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post Aug 21 2010, 12:18 AM, updated 16y ago

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Hi guys,

I'm thinking get one unit Plasma and want using it for mainly gaming like PS3, Astro Beyond and bla2...

Currently in my mind want to get TH-P50U20K at RM36xx. In same time also got basic HD Ready 42" TH-P42X28K at RM1999. This tv maybe i'm using at least 10 years because previous crt Panasonic also near 8 years and still good just i'm hand itchy to get plasma. tongue.gif

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post Aug 21 2010, 12:24 AM

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hd ready also not bad.

but too bad plasma use more power. over 200w.
now latest led lcd <100w.
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post Aug 21 2010, 12:33 AM

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For 42 inch there is not much difference between 1080p and 720p . I'm using a LG plasma pj350r and satisfaktion so far.

http://reviews.cnet.com/720p-vs-1080p-hdtv..._content;rb_mtx

Plasma generally have better colour than LCD too unless you buy more expensive models, if you have friends using LCD try to test it in a dark room and the black area is grayish.

However Plasma do tend to use more electricity than LCD.
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post Aug 21 2010, 12:37 AM

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panasonic plasma will match LCD grayish black when it aged whistling.gif
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post Aug 21 2010, 01:41 AM

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full hd.
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post Aug 21 2010, 05:46 AM

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Dun be like me, a few years ago got myself a HD ready TV...well, FullHD cost during that time easily Rm7K!!

after a few years, i didn't know I will be glued to it with Bluray, 1080P movies that leaves me asking for more sad.gif

So your answer is......Its FullHD all the way

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post Aug 21 2010, 08:52 AM

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For gaming and Astro Beyong............go for Full HD
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post Aug 21 2010, 09:09 AM

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I am happy with HD Ready so far. To me, PQ is more important that Full HD resolution. If can get both, lagi chun.
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post Aug 21 2010, 10:25 AM

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Full HD ftw
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post Aug 21 2010, 11:06 AM

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Thanks guys....will consider it....

Plasma FTW!
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post Aug 21 2010, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Aug 21 2010, 11:06 AM)
Thanks guys....will consider it....

Plasma FTW!
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post Aug 21 2010, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Aug 21 2010, 12:18 AM)
Hi guys,

I'm thinking get one unit Plasma and want using it for mainly gaming like PS3, Astro Beyond and bla2...

Currently in my mind want to get TH-P50U20K at RM36xx. In same time also got basic HD Ready 42" TH-P42X28K at RM1999. This tv maybe i'm using at least 10 years because previous crt Panasonic also near 8 years and still good just i'm hand itchy to get plasma. tongue.gif
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Since u plan to hang on to your TVs for long term, go for the FHD one, esp for that price. Unless you got a thing for 3DTVs...

BTW, 50" Pana @ RM36XX? Where? With NeoPDP panel?
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post Aug 21 2010, 01:18 PM

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when u watch full HD movie...

the only word come out from your mouth "ohhh my goddd"
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post Aug 21 2010, 02:42 PM

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has the question been answered? unless there is a strict financial constraint, it's not worth buying a HD-Ready TV nowadays
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post Aug 21 2010, 02:53 PM

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Bro, For Panasonic RM1999 is not the cheapest

Kelvin Selling RM195X, Free Delivery.
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post Aug 21 2010, 03:13 PM

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Better get 3D HDTV. You don't need to change for a couple years later.
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post Aug 21 2010, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(Lone*Wolf @ Aug 21 2010, 12:45 PM)
Since u plan to hang on to your TVs for long term, go for the FHD one, esp for that price.  Unless you got a thing for 3DTVs...

BTW, 50" Pana @ RM36XX?  Where?  With NeoPDP panel?
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NeoPDP panel it's V20K... blush.gif

U20K it's using G13 Progressive Full-HD Plasma Display Panel and price is RM3699. blush.gif



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post Aug 21 2010, 04:35 PM

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So, Which Model U Grab For?

I Looking For 42" TV As Well.
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post Aug 22 2010, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(minimize @ Aug 21 2010, 03:13 PM)
Better get 3D HDTV. You don't need to change for a couple years later.
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haha. its freaking 20k and above! i think its too much to ask for for now. -___- freaking expensive. but its really cool btw.. anyways, full HD FTW!!! my dad bought an LG 42' which is only 2xxx months ago. reasonable price i must say
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post Aug 22 2010, 12:08 AM

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For 42" and above, Full HD would be your best bet, even more so if you're using it for the next 10 years. Getting 1 soon too. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 22 2010, 12:12 AM

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Sorry.

Two Model In My Consideration

Shall I Get Plasma With HD Ready OR LCD With Full HD?

Newbie Here. Quite Confusing On Choosing LCD vs Plasma/ HD Ready vs Full HD.
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QUOTE(achilleus @ Aug 21 2010, 12:33 AM)
For 42 inch there is not much difference between 1080p and 720p . I'm using a LG plasma pj350r and satisfaktion so far.

http://reviews.cnet.com/720p-vs-1080p-hdtv..._content;rb_mtx

Plasma generally have better colour than LCD too unless you buy more expensive models, if you have friends using LCD try to test it in a dark room and the black area is grayish.

However Plasma do tend to use more electricity than LCD.
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His link pretty much explains everything.

But for me, anything above 42" I'll get Full HD cuz that's where the difference begins to become obvious.
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post Aug 22 2010, 12:40 AM

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I've been there too, and after researching for quiet a bit googling on LCD vs Plasma, and a lot of electrical shop visit here is what I learn.

i ) 720p = HD Ready, 1080p = Full HD.
ii) If less than 50 inch , 720p is suffice, save you hundreds of bucks too. sauce : http://reviews.cnet.com/720p-vs-1080p-hdtv..._content;rb_mtx
iii) Plasma is better in term of colour vs price. A more expensive LCD TV will match contrast ratio/ color vividness of Plasma however cheaper LCD(same price with Plasma with same size) will have grayish black area, esp when viewing in dark room.
iv)Full HD is good if you plan to use the TV as a PC monitor, the fonts will be more clearer. For Xbox and PS3 720p suffice as most of the wording in larger font.

Its best if you go to shop and check out urself, make sure the video sauce is highest quality and compare the two models. 720p vs 1080p aside Check out the features too, e.g how many connector, if you have PS3 , XBox360 and a PC connected to it, you might want to check how many HDMI and other connector port available.

Sidenote: LED is damn awesome.. too bad its a bit too expensive, waiting for it to drop in 3k-4k range.
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post Aug 22 2010, 02:57 AM

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Just get for plasma for my mother house...interested to getting 50" Full HD...but salesman said HD Ready also enough for Astro Beyond...

I bought already 42" Pana P42X28K at RM1999.

Thinking want to get 50" but since my mother staying at flat...42" inch also enough for replace old model 29 flat crt Pana...

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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Aug 22 2010, 02:57 AM)
Just get for plasma for my mother house...interested to getting 50" Full HD...but salesman said HD Ready also enough for Astro Beyond...

I bought already 42" Pana P42X28K at RM1999.

Thinking want to get 50" but since my mother staying at flat...42" inch also enough for replace old model 29 flat crt Pana...
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4 Astro byond ok la... smile.gif ur mum don watch blu-ray movies rite... rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(camrycilver @ Aug 22 2010, 03:42 AM)
4 Astro byond ok la...  smile.gif ur mum don watch blu-ray movies rite... rolleyes.gif
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Nope...if for me..i will go full hd... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 22 2010, 03:54 AM

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40 icnh led Sharp can get below 4k now
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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Aug 22 2010, 03:50 AM)
Nope...if for me..i will go full hd... icon_rolleyes.gif
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yup, go 4 it ! flex.gif it is da better choice considering its price 'downfall' nwdays... smile.gif
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Go to Neo pdp v20 plasma, it's really good for all use like Tv channel, gaming, and movies.
I got it last mth. It's really the nicer tv i never saw b4. All what LCD, or LED or others chips of plasma except pioneer Kuro, can stay away. Good in motion, colour, picture quality all good.1 word good!!!

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sakana-san tumpang thread

how bout 32" full HD LED? any recomendation.. 100hz is a plus!

i am a very unlucky few that totally can differentiate 1080p n 720p on 32" sad.gif
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post Aug 24 2010, 11:37 AM

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if u have unlimited money..go for full hd
if u wanna save money..just get hd ready
seriously u wont notice or realise much difference since ur not gonna have both panel side to side (for me at least..cant say for the rest)
for me even hd ready is enough already
it depends on how far ur tv is from u as well
and also are u willing to spend XXX amount for bd movies
but one thing i do believe tho...i think sony has a better non reflective screen
its really annoying to watch movies in the morning with reflective screen lol

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if dont wat reflecting screen go for lcd or led
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post Aug 24 2010, 11:44 AM

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I will switch off lamp when don't want to see reflecting...
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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Aug 24 2010, 11:44 AM)
I will switch off lamp when don't want to see reflecting...
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lol... laugh.gif i tried tis 'method' b4... nod.gif bt my house cannot la... sweat.gif once i switch off da lights only, mosquitos come n attack me repeatly... doh.gif
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QUOTE(johnny82 @ Aug 24 2010, 11:37 AM)
if u have unlimited money..go for full hd
Even you do not have unlimited money, still go for FHD. Why settle for less and regret later?

if u wanna save money..just get hd ready
Even you want to save money, still go for FHD (easy payment will take care of it)

seriously u wont notice or realise much difference since ur not gonna have both panel side to side (for me at least..cant say for the rest)
Disagree. When watch Bluray movies, you'll be able to tell, especially background scenes / objects more vibrant.

for me even hd ready is enough already
Well, once you are on HD, switching cost can be high.  I understand.

it depends on how far ur tv is from u as well
HD / FHD has nothing to do with viewing distant; it has to do with pixels; However, there is correlation between TV size and viewing distance.

and also are u willing to spend XXX amount for bd movies
Unless you are champion of Originals other wise, Uncle Ho will provide altenatives


but one thing i do believe tho...i think sony has a better non reflective screen
That is call brand loyalty or preference. Sony no longer produce Plasma and they do not even have reflective screen.

its really annoying to watch movies in the morning with reflective screen lol
If you are annoyed by reflective screen, any time you watch you will be annoyed.

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For ur reference im currently using a lg hd ready plasma.. i have no brand loyalty
i would say im really satisfied with the purchase (except for the reflection sleep.gif )
im just speaking from my experience.. all those are my personal opinion
but if u wanan dispute it with ur own funfacts thats fine with me smile.gif

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Go Full HD... and i think better get the lcd type...
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QUOTE(camrycilver @ Aug 24 2010, 02:43 PM)
lol... laugh.gif  i tried tis 'method' b4... nod.gif  bt my house cannot la...  sweat.gif once i switch off da lights only, mosquitos come n attack me repeatly... doh.gif
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just pasang those mosquito repellent then! laugh.gif

btw guys , either then hd ready or full hd there are like other fuctions that should be considered, as i just "awaken" by a very helpful lcd salesman. its call "motion interpolation" have u ever heard of those branding/funtion on certain set like sony's motion flow 200hz, philips's hd natural motion n so forth..

it seriously change the way i look for lcd/led now, the smoothness on bluray make it totally different experience. maybe u guys should check out, next time u go to telly shops that is laugh.gif
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I still prefer plasma for better color reproduction compared to LCD.

Btw, I recall someone actually did the maths to dispel the issue of plasma's higher electricity consumption compared to LCD. The result was one where the difference is something like under RM100 a YEAR for a typical home user scenario
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QUOTE(richard912 @ Aug 25 2010, 10:07 AM)
I still prefer plasma for better color reproduction compared to LCD.

Btw, I recall someone actually did the maths to dispel the issue of plasma's higher electricity consumption compared to LCD. The result was one where the difference is something like under RM100 a YEAR for a typical home user scenario
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You can read review regarding TV power consumption from cnet. Although it's based on US model & price, power consumption is more or less same with comparable asia model. Their rate is based on USD 0.1155/kWh. As a comparison, our rate is RM 0.218/kWh for the first 200 kWh & RM 0.334 for the next 200 kWh.

http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/tv-consumption-chart/
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You have to look at your source. If whole day watch 1080p then go for FHD. But if u also use console gaming or cable or DVD then maybe HD ready is better because u will avoid the scaling artifacts. That is why some TV looks bad with live video streaming. Generally if u sit >6' away with <50" TV u can hardly see the diff between the PQ of a FHD and HD ready. Put it another way: use the same camera and take a picture using 1MP and 2MP option and see if u can discern a difference in quality.

I would go for HD ready for now and save the money to get better FHD TV in 3-5 years time when all our broadcast can go 1080i/p instead of 720p. Nonetheless I think 1080p will be the convergent digital standard going forward for PC, video, camcorders, etc.

Plasma energy consumption is still double LCD as rule of thumb. But 5 years ago it was like >600W for plasma and now about 300W. It's not the same "double"

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If it was 5 years ago, I would have ask a similar question...FullHD or HD only.

Those days FullHD was like RM10K above...

Now, there is no looking back..

FULLHD all the way!
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QUOTE(azbro @ Aug 25 2010, 11:59 AM)
If it was 5 years ago, I would have ask a similar question...FullHD or HD only.

Those days FullHD was like RM10K above...

Now, there is no looking back..

FULLHD all the way!
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10 to 15 years later, Ultra HDTV (i.e., 4320p [7,680 × 4,320 pixels]) all the way. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(low98944 @ Aug 25 2010, 12:25 PM)
10 to 15 years later, Ultra HDTV (i.e., 4320p [7,680 × 4,320 pixels]) all the way.  tongue.gif
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how 'real' can it/PQ get samore? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(camrycilver @ Aug 25 2010, 03:26 PM)
how 'real' can it/PQ get samore? rolleyes.gif
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At that time the TV should be bigger than now. Maybe 1 to 1 ratio? drool.gif Maybe that time 3D is very common thing and when you watch TV, just like you watch it real live. Good to watch some type of movies. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(low98944 @ Aug 25 2010, 12:25 PM)
10 to 15 years later, Ultra HDTV (i.e., 4320p [7,680 × 4,320 pixels]) all the way.  tongue.gif
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and how much would that be i wonder. 20k?
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Enough with this nonsense, if you can have 2-4 air conditioning units in your home. 1 plasma tv isn't going to be a big problem.

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HD READY STILL THE BEST!!! cool2.gif

just wanna ask ... have anybody try put 1 42' HD ready and 1 42' full hd side by side, do all best setting, see any differnet or not"
anybody anybody??? notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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I have HD Ready Plasma TV at home and after calibration, the PQ are perfect!

.... and i do not have 2 42' tv at home, anyone want to sponsor one 42' full hd to me so i can compare? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(eleshoe @ Aug 25 2010, 05:02 PM)
I have HD Ready Plasma TV at home and after calibration, the PQ are perfect!

.... and i do not have 2 42' tv at home, anyone want to sponsor one 42' full hd to me so i can compare?  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(thonysky @ Aug 25 2010, 04:37 PM)
HD READY STILL THE BEST!!! cool2.gif

just wanna ask ... have anybody try put 1 42' HD ready and 1 42' full hd side by side, do all best setting, see any differnet or not"
anybody anybody???  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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some people have actually compared 50" hd ready and full hd side by side and yet, they can hardly tell the difference.
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QUOTE(Visualize @ Aug 25 2010, 10:34 PM)
some people have actually compared 50" hd ready and full hd side by side and yet, they can hardly tell the difference.
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if you sit far enough to watch, then no difference between FullHDTV and HDTV
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QUOTE(neb @ Aug 25 2010, 10:40 PM)
if you sit far enough to watch, then no difference between FullHDTV and HDTV
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that is true. the difference is there but hard to notice..
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ok by comparing both HD ready n full HD, what the source u guys use?

if u compared using normal dvd playback n an normal av cable, fo sure no difrent

i found very hueg different on 720p n 1080p even on a puny 32" , n of course using a bluray playback to differentiate
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QUOTE(figure8 @ Aug 25 2010, 11:09 PM)
that is true. the difference is there but hard to notice..
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Ask Anfieldude and other calibrating sifus.
If you are taught how to spot the difference, once you have spot it, it will be implanted in your brain cell and you'll forever remember it.
If you are not taught how to spot it, both FHD/HD will be forever be no differences.
Avatar is a good movie where such differences are easily spot e.g. Color vibrancy, Clarity of background scene, details of trees / grass etc.

Morale of the story: If you have never try "Mou San Wong" durian, you'll never know how good it tastes or you'll say D24 is still the best.

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As per my post above:

QUOTE(specuvestor @ Aug 25 2010, 11:39 AM)
You have to look at your source. If whole day watch 1080p then go for FHD. But if u also use console gaming or cable or DVD then maybe HD ready is better because u will avoid the scaling artifacts. That is why some TV looks bad with live video streaming. Generally if u sit >6' away with <50" TV u can hardly see the diff between the PQ of a FHD and HD ready. Put it another way: use the same camera and take a picture using 1MP and 2MP option and see if u can discern a difference in quality.
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To me the key to a good TV (as of now) is not how it displays 1080p native. But how it displays 480i DVD or broadcast media or even high performance gaming. That demands a good processor.

In addition I think it is easier to see resolution difference for LCD than Plasma as Plasma contrast is much better.

IMHO this analysis is almost certainly wrong:

QUOTE(Revamperz @ Aug 26 2010, 10:06 AM)
if u compared using normal dvd playback n an normal av cable, fo sure no difrent

i found very hueg different on 720p n 1080p even on a puny 32" , n of course using a bluray playback to differentiate
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QUOTE(vincentboleh @ Aug 26 2010, 10:09 AM)
Ask Anfieldude and other calibrating sifus.
If you are taught how to spot the difference, once you have spot it, it will be implanted in your brain cell and you'll forever remember it.
If you are not taught how to spot it, both FHD/HD will be forever be no differences. 
Avatar is a good movie where such differences are easily spot e.g. Color vibrancy, Clarity of background scene, details of trees / grass etc.

Morale of the story: If you have never try "Mou San Wong" durian, you'll never know how good it tastes or you'll say D24 is still the best.
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post Aug 26 2010, 01:19 PM

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In my personal opinion, whatever tv you can afford to buy is the best tv, regardless of hd ready or full hd. biggrin.gif
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cited from cnet - http://reviews.cnet.com/hdtv-resolution/

"Although resolution separates HDTV from standard-definition TV, it's not as important to overall picture quality as other factors. According to the Imaging Science Foundation, a group that consults for home-theater manufacturers and trains professional video calibrators, the most important aspect of picture quality is contrast ratio the second most important is color saturation, and the third is color accuracy. Resolution comes in fourth, despite being the most-cited HDTV specification. "
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QUOTE(eleshoe @ Aug 26 2010, 01:19 PM)
In my personal opinion, whatever tv you can afford to buy is the best tv, regardless of hd ready or full hd. biggrin.gif
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Yah resolution is not that important unless you wanna sit 3ft from your 50" screen.

But the facts of the matter is, the higher quality panels are in FullHD sets and not in 720p/HD-Ready sets.

So if you want the best IQ you're gonna have to get a 1080p set even if you aren't going to fully utilise it.
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Having a PS3 alone already answers your question. Get the full HD. But for Astro Beyond, HD Ready is enough.

Why don't get both? smile.gif One for living room and one for bedroom? hehehe
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QUOTE(lightastral @ Aug 26 2010, 02:08 PM)
cited from cnet - http://reviews.cnet.com/hdtv-resolution/

"Although resolution separates HDTV from standard-definition TV, it's not as important to overall picture quality as other factors. According to the Imaging Science Foundation, a group that consults for home-theater manufacturers and trains professional video calibrators, the most important aspect of picture quality is contrast ratio  the second most important is color saturation, and the third is color accuracy. Resolution comes in fourth, despite being the most-cited HDTV specification. "
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This is true if u like high fidelity PQ, not true if u like Samsung type oversaturated but attractive color. That's one of the reason why LCD vs Plasma argument continues on & on.
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Definitely Full HD. Most of our sources are gonna be transmitting full HD anyway, so you not gonna fully take advantage of that if your TV only HD ready. Future-proof your purchases now, and you'll be saving in the long run
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Sometimes too much detail will also spoil the mood of a movie. IMHO Transformers 2 look too fake when the colour is set too real and in HD. Have to make the colour duller and turn off the HD engine to have the classic movie feel again.

 

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