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post Sep 11 2011, 02:20 AM

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Look thru the UCAS tariffs, you won't see your Diploma in there because it's a non-standard qualification.

In your UCAS application you'll be asked to include details of your educational qualification(s).

To find out whether yours will be acceptable, contact City directly.
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post Sep 11 2011, 04:10 AM

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Well, good on you that they explicitly state that your qualification complies with a particular standard. At least it is acknowledged.

However I am not fully aware of the nature of your qualification and so I can't comment on it.

In any case, even if your qualification was not listed there, you would still apply with the same... nothing would change.
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post Sep 12 2011, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(xXLoveMeNotXx @ Sep 12 2011, 02:28 PM)
i'm thinking about going to aberdeen to do msc in engineering. anyone has any comment on that? please share ur thoughts.
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Yes. Aim higher.

If you must go to Scotland, check if Edinburgh or St Andrews have an MSc in Engineering. Otherwise there are plenty of better schools in the UK. I know some are expensive, but why Aberdeen?
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post Sep 12 2011, 06:13 PM

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Well in that case, you should see whichever is best for you overall in terms of the course.
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post Sep 24 2011, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(l K l P l @ Sep 23 2011, 11:09 PM)
hi all, im going to apply for UK Unis. What are the best top 5 unis for mechanical engineering? really need help here.
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You could start with Imperial, Cambridge...
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post Sep 24 2011, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(l K l P l @ Sep 24 2011, 12:25 AM)
bath edinburgh southampton  bristol sheffield manchester? which 5 should i chooe?
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Way to break it down to the best six...

Since you have 5 choices I assume there shouldn't be restrictions... which means you should consider Cambridge or Imperial if you really want the top.

Why are you even looking at Bath or Sheffield?

That list isn't quite what people call "top" but my five here would be:

Cambridge (pretty sure they have Mechanical Engineering, and that it is awesome there)
Imperial
Bristol
Edinburgh
Southampton

Other schools have Engineering too (UCL, Warwick), might want to check those out.
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post Sep 24 2011, 12:21 PM

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Which was why I suggested Cambridge, Bristol etc...
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post Oct 30 2011, 10:33 PM

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LSE is at around 14,500 pounds... but consider that it's in London and that its name is worth infinitely more than a small Welsh or English university...

For 3 years, that's about 13,500 pounds more... nearly a full year's tuition at LSE, and certainly a full year's tuition and more at the sub 12k places. But when you think about it, if you limit your excesses, and plan your expenditure carefully, going to a place like LSE is only slightly more expensive than the other schools, once you've taken into account how much you'll be spending in total, in MYR terms - because if you can afford about 10,000-12,000 then 14,500 shouldn't be an issue.


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post Nov 1 2011, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Oct 31 2011, 10:53 AM)
If you have submitted your UCAS application and UKCAT for September 2012 and sitting for the A levels now, how soon will you get to know whether you will receive any offers or you will have to wait for those who are sitting for their A levels in May 2012 before you know the results of your application.
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Depends on the school and the course.

Places like Warwick (and most below it) will reply very quickly if you're a suitable candidate, normally within a few weeks of the application. Many even reply within a month.

For LSE, the offers are intermittent, so some get it by December, most have to wait until March/April, and still some have to wait beyond that.
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post Nov 10 2011, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(strategist @ Nov 10 2011, 08:41 PM)
Hi there, can anyone tell me anything about Manchester and Warwick? I heard that Manchester is a big city whereas Warwick is a small town.... Is Manchester a pleasant place to live in as a student? Is it somehow packed like London seeing that it is a quite big city?

will appreciate anything you can tell me about these two places. Thanks smile.gif
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Do you mean where you will stay if you attend Warwick University, i.e. Coventry? That is small.
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post Nov 12 2011, 09:53 PM

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Bristol is probably more prestigious than Bath - although I wouldn't know which is necessarily better for the subject you're interested in.
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post Dec 30 2011, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(strategist @ Dec 30 2011, 12:57 AM)
anyone who went to UK universities without taking any english qualification? I have an offer from Bristol but they didn't ask for IELTS, which surprised me. Come to think of it I didn't tell them I will be taking the test either when I sent in my UCAS application. Is it a standardized expectation for you to submit an IELTS results if you're not from a country with English as native language?
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Yes many have done.
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post Dec 30 2011, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(yellowpika @ Dec 30 2011, 09:50 PM)
I thought it's not that important even if you have a Cambridge education(in M'sia, your pay will still be the same as graduates from other uni), according to my father.. hmm.gif

If not, prove me wrong. blush.gif
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That's hard to say. Employers vary pay by different factors including how well you performed in the interview, salary demanded, work experience, university, degree subject, relevant professional qualifications obtained, possibly degree class/results.

Very rarely are you and someone else recruited into two exactly similar roles, doing the same thing all the time - and only then will you be able to compare a Cambridge graduate's wage with the colleague from a different university (that is if you're even able to find a Cambridge graduate who happens to be in such a unique situation).

One thing's for sure though, all other factors staying equal, Cambridge University at the top of your CV is sure to get you noticed.
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post Dec 31 2011, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(LAZZIBaoY @ Dec 30 2011, 11:47 PM)
Could anyone suggest any top business school in UK?
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London Business School is one of the top graduate B schools (in the world). Ranked on par with Wharton - and that's saying something.

The London School of Economics and Political Science is not strictly a B school (not even an original MBA) but is a typical pathway, if you will, to Business and related disciplines (especially Finance, Investment Banking, and Management Consulting) - it teaches (at either undergrad or grad or both) Business, Management, Economics, Econometrics, Mathematics, Finance, Financial Mathematics, Actuarial Science, Risk and Statistics, Accounting etc.

There's Oxford (Said) and Cambridge (Judge), if you have the academic chops, and if that's your thing (normally people who wish to go there and apply know why they want to do so - others will naturally know the reason for the opposite). Oxbridge is Oxbridge, the B school element is not so important (Oxford only has a very small selection of graduate programs in Business/Economics disciplines though this is typical of B schools, and at undergrad only has combined Economics and Management, or with Engineering!)

Another respectable destination for graduate students is Imperial.

There's University College London, although like LSE it isn't really a B school.

To round off the list we have Warwick, with a respectable B school.

Alternatives would be Manchester, or even City University London (CASS Business School bills itself as amongst the top few in the UK and Europe).

Surely there's more but you should really aim for these... almost a quarter million workers in financial services worldwide were sacked this year... so it is hard enough even if you graduate with great results from the likes of LSE... because let's face it, you're not going to B school only to become an entrepreneur... that extra GBP 25,000 (or 50?) could come in handy...

Sadly, gone are the days when you could study Comp Sci and Mgmt at Nottingham University, land a Back Office job, and suddenly become a Delta1 trader...

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post Dec 31 2011, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(LAZZIBaoY @ Dec 31 2011, 12:57 AM)
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^ thank you for the info...was thinking that aiming for the cream of the crop is a must since the world of business is attached to where your degree come from. I was also thinking that graduating from a top with average is better than being the best from a not-so-famous-uni.

And I have checked most of the uni you mentioned too, is it advisable to aim those top business school in the FinancialTimes ranking? Also, most of the top are located in London which I think the cost of a degree compared to another on par degree from a not so well know uni is kinda tough (decisions decisions)

But I am looking at a Masters' in say (management or IB) which uni is better?
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Yeah, go for the best if you can, don't settle... in the pre-2008 world (and even now), some employers settled... look what they got sad.gif But alas there's asymmetric information at work.

Go for as good a university as you perceive it to be, as far as you think you will fit... (like I said, not everyone is destined for/will like Oxbridge, it is just different in so many ways, just like LSE compared to loads of schools).

IB is very niche as a taught subject, since it's not very academic... I believe you'll find IB at City, but hardly anywhere else has it. That's not to say you have to go to City, because very few people actually "study IB"... it could be Law, Accounting, Finance, Economics, Mathematics, Engineering, Philosophy, Geography etc. It's good that you've already aligned yourself to Business and IB in general, rather than the countless kids who proclaim "I want to enter Finance or IB after finishing my undergrad Engineering/Physics." Plus there are many roles within IB and you haven't really discussed that.

Management is taught all over.

The question of "which uni" is the same as before... whether you eventually end up in IB or not... so as above, Oxbridge because of its name, renown, and prestige... the same for LSE... LBS is special as its grad-only and a specialist B school...

Only if you can't get into those, then Imperial, Warwick (I guess you can't go to UCL), and surely Manchester or City won't be nearly as effective...


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post Dec 31 2011, 02:11 AM

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QUOTE(LAZZIBaoY @ Dec 31 2011, 01:51 AM)
Oh yes and so true, thx for clarifying and I will do more research and see what suits me better. No point jumping into a pool of sharks right now in the age of technology. But I am curious, do ppl end up in other alternative business schools say Brunel, Bradford, Bristol or Aston to name a few if they don't get admitted into the top 1% schools you mentioned? Or should ppl or I just start looking for a job
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What is your background like?

Even though one can never say for certain when it comes to Oxbridge, especially for grad school, and grad school for LSE, and LBS, since these really are the best the UK has (and possibly the best across Europe, also trumping many American B schools), Brunel/Bradford/Aston are schools I would never even consider (I don't identify with Bristol as a B school, and I don't know its reputation, even if overall it's a decent university at least in the UK, so you would be safer with Warwick which is established and highly rated). Interesting that you would use "alternative", but it's good that you recognise they are not of the calibre you might be after. I'm more familiar with undergrad, so at the risk of extrapolating to grad school, just give all those reachable ones a shot (LSE, Imperial, Warwick, then Manchester or Cass if you're desperate) and apply to "safeties" if necessary.

I recommend getting some industry insight to figure whether or not you should even attend grad school for IB because this forum is not going to be much of a legitimate source of useful info on such matters... the standard arguments are either (I'm speculating, don't hold me to these) that a Master's would make a candidate more competitive in this increasingly cutthroat environment, or that a Master's might not be cost effective as it does not give you a huge/worthwhile advantage over those with only undergrad.
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post Dec 31 2011, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(LAZZIBaoY @ Dec 31 2011, 10:38 AM)
To be honest though, I studying just for the sake of studying but my feedback was to work first only decide whether to pursue a Master's to advance further in a career. But because I am still in the comfort of my studying period, I thought I should just aim for a Masters first. But true enough, most MBAs or even extremely specialize Masters requires working experience as a prerequisite.

Hence, I heed your advice and look into the industry first only decide whether I should pursue a postgrade course.

Thank you so much for responding my questions but I have one last question, do you think entering a management consultancy  firm with a Masters is advantageous? Because I just completed by Honors from Monash with only a Distinction (GPA only 3) which I am not so sure how does those prestigious Uni would evaluate. Advice?
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Yeah, without work experience your grades have to be extremely good (and you probably should have a lot of other things, such as an internship) to get into one of those top B schools that don't require w/e.

Management Consultancy is not IB but in a way they're the same for this... if you can wow employers, then a Bachelor degree is enough. Not everyone has an MBA or other graduate degree. I don't know if "more" can hurt... people with graduate degrees still get hired into the same roles as those without, as long as they're good enough, but in those cases the degree hardly makes a difference, although it might get an applicant noticed - but will they be more willing to select those younger students without grad degrees who are ripe for training and who will certainly demand/be more willing to accept lower pay?
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 6 2012, 12:42 AM)
he/she has a 6% chance of getting that, so it's not too bad odds...... biggrin.gif
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Statistics does not equal probability... given the conditional probabilities I'd say she will be enrolled.
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QUOTE(OMG! @ Feb 12 2012, 03:47 PM)
Hi all, wish to ask,

Are all UK universities require IELTS or TOEFL as a proof of english proficiency and a requirement for admission? Is MUET acceptable?

Any UK universities that does not required IELTS or TOEFL as a proof of english proficiency?

Hope someone could shed some light. Thanks!
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Have you passed English at SPM/O Level/IGCSE with a reasonable grade? Normally that is enough, and you wouldn't have to take IELTS unless specially asked to. IELTS can be seen as the safety net because of its standardised acceptability which guarantees English requirements are met (for almost all schools, we cannot be sure if there are exceptions as there are hundreds out there). Basically whatever you have, having IELTS means no questions will be asked. No idea about MUET.

If you're considering a British school simply because it has no IELTS requirement, you're doing the wrong thing. No good institution will fail to have English language proficiency requirements for international students, and as I've explained above IELTS would be one of the main means for this (should you lack the acceptable non-IELTS qualifications).
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QUOTE(M@Y @ Feb 29 2012, 08:23 PM)
Speaking of IELTS, is it enough to self study and straight go to the exam/test? I find the centres provide lessons at a cost of RM3xxx per head for 20++ classes, and i find the cost quite a rip off blink.gif

Because the college i'm studying at doesn't provide IELTS lessons, just a study manual book. I have friends took their IELTS test at the British Council, and they find it easy. 3/4 days lesson at the BC costs about RMxxx.
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Just go for the test. Not that hard to meet requirements, unless you need like an overall of 8.5 and up.

And if you do, redoing would do the the trick, and cost less than "lessons".

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