Haha, no need to beat beat; Just cause many conspiracy, my phone is better than yours. So what whose phone is better right?

On a side note, in terms of specs, Nokia phones always/usually far behind, more when they actually launch here. If want latest and newest, then go for those brands that keep update/replace their phones, at the same time, it'll be replace/outdated very fast too.

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Added on June 21, 2011, 4:52 pmWell, at least it got AUTO-FOCUS (LUCK!Y)
There's also continuous focus and touch focus.

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Early Symbian era, Nokia phones was very popular loh.... 3650, N-Gage, 6600, etc... Not much competition like now also... Plus, we can install N-Gage games on other non n-gage devices and bluetooth gameplay... 6600 with the "joystick"; This phone is a grenade! Plus, back then, others were so hyped with those "java" games, which is... er...
Then load N-GAGE KOF on 6600/3650, it's unbelievable.

Not sure video only or both;
If video only, means it will adjust it's focus continuously (e.g, if based on focus point, it will continuously focus the subject in the focus point; If based on face detection, then it will try to focus by detecting the face; Note: It may not work perfectly)
If photo, means, you can lock focus, then as you move your camera, whatever in the focus point will get focus again. Usually use for actions shot where the subject moves and you follow it. But not sure this can be of use for mobile phone camera as it'll need good focusing speed and performance to achieve this.

Back then, I'm not sure much people check about the specs/cpu. Back then was when smartphone started its era, and I remember got debate between smartphone vs non-smartphone (aka dumb phone), and about the ridiculous price to pay for a non-smart phone
Back then, also so many apps to find for Symbian, and people easily get excited over small things, hahaha; Nowadays it's totally different.

But it was also during Nokia smartphone era, that gets more problem? The early Nokia Smartphone, all comes with mono speakers; Those who change, complain about the sound quality, etc. We have to set it to 22Khz, etc so that it don't "pecah" and still sound good. Also got talk about "upgrading" the internal speakers with SE one, haha.
Somehow, those days, the Symbian seem more stable? LoL Perhaps it's more simple...

Haha, I got Windows Mobile back then, not really much choice also; I got the Motorola MPX200, back then, Windows Mobile phone was still so new in the market; I can only say, the experience is different from Symbian; Symbian is better in terms of mobile phone usage, good contact book, groupings, ringtone assignments, SMS, etc.
Windows Mobile? You kind of need more technical skills, mess with the registry, to actually customized the phone more and make it more interesting; Plus, there's quite a lot of problems with it; I use it as my 2nd phone, not reliable to be a primary phone.

N8 have in-body stabilization for video, but need to turn it on I think. Not sure for picture.

The continuous auto-focus for video mode, N8 can get it unofficially; But the next Symbian Anna update might have this for video.

For picture, I think it might have more issue as the camera needs to be fast, which most compact digital camera also cannot achieve I think.

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Added on June 21, 2011, 5:17 pmLoL! The thing I got excited the most was actually the "Ringtone Composer"!
And damm, only certain models have it. WHY?


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Yea. Optical depends on the lens, which I don't think it's possible for camera phone.

Yea, N73; but I think the N series era they start to change? And with the introduction of Xpress Music Edition.
Last time Nokia phones has some sort of category right? I also can't remember specifically already
2 series for budget?
3 series for casual?
5 series for sports
6 series for workers (built tough, got one model got the construction hat, haha, and can go underwater up to certain level)
7 series, designer?
8 series, class?
9 series, communicator for business professional

Then comes N series and so on, things started to change.

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Added on June 21, 2011, 5:31 pmThose buy one, some out of tune one, wth?

The ringtone composer actually have limitation; I think you there is the speed limitation and tone length limitation; Then I use some software to compose it, then need to buy stupid cable to transfer to the phone and the cable I think is specific to certain phone only. But luckily we can send ringtone on certain models?


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Yea, but many already jump ship to SE; They refuse to look back already, and very hard to accept or change again. That's why it's very important not to do mistake or recover too late, people will remember it forever even tough things have change, it's hard to people to change back.

I read gsmarena, I think they wrote N91 has one of the best speaker/sound; Can't remember.
5800 another strong point is the price; Back then, it was one of the cheapest smartphones that you can get, plus it has GPS hardware, so can use Garmin.

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Added on June 21, 2011, 5:46 pmThe design looks different from N9; more like N8 or E7 with flat out qwerty.
Those who like N9 sleek design might not have same feel for this?

88 series is crazy, haha; And I think there's no smartphones for 88 series right?


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Haha; Last time easily get excited over small things...
e.g.
OMG, BLUE LED llights!!!
Then... OMG, you got WHITE one...
Some purposely go change the model for the blue color... e.g. 3310 --> 3315.
Then suddenly... COLOUR SCREEN. WTH?
Then more and more colour.... all so fast back then.
For normal/monophonic ringtones,... then got "polyphonic", wow! All go crazy
Then wav/mp3, those who still use the monophonic or polphonic ringtone will get a funny look from others.

That time people easily get excited over small things. Nowadays, you need to do more to get people excited and attention.

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Added on June 21, 2011, 5:53 pmYup true, just that recover late, is hard to get back those people who have switch and printed on their mind. So, it's better to prevent or quickly do something. Nonetheless, we can only share our opinions and point of view. It's up to Nokia to make the move.

Don't know Garmin will make one for MeeGo, but if MeeGo gets popular, then maybe? Maybe will have PapaGo?


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Yea, actually based on focus point, unless you set it to 3D tracking or Face Detection, or whatever your camera brand calls it.
For photo, DSLR can achieve it easily because it's AF is fast and the performance is fast, you can spam shutter as well.

For digital camera, when you click the shutter key, it take some time to record down the image and process it, etc. In low lights, it's even worst. But I think phone camera/compact camera may not really need it much for stills as the depth of field is much wider, unlike DSLR.

LoL, shooting macro can get you narrow DOF, but on DSLR it's even much more narrow

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Added on June 21, 2011, 7:26 pmAre you a developer? or anyone can apply?


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Yes; This doesn't look like Maemo at all; The icons looks like Anna?
As mentioned before, this looks like a "refined" N8, just lacks the camera; In fact, it should have come earlier a year ago as you mentioned, as the N8. Imagine this with N8 camera, launched last year.

By the way, this isn't the actual MeeGo... this is the Maemo6/Harmattan, said to be MeeGo Compatible. After this, will be should be the actual MeeGo device.....

True; as long as they provide a decent camera, it's good enough.

That I suppose should be software limitation. Touch Focus and other features of the camera...

Now probably we can start to or should see more of Qt benefits? Hmm...

Not sure, but recently sees more progress on Qt? Maemo got Qt, and Symbian got Qt; but I still don't really see the app sharing thingy like build once, deploy anywhere; If have, then Maemo should have the same Qt apps for Symbian? Similarly Symbian should have the one for Maemo. I think there is "some" but not sure how many is there.

In terms of fluidity, somehow I still feel iOS and WP7 more fluid? This one, when you transit from one page to another or open up applications, it doesn't feel as nice, it's just more plain pop up or change over.

This MeeGo Harmattan is also very much Qt based? The last firmware update for N900 included Qt library in it, makes kind of major changes to the compatibility for older version apps.

Anyway, no further comment on it until we can actually see it's real benefits.

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Possibly it's the originally plan device, but since they delayed it so long, the device is way outdated, so they come up with a new device? I don't know, but the MeeGo Harmattan was pretty old news, and this thread started since last year. Now, it's almost a year since this thread started.... By the time this phone is launched, it could probably be end of the year? In Malaysia, probably in Feb/Mar 2012? Just my baseless speculations.
IMO, they need to launch it fast, by the end of this year, who knows what other device is in the market or announced, next year, I think more, and this device will look even more dated by then. There might also be a real actual MeeGo device?

They might need to capture the market and attention, and make sure this doesn't disappoints, else, the it will tarnish the image of future MeeGo devices.

You might need to do a lot of work on this as you need to manually flash the firmware, no support, and the device is released as "beta". An incomplete set?

Yup, N900 was kind of more for advance users; When it first launch, there was NO PLANS to launch in SEA (South East Asia). I was one of the first who interested in this model and many others have been inquiring Nokia for the N900; Even to the extend of emailing to Nokia EU multiple times. Finally the replied, NO PLANS to launch in SEA. Probably they worry selling the device to non-literate users, it'll just create more problems. But India is very keen of this device, they love Linux, you can see their Linux mags, they publish tons of page on the N900 and at the last page, it said due to restriction, they have to stop here and they have not even covered half of it.
So, those who've been disappointment, they opt for AP set; until later, very late, finally Nokia decided to launch in SEA.

The launch in INDIA and HK was amazing, if you check out their launching, so many technical information sharing and so on, they even talk demo on emulators and so on. Big difference with here I would say. Here, I think many people bought not because they know the device or know what they want, but because of the publicity or people say it's good, only to find later it's not suitable for them, thus more complains. It's like someone who doesn't drive fast, wants a comfortable car, but buys a high powered sports cars, then complain about the high fuel consumption, uncomfortable ride, etc.

Anyway, N900 still has better support than N950, as you can still receive OTA updates, and other support; Just that, there's no more updates available for quite long time, no progress, and the OS is very much incomplete, just useable. Many features still missing, which can actually make this an amazing OS...

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