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charge-n-go
post Aug 5 2005, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(cyberloner @ May 5 2005, 01:54 PM)
Get Fatal1ty.... 4 phase power + otes ram.... onboard otes... moffet cooler... stable clock man.........
better layout...cooper heatsink.......sound card off board...
and have optical out.....
what DFI have? think about it......
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DFI has 4 phase power too. OTES is not necessary actually. Even without OTES DFI is able to clock very high. MOSFET can work at very high temperature, as high as 120-150C. 70-80C is just half of its treshold only. About yr 'stable clock', pls give supportive facts what u mean by stable clock. Do you measure the clock using an oscilloscope? If yes, why not u post the waveform of the clock here?

If you talk about layout, both Abit and DFI are good. Check here :
ABIT
DFI

If you wanna know results of O/C using stock board (no further mods):
here it goes

Also, if you are showing off with 385MHz of HTT, I don't want to disappoint u, but even MSI can reach 400MHz using a-sync timing. If u want real o/c do it synchronously with RAM. It's useless to get the CPU runs fast with a slow memory hogging its performance. If tat's the case, i rather run at a lower HTT to have better o/c performance. O/c is suppose to makes PC performs better, not just high numbers but poorer performance.

You might claimed me as a DFI fan, but I'm not. I just tell the facts and compare them. I'm not saying Abit is bad, but DFI is js doing better. Up till now I didnt even said Abit sux while I hv both of them died, and my DFI still survived until extreme stress test.

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post Aug 5 2005, 11:31 PM

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This is a quote from Anandtech :

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When we benchmarked nF4-SLI boards several months ago, it was very early in the release cycle for nForce4 motherboards. We were surprised to see the large spread of overclocking results, but there was the explanation that the boards were new to market and we were testing immature technology. We are now several months down the road and the nForce4 Ultra chipset is everywhere in the market. Now, we have to wonder why there is such a huge spread in overclocking results with the nForce4 Ultra boards in this roundup. Names like Abit, which should be at the top of the OC game, barely reached 250 in our overclock tests. The enthusiast wannabes also generally performed extremely poorly.

It is almost like some board makers understand how to overclock nForce4 motherboards and others are still struggling. Two boards clearly stand out in overclocking in this roundup:the Epox 9NPA+ and the DFI LANParty UT nF4 Ultra-D. These two turned in bus overclocks more than 50% higher than the third placed motherboard, and they were also the top two in stock ratio overclocking.


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Oh well, if DFI takes the place of Abit now, I would say Abit is good and DFI isnt tat good too. Neither DFI nor Abit pay me to promote their products, I'm js telling what i think is best with support.

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post Aug 7 2005, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(irenic @ Aug 6 2005, 01:47 AM)
owh n 1 more thing, i guess high htt shows what the board is capable off.. no matter at what speed ur ram is running.. just my 2 cents  rolleyes.gif
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Yo irenic, i agree with you about the cold boot issue, it happens to DFI nf2 as well. It is fixed after the latest official BIOS update. For me there's no big deal becoz i nv turn off my PC. Uptime wise, DFI realy did better than Abit in my experience. I've no idea on the RAM incompatibility too, thanx for the info wink.gif

About the HTT u mentioned, actually high HTT doesnt mean as much as running synchronous with RAM. It's bcoz HTT multiplier is always set to a certain value to get around 1000MHz, so going high isnt a big issue, js like setting to a high FSB but lower down a CPU multiplier doesnt mean shows the CPU real o/c potential. In my opinion, if the board can run sync with RAM at high speed, it needs a good stability to make sure the data transferred from RAM to CPU through the bus on mobo. Just my 2 cents wink.gif

BTW, would u like to share the problems of DFI? I really wanted to know, thanx !

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post Aug 7 2005, 11:32 AM

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hehe babyelf, i js cant tolerate somebody who always say one brand is the best and another sux to max. It's very misleading. Thanx for sharing your valueable experience here biggrin.gif
Well, RAM and certain compatibility issue can be solved by BIOS update, this works to my nf2 DFI UI. Up to now, i really cant find a single error and the board works perfectly well. I believe nForce4 based DFI can sooner or later fixed the problem.

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its weird becoz most of them who have the same problem are using high voltage ram

Usual DDR RAM chip cannot exceed 2.85V according to specs, and Winbond chips should be around 3.3-3.5V. More than that of course will give some problems.
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post Aug 10 2005, 03:41 PM

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The Fatal1ty AN8 costs about $50 less than its Pentium 4-bearing counterpart, the AA8XE, but that still rings it in at around $200. That's a lot to pay for a motherboard by anyone's standard. Still, if it provides a significant boost in performance, it's worth it, right?

If you don't consider overclocking a critical factor, this is one of the best Athlon 64 boards we've tested. It's packed with good features, and extremely easy to work with. The benchmarks are the highest we've seen for an Athlon 64 FX-55. Will similar new chipset motherboards for AMD's CPUs deliver similar performance? We'll be taking a look at quite a few of them over the coming weeks, and it will be interesting to see how they stack up. Compared with the last-generation chipsets, it's a real winner.

That said, we were extremely disappointed to find that we could hardly overclock our FX-55 chip at all. It's hard to know exactly where to place the blame for this—on the CPU, its cooling, or the motherboard. Still, for a motherboard that emphasizes overclocking, our lack of success is definitely bad news. The features and utilities for juicing up your CPU are fantastic, so this could be a great board for those users. We just didn't get there in our tests. At this price, this is obviously not a board for everyday users. If you're a hard-core enthusiast, we have no problem recommending it. The benchmark scores are fantastic, and the nForce 4 Ultra chipset delivers fantastic features. The slot layout is highly unusual and could be bad or good depending on what you plan to install, so plan accordingly.


http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1776914,00.asp


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The LanParty line of motherboards from DFI have always catered to the kind of PC enthusiast who likes to really push his components to the limit, and this one is no exception. It's not necessarily designed for ease of use, but for tweaking, tuning, poking, and prodding your components until you eke out every last bit of performance. The UV sensitive slots are a bit of extra eye candy for the case modders out there, but the real star of the show is the BIOS. DFI has done an exceptional job with adding the kind of BIOS features that hardcore PC builders really appreciate. The built-in MemTest86 and user-selectable backup BIOS banks are great ideas. Really extreme overclockers will get a kick out of pushing their expensive RAM up to 4 volts.

Having said that, we find ourselves mystified about a couple of things. Why is DFI stuck in three-years-ago mode with no web-based, Windows BIOS update software? Why on earth would they put a x4 PCIe slot on a consumer motherboard? Why make the user change six large sets of jumper blocks to enable dual-graphics mode? Why put the analog audio jacks on a removable bracket when it's going to go in the back I/O panel anyway? None of these things are really problems, per se, but they're curious design decisions that we feel might be keeping the board from its full potential.

If you're a hardcore overclocker, you've almost certainly heard of DFI's LanParty series before. You should know that this model continues the legacy of adding features to help you push your hardware beyond its intended specifications. It's also not outrageously expensive, and in fact costs a little less than many other nForce 4 Ultra motherboards on the market. If you don't plan on tweaking out your system, you may be better off with a board that includes more x1 PCIe slots, but there's still a lot to like here. Dual gigabit Ethernet and six USB 2.0 ports on the back I/O panel are features anyone can enjoy.


http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1788677,00.asp

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By the way, if u think Lan Party has unnecessary features, just go for the Ultra Infinity series. It's cheaper and overclock as good as Lan Party.

There's good and bad on both boards, depend on what you want for yourself. I assume in overclocker's united, more ppl will like to push the o/c to limit, so IMHO, DFI is still a better choice. Feature or not, tat doesnt matter, the ultimate goal is to get the highest o/c and best result. Well, if u wanna compare everything, and consider non-oc performance, it's better u post it in hardware section.

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post Aug 10 2005, 04:25 PM

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sorry sorry.... I forgotten the topic already. I was fired up by fanboy ma b4 this, hahaha. Now hv to bersabar tongue.gif

 

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