QUOTE(SpikeMarlene @ Sep 26 2010, 01:33 AM)
I think, therefore I am, applies to you, not the universe. See you think, so you are. If the universe depends on consciousness to exist, who consciousness might that be? Where would that consciousness reside without the universe?
The notion of "The universe IS because we observe" means the universe behaves like this, or carries certain attributes is depends on how we observe it. Or simply put, Objective reality doesn't exist . It depends on the state, and who the observer is.If you and I were unconscious and being carried in to a container in a bullet train with no outside noise which is then running at 400km/h constant speed, upon conscious, there is no way we know we are running at 400km/h, we "thought" that we are at static. Why, because this is how our lens (eyes, ears) tell us. Need not to mention, an observer C (the kipnapper) who is station at the platform aware that we are moving at 400km/h. Both are right.
When you sit down, and the universe appears quite to you, the universe is not actually quite, it was due to you that only can hear frequency between 20-20,000 Hertz. An inserts that flaps its wings 30kHz doesn't exist to you but it exists to says, a dog, as it hears it.
You want to trust your limited senses and say this is the "One absolute reality that the universe is" based on? Think again.
May I know how much do you weight? Probably 60kg. If you were to sit in a spaceship which is running at 0.6C, you might weight 70kg. Both measurement are right.
If your velocity can influence space/time and affect the gravity, what reference point do you want to use to define "the one single objective reality"? Is it our current motion relative to earth, which is circling around the sun?
If you would, you are thinking earth is the center of the universe, just like the era where Copernicus lives.
Newton influences you too much, my friend, try Einstein and Schrodinger.
My apology for not addressing your question directly. The above points illustrate that even within the observable universe, "a single objective reality doesn't exist". Left alone talking and discussing about universe depends on "who"'s consciousness and also the philosophical question on existence.
For your question: If the universe depends on consciousness to exist, who consciousness might that be?
Your consciousness and the dog consciousness. If only dog exists, the 30kHz insert exists. If only you exist, the 30kHz inserts doesn't exist. (Note, using an advanced electron microscope is besides the point, as there is boundary limits that it can achieved, and analogy to 20-20,000kHz limitation).
For your second question: Where would that consciousness reside with"out" the universe?
Before asking this question, are you sure consciousness resides with"in" the universe? Physicist is not so sure about it. To say consciousness resides within the universe, it much carries some attributes just like other objects.
What is the shape, what is the size of consciousness, what is it velocity, what force does it interacts to? It we cannot measure it, does it exist?
There is one consciousness thread, you could try to browse through if you are interested.
A very good question by you, and it is more towards philosophy.
Sep 26 2010, 07:42 AM

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