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post Jan 8 2011, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Jan 7 2011, 09:54 PM)
rough cost for the bold item? breakdown would be nice... also how do you suggest we source this item.. anyone to recommend? some half cut fella or workshop tongue.gif

not include twin pot of coz.. this i know the price d tongue.gif
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This is good for your upgrade project as well ...

http://www.mudah.my/Brake+servo+dan+master...o+3-7224837.htm

http://www.mudah.my/Brake+Disc+Evo+3+Full+...7308.htm?last=1


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post Jan 8 2011, 01:16 AM

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hehe.. yup.. but tht one just lag pro drag settles it la... mayb go after cny~
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post Jan 8 2011, 11:30 AM

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Guys.. i got one question..

If you dont run a wastegate, means when you drive you become a manual boost controller (your right leg)?? Is that right?
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post Jan 8 2011, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(kampoon @ Jan 7 2011, 09:20 PM)
This is the complete setup ...will caused around 10K dude...
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exactly! then again, there is no compromise in reliability when it comes to bot'ing a na engine. even more on sohc 4g18p.
just sharing my experience, when i was just into car stuff, a friend of mine bot his 4g18(1st generation waja). boosting at low 0.6 bar,
his piston head crack and there was a leakage on the gasket.
for na engine with bot, reliability over performance comes into consideration. but for factory fitted turbo engine, you could have both brows.gif

QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Jan 7 2011, 09:54 PM)
rough cost for the bold item? breakdown would be nice... also how do you suggest we source this item.. anyone to recommend? some half cut fella or workshop tongue.gif
not include twin pot of coz.. this i know the price d tongue.gif
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should be more than 4k to be consider as close to proper bot with most expensive one goes to piggyback management chip.
be careful of imitation part. perhaps, steven could elaborate more since he is using bot.
there is one half cut trader in mudah site. under the trader name ayie from puchong but his price are quite steep. perhaps, cheaper if buying in bulk.
any garage in sunway could do the job just fine.
also, pcd114.3 of older evo brake might not fit straight into waja. either re-drill of rotor disc or knuckle change require.
for the dual layer brake servo, only those from evo 6.5 can be consider as plug and play to 4g18p. evo 3 and below will not be a straight job, while evo 4 need
minor modification.
4 pots from nissan rb series is another option.

QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Jan 8 2011, 11:30 AM)
Guys.. i got one question..

If you dont run a wastegate, means when you drive you become a manual boost controller (your right leg)?? Is that right?
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almost similar but not there. without the wastegate, you need to be very very light on your right foot / lower than 0.6bar boost which in turn kill the fun of having a turbo installed tongue.gif .
as far as i know, wastegate act as a proper boost regulator management. without the wastegate, excessive gas might not be channel out properly to exhaust system. also, no proper regulator for the turbine. this effect the turbo effectiveness(sticky) and engine in the long run.



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post Jan 8 2011, 01:28 PM

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if you dont have a wastegate you probably ahve an actuator smile.gif
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post Jan 8 2011, 06:50 PM

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Hey Guys,

Good thing to share here, hopefully will benefits to all Turbo wanabe.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm
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post Jan 9 2011, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(yngwie @ Jan 8 2011, 11:53 AM)
exactly! then again, there is no compromise in reliability when it comes to bot'ing a na engine. even more on sohc 4g18p.
just sharing my experience, when i was just into car stuff, a friend of mine bot his 4g18(1st generation waja). boosting at low 0.6 bar,
his piston head crack and there was a leakage on the gasket.
for na engine with bot, reliability over performance comes into consideration. but for factory fitted turbo engine, you could have both  brows.gif

should be more than 4k to be consider as close to proper bot with most expensive one goes to piggyback management chip.
be careful of imitation part. perhaps, steven could elaborate more since he is using bot.
there is one half cut trader in mudah site. under the trader name ayie from puchong but his price are quite steep. perhaps, cheaper if buying in bulk.
any garage in sunway could do the job just fine.
also, pcd114.3 of older evo brake might not fit straight into waja. either re-drill of rotor disc or knuckle change require.
for the dual layer brake servo, only those from evo 6.5 can be consider as plug and play to 4g18p. evo 3 and below will not be a straight job, while evo 4 need
minor modification.
4 pots from nissan rb series is another option.
almost similar but not there. without the wastegate, you need to be very very light on your right foot / lower than 0.6bar boost which in turn kill the fun of having a turbo installed  tongue.gif .
as far as i know, wastegate act as a proper boost regulator management. without the wastegate, excessive gas might not be channel out properly to exhaust system. also, no proper regulator for the turbine. this effect the turbo effectiveness(sticky) and engine in the long run.
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wat cause ur fren piston head to cracked?

kampoon mention safc, but looks like emanage more things to adjust tongue.gif

some ppl dont even replace their brake servo. they jst keep standard servo.... any benefit of the dual layer one?

QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Jan 8 2011, 01:28 PM)
if you dont have a wastegate you probably ahve an actuator smile.gif
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is tht the internal wastegate?


Added on January 9, 2011, 5:00 pm

List of item i've can think off now... anything else missing?

GSR intercooler (not sure if can fit nicely or not tongue.gif seems tight)
Emanage Blue / SAFC
Garrett AR80 (but as far as i read not all AR80 is the same...) <-- got internal wastegate one ar?
Manifold custom
Plastic OEM blow Valve <-- any other options ar? this thing look like no confident laugh.gif
2" Wai Heng Exhaust <-- 2" enuff?
Boost Meter ala Jasma <-- Any other choice?
390cc gsr injector - (waja std - 210cc) <-- online there is an injector size calc. seems tht 210 not enuff big...

This post has been edited by WhitE LighteR: Jan 9 2011, 05:01 PM
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post Jan 9 2011, 05:04 PM

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yes, internal wastegate. I jsut sent my car to reseal the turbo and exhaust manifold.. and f***, i never knew i had this much power smile.gif.
Car went left n right the first time i boosted
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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Jan 9 2011, 05:04 PM)
yes, internal wastegate. I jsut sent my car to reseal the turbo and exhaust manifold.. and f***, i never knew i had this much power smile.gif.
Car went left n right the first time i boosted
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wah.. the thing cracked ar?

can redyno again brows.gif


Added on January 9, 2011, 6:15 pmGood read~

Talking about advantage and disadvantage or internal vs external wastegate boost control~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_controller

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Jan 9 2011, 04:52 PM)
wat cause ur fren piston head to cracked?

kampoon mention safc, but looks like emanage more things to adjust tongue.gif

some ppl dont even replace their brake servo. they jst keep standard servo.... any benefit of the dual layer one?
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once you bot the na 4g18p, it will unoffically become a high compression engine. thus, you might need a stronger coil and cam to hold the piston.
also, make sure to tightened up your top with stronger set of screw. or light right foot to minimize the damage.
else, since you're getting emanage, might as well get the dohc top transplant brows.gif

QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Jan 9 2011, 05:04 PM)
yes, internal wastegate. I jsut sent my car to reseal the turbo and exhaust manifold.. and f***, i never knew i had this much power smile.gif.
Car went left n right the first time i boosted
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that was quite a lot for a bot works. perhaps, your car is already goes thorough a surgery' during bot process brows.gif
standard 4g18p on bot does not take off like a snake. tongue.gif
btw, were you on stock suspension back then? i've had the same minor problem with my 1jz-gte ride when the transplant completed.
turn out it was caused by the lousy suspension. at least, hks hypermax could handle it better.
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yngwie : I do not drive a Waja. It's a 4efte tongue.gif


Added on January 9, 2011, 7:30 pm
QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Jan 9 2011, 04:52 PM)
wat cause ur fren piston head to cracked?

kampoon mention safc, but looks like emanage more things to adjust tongue.gif

some ppl dont even replace their brake servo. they jst keep standard servo.... any benefit of the dual layer one?
is tht the internal wastegate?


Added on January 9, 2011, 5:00 pm

List of item i've can think off now... anything else missing?

GSR intercooler (not sure if can fit nicely or not tongue.gif seems tight)
Emanage Blue / SAFC
Garrett AR80 (but as far as i read not all AR80 is the same...) <-- got internal wastegate one ar?
Manifold custom
Plastic OEM blow Valve <-- any other options ar? this thing look like no confident laugh.gif
2" Wai Heng Exhaust <-- 2" enuff?
Boost Meter ala Jasma <-- Any other choice?
390cc gsr injector - (waja std - 210cc) <-- online there is an injector size calc. seems tht 210 not enuff big...
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you'll prolly need a 2.5 exhaust, boostmeter autogauge also not bad.

This post has been edited by ThunderGod_Cid: Jan 9 2011, 07:30 PM
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post Jan 9 2011, 07:39 PM

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his not driving waja ... his driving espri turbo... laugh.gif

yup i heard abt the stronger screw before... cam no... but coil make sense if u boosting high la.. but if boost low need meh?
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Jan 9 2011, 04:52 PM)
wat cause ur fren piston head to cracked?

kampoon mention safc, but looks like emanage more things to adjust tongue.gif

some ppl dont even replace their brake servo. they jst keep standard servo.... any benefit of the dual layer one?
is tht the internal wastegate?


Added on January 9, 2011, 5:00 pm

List of item i've can think off now... anything else missing?

GSR intercooler (not sure if can fit nicely or not tongue.gif seems tight)
Emanage Blue / SAFC
Garrett AR80 (but as far as i read not all AR80 is the same...) <-- got internal wastegate one ar?
Manifold custom
Plastic OEM blow Valve <-- any other options ar? this thing look like no confident laugh.gif
2" Wai Heng Exhaust <-- 2" enuff?
Boost Meter ala Jasma <-- Any other choice?
390cc gsr injector - (waja std - 210cc) <-- online there is an injector size calc. seems tht 210 not enuff big...
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Lighter,

Intercooler sure can be fitted but depends of time and effort and the installer must have some arts and patient to perform this.
Emanage Blue or SAFC <--- this is depends on ur budget, of cause the merrier the better lor smile.gif
Garrett AR80 <- yes....ade internal w/g
OEM blow Valve <--that is the original from MMC, u won hear the shhhhh sound by using that, you can buy the aftermarket HKS SQV2 then you will be shiok (less than RM100 for a new one)
Boost meter <- a lot of choice Jasma, Autoguage, NRG, Shadow, Apexi, GReaddy, HKS, Defi.
Exchaust - 2.25 or 2.5" the best
240cc Mivec injector is enough.

Hope all this will help you....cheers ...!!!
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QUOTE(kampoon @ Jan 9 2011, 07:52 PM)
Lighter,

Intercooler sure can be fitted but depends of time and effort and the installer must have some arts and patient to perform this.
Emanage Blue or SAFC <--- this is depends on ur budget, of cause the merrier the better lor smile.gif
Garrett AR80 <- yes....ade internal w/g
OEM blow Valve <--that is the original from MMC, u won hear the shhhhh sound by using that, you can buy the aftermarket HKS SQV2 then you will be shiok (less than RM100 for a new one)
Boost meter <- a lot of choice Jasma, Autoguage, NRG, Shadow, Apexi, GReaddy, HKS, Defi.
Exchaust - 2.25 or 2.5" the best
240cc Mivec injector is enough.

Hope all this will help you....cheers ...!!!
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Fake HKS SQV2 laugh.gif duno got any diff or not.. but ori one damn f*** xpensive.. like 600 bucks~ crazy
But will the replica one fail and kill your turbo ar? tongue.gif

exhaust 2.25" sounds good~

Injector size i try this calc... duno if correct or not

http://www.nitrostreet.com/injectors.htm

HP - 150
BSFC - 0.6
Injector - 4
Duty Cycle - 0.8

= 295.31cc

Your mivec 240cc oni~ correct me if im wrong tongue.gif still learning~

This post has been edited by WhitE LighteR: Jan 9 2011, 11:03 PM
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why you want to boost so high for stock internal,

If you wanna to boost 0.4, you might not need to replace ur injector.
if you booost 0.5, 240cc is just nice and safe ....
if you want to boost high high..then you need to change fuel pump,
install metal gasket, replace conrod, low compression pistons...bla bla bla...
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QUOTE(kampoon @ Jan 9 2011, 11:54 PM)
why you want to boost so high for stock internal,

If you wanna to boost 0.4, you might not need to replace ur injector.
if you booost 0.5, 240cc is just nice and safe ....
if you want to boost high high..then you need to change fuel pump,
install metal gasket, replace conrod, low compression pistons...bla bla bla...
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not wan to boost high la tongue.gif

just i thought the bigger the injector have more safety margin to play with instead of having smaller one~ is it not so? then my mistake tongue.gif

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post Jan 10 2011, 11:28 AM

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you need a turbo timer as well
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QUOTE(kampoon @ Jan 10 2011, 11:28 AM)
you need a turbo timer as well
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yup... happy.gif

will get it done together wit my steelmate in the future~


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post Jan 10 2011, 12:32 PM

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Did some search in zth....

GTI 240cc injector
http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/eng...c-injector.html

GSR 390cc injector
http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/eng...or-390-gsr.html

4G93fuel rail + 240cc injector
http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/eng...c-injector.html

Mitsubishi eterna injector 275cc
http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/eng...ctor-275cc.html

Which one suit our engine?
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