, they did this for their Llano only, but not flagship.

Anyway, news.
http://www.chiphell.com/thread-313546-1-1.html

Because of the volume manufacturing date of 28nm keep on being delayed, Wichita & Krishna APU latest launch date is Q3 2012.
So, AMD looks like, remove then half-year-lifespan Wichita and Krishna APU, focus their resources on Kabini APU. Hopefully it can be released earlier in Q4 2012.

By following the rumor, Kabini APU is first APU with Jaguar cores, and maybe have Graphics Core Next GPU, aka HD7000.

Jaguar is enhanced Bobcat, Graphic Core Next is also an obvious improvement, removing Wichita is fine.
Wichita is already taped out (Q2 2011), but it isn't useless, at least AMD can learn 28nm lithography from there.

More? Maybe this is Rory Read's Attack strategy.

There is Samara APU for tablet in 2013 as well.

ughh so many post already, just a question thou

I heard rumors of that AMD FX (especially 8150) does well for newer games like BF3, Dues Ex : Revolution and some other newer games.

is this true?

completely false.

AMD FX did a good job in Battlefield 3.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/10/11/...rmance_review/2

See the scaling of different CPUs in BF3.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battle...ce,3063-13.html

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Nov 16 2011, 04:36 PM

thanks, it give me a little glimmer of hope for AMD.

Well just wait for Enhanced BD next year

in high resolution testing, GPU is often the bottleneck is graphic card.

p/s, battlefield engine scale wit anything above 2 cores.


so it doesn't really mean anything.

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Added on November 16, 2011, 8:30 pm

http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/24...krishna-wichita

This post has been edited by tech3910: Nov 16 2011, 08:30 PM

After listen some discussion online among my friend's chatting, surprisingly AMD 8 core @ 3.6Ghz actually look "better" in common customer eyes because 8 core @ 3.6GHz SELL. lol?

Are we back into P4 era again?

This post has been edited by Boldnut: Nov 21 2011, 11:57 AM

It is pretty normal actually for the general public that is less aware of what's going on. They do not rely on review sites or are not too bothered with being having an informed decision when it comes to buying a PC. They would just rely on the more/bigger is better concept because it is almost true but not in the case of BD. It is the same with those here who buys a Core i7 2600K/2700K for a gaming/office/multimedia rig. Compared to the Core i5 2500K, the Core i7 2600K has 4 more threads and applying the more is better concept, they come to a conclusion that the Core i7 2600K is superior. It is without a doubt better if they can utilize 100% of it but they're better off with a lower end model that suits their purpose and save some money.

We'll never go back into the P4 era again because Intel controls the development of the x86 CPU market. BD is pretty forward thinking in terms of feature sets which even SB does not have but if Intel's future CPU says that they won't be using that particular feature and opt for something else then AMD is at the mercy of the larger majority of the market.

Trinity Performance Leak
DonanimHaber is here again, they released a video that shows the Trinity APU performance.
Trinity APU uses Piledriver core and VLIW4 HD7000 GPU.
Here's the result.




We can see from above, Trinity SKUs has performance boost, increase 32% in 3DMark Vantage, 13.8% in PCMark Vantage compared to Llano SKUs.
The performance for crossfire-ing with HD6670 has nice performance boost too.

P/S : Calculated, Estimated.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Nov 22 2011, 10:37 AM

I say its 16% at best, because u always take these thing minus by 50% get the realistic answer.

That's pretty good for low end market. Also, these are supposed to be Engineering Samples clocked to emulate actual products. If they are able to fine tune BD stepping B3 and give it a greater performance increase, I believe Piledriver may actually level the field against Ivy. Down to the end, price matters most.

AMD cancels 28nm APUs, starts from scratch at TSMC

Not good news for Bobcat which is still quite successful compared to other AMD products. They're cancelling 28nm GloFlo in favor of 28nm TSMC which is what they should have done in the beginning since the 40nm Bobcat was originally manufactured by TSMC. A lot of the problems with BD that is associated with poor performance, low yield and high power consumption can be traced back to how well GloFlo does with their design and if BD had been made under TSMC instead for example, the results could be totally different. If AMD continues with GloFlo for a 28nm Krishna/Wichita, Bobcat could it can possibly have the same fate as BD. Luckily all 28nm GPUs from AMD will still be manufactured under TSMC's 28nm process. AMD's luck improving performance lies with GloFlo improving their process node.

True. BD should've been clocked around 20 - 30% higher than current ones, but due to yield issues, it turned out a flop.

I don't like where AMD is heading, they had gone back to megahertz race. The common conception that 'AMD is hot' back during the Thunderbird era is going to be back because of this.

Although it doesn't matter much in desktop where you could put big cooler on them and reach very high speeds, but they won't appeal much for mobile gamer.

Just look at current AMD Sabine platform, with only 2.1GHz tops (with on our market it is usually have low based 1.4GHz clock quad core) it won't be able to perform in games because as we could see from similarly architectured desktop Deneb based Phenom II needs 3GHz and above to reach 25fps minimum, like for example Skyrim even with GTX 570 as per review here.

The only saving grace for AMD is because it based on k10 stars architecture people can use k10stats to overclock, some with modded cooling could reach 3GHz speeds as you could read here. Also Crossfire between integrated and dedicated GPU don't work in some games as well, lowering performance instead of increasing them.

I don't see how Trinity could be better than current Llano on laptop, the GPU could be faster, that's why its only 3D benchmark is been floating around, but what about the CPU? What are the clocks might be? With base clock of 3+GHz on desktop they better do something on mobile to make it appeal for gamers because high speed don't equal to low temperature or low power consumption.

AMD could do a lot of things with their Bobcat, really. Just put one in Ultrabook chassis and voila! Affordable Ultrabook.