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post Sep 24 2010, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Sep 24 2010, 03:43 PM)
I also used my HSBC credit card as reference. RM30k really is enough for HSBC credit card apparently. Anyway, they still asked for my income document. Age is the problem here. It will be a few more year before i reach my mid-20s. Told them i am just a student. Therefore, i won't be able to to give them my income document. They asked me if i have any FD with them but unfortunately i do not have any. So i asked them to cancel my application. Might try again when the opportunity comes next time  smile.gif
Now we all know age might play a role as well  sweat.gif
Most major hospitals do accept AMEX.
There are four escalators on each floor. Two going up and the other two going down. You have to walk near the end of the mall. The booth is next the second escalator. And regarding the mall, there isn't any interesting shop inside  whistling.gif
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Actually, age is only a factor if you are below the legal age. For your case, its because of income/net worth. If you are say, a CEO of your own company or has substantial FDs with them, then guaranteed approved. Had a friend, already owning multiple plat cards even as a student as he has millions in FDs (that time, no WMC or VI)

And yes, agreed with you, the only thing hot about the Mall is in its name rclxub.gif
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post Sep 24 2010, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(samquah @ Sep 24 2010, 05:18 PM)
will the offer a good cl? or match the citibank cl i have??

what about cimb? can they give a good cl?

why i am asking? because i have a credit of almost 28K which i want to transfer to other cc and do installment plan instead of taking personal loan to pay up.
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You mean you have outstanding of RM28K, right?
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post Sep 24 2010, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(samquah @ Sep 24 2010, 05:47 PM)
yes

so care to advise?
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Balance transfer would only offer you a short brief of between 3 to 6 months but if your income is still adequate to pay them off, first thing you need to do is cut off the card and bite the bullet. If not, then AKPK is the next best option hmm.gif

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post Sep 25 2010, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Sep 24 2010, 10:30 PM)
But i was told that my age is the main reason why they asked for my income document. The minimum credit line can be given to the World MasterCard really is RM100k and since they do not know my exact financial status, they were having doubts granting me an unsecured credit card with such high credit line. I only have savings account at CIMB Bank. All my time deposits are at the non-GLC banks. Told them all my incomes are passive incomes from time deposits and ASB/ASW2020. They asked me if i have any FD with them but i said no. So they said the only way is to submit my income document because they have no access into other banks' system.
I do have and it is all passive income  tongue.gif  And i am not comfortable showing my FD certificates to other banks.
No. You misunderstood. It wasn't OCBC that requested for my income document. It was CIMB Bank. I tried to apply for their World MasterCard. Apparently two other people here managed to apply for the card using their HSBC Premier MasterCard and they did not have to submit their income documents at all. They both got the card in just one hour  rclxms.gif

Anyway, i initially was told that all they need is my existing credit card. They asked me how much is the credit line of my credit card and later found out that mine is eligible  thumbup.gif  They didn't even ask me if i was earning RM200,000/pa. They did however ask where do i work but i told them i am not working at the moment. I asked them if it is okay if i give them my dad's company as the place i am working in and they told me that would be fine too and that's it. They did't even ask for the company's telephone numbers. I was told to come back an hour later but when i did, i was told that their credit card centre request for my income document. I told them that is not possible as all my incomes are passive income and i am not comfortable showing them my bank statement from another bank. So i just told them to cancel it.
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As you so aptly put it, they asked for your income statement because they probably think you are too young to be earning that much, which really has no bearing on your age but more towards your income. If you had provided such, they would gladly have given you the card. Another drawback could also be because you are not a high spender as otherwise your CRIS would have supported your application as well. But to be honest, you aren't missing anything, really!
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post Sep 25 2010, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Sep 25 2010, 10:27 AM)
I've been using near the maximum of my credit line in the last two months. Overseas trips helped that  biggrin.gif
However, CIMB Bank credit card benefits me better than HSBC credit card. Yeah, not denying HSBC does have a lot of promotions for its credit card but all these promotions always come with strict T&C while the sort of promotion CIMB Bank has is much more straightforward and everyone can easily benefit from it. Besides, CIMB Bank World MasterCard gives 2x Bonus Points for each RM1 charged in foreign currency and the bonus points needed to redeem for shopping voucher is the lowest among all the major banks in Malaysia. This is why i am so keen on the World MasterCard as their other cards do not get 2x Bonus Points for transactions transacted in foreign currency. 

To sum it all up, CIMB Bank credit card suits my lifestyle better than HSBC credit card and it is a good overall card for me. However, i am not moving any FD into CIMB Bank. Will try to apply for it again next time.
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If I may be direct, normally your CRIS would show movement of up to 2 years in terms of charges to your cards & just a few months of charges does not signify much. Further, for WMC or VI, to be consider a high spender, you should have charge over 0.5M per annum. If you did have such record, then sure they would have approved you.

Anyway, if overseas expenditure are you usual pattern, then you can't go wrong with SCB VI, which offer 5X points. Plus its not a GLC & requires only FD to qualify, which is just right up your alley while income is not a factor. Good luck

But if you really dig CIMB's offers, give their Plat cards a try. Most of offers are applicable.

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post Sep 27 2010, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(hye @ Sep 26 2010, 11:44 PM)
Not sure about HSBC RM30K limit but definitely you are going to need 12 months on your HSBC card. And .... there's a strong chance they will check for your RM200K p.a income.
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I can't help but notice that there still seems to be a lot of confusion in respect to credit card qualifying criterias, maybe due to the currently trends of our self serving & less responsible generation. Anyway. here's my take on the matter :-

1) The fact that the banks are simplying the process by only requiring a valid card with minimum 12 months tenure does not in any way indicate that the minimum income requirements are no longer applicable. Credit card has all the while been subjected to the demonstrated ability to repay and this will never change. Its not "FREE $$$" and extract a terrible cost upon the nation if not managed properly.

2) The basis for the the 12 months record of your existing card serves to give an indication as to your income based on the principal that "you must have the income in order to pay off your debts" thus, if your CRIS only shows a miniscule amount, then the possibility of you earning that much would be in doubt and additional support documents would be required.

3) The reasons a particular CL is given should reflect a person's ability to repay as otherwise it would be a disaster recipe. As such, if you are truly a big spender, then consider using a charge card, which would never impede your spending ability as ultimately, CC serves as a convenience and not a source for "FREE $$$".

4) NEVER ever use CC as a source of future funds. It will kill you in the long run.

Hope that helps clarify the same persistent & irritating queries being asked all around. Thanks
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post Sep 27 2010, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(hye @ Sep 27 2010, 08:48 AM)
Thank you @tgeoklin, I share your opinions as well.
The newer generation are just too gung-ho about CL, card upgrade, EZ Payments, etc. I worry about these developments as it could possibly indicate denial about the ACTUAL responsibility when using a credit card.

Back then I had to wait for a good 6 months to 1 year before being eligible for applying a credit card. These days they want the card right away from starting work on the pretext of "emergency purposes" and not realizing the danger of using credit card to survive.
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Yes, sad but probably the result of the overall "Malaysia Boleh" mentality, especially the graduates, with over 90% thinking that its their goddamn entitlement. Good example is the study loan fiasco. We are probably emulating the US back in the 80s but with worst off social obligations at that.

Guess they will need to learn their lesson the hard way but then they will probably drag everyone along with them. The govt already forsee the trend, thus the encouragement to move to debit cards but ......... rclxub.gif

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post Sep 27 2010, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(rockefeller @ Sep 27 2010, 09:08 AM)
need NOT show income document.

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I would guess your spending over the past year or so must have been impressive, right? brows.gif
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post Sep 29 2010, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Sep 29 2010, 12:21 AM)
That is so true ! Anyway, have not heard from them yet regarding my card application. Going to call them this Friday if still no update from them. Worst case scenario ? Pledge a few thousands to get the card.

As for the CIMB Bank World MasterCard, i have to wait until my fixed deposit matures which i renewed for 60-month in 2007 before i can finally transfer some to CIMB Bank. Interest rate for 60-month fixed deposit was high then and the interest payout frequency is on a monthly basis. The huge interest rate cut in 2009 had no impact on this particular fixed deposit account of mine at all  tongue.gif
HIGH FIVE mate !!!  thumbup.gif
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Since you had already been rejected before, the reasons will still be in the bank's system for some time, so be prepared for the worst unless your FD is substantial enough to divert their attention. As a basic requirement, CIMB requires RM150K to be eligible for auto approval of Plat card, so I would guess for their WMC, RM300K should be adequate. However, if you can, go for RM500K and above and ask for an invitation for their Enrich WMC and you are there rclxms.gif
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post Sep 29 2010, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(winner @ Sep 29 2010, 12:04 PM)
I saw a lot of repeat winners in the list. Most of them won grand prizes in both months. That's the loophole of this kind of contest.
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Yeap, and I got 2 Ipod Shuffle now ..... sad.gif
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post Sep 29 2010, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Sep 29 2010, 12:27 PM)
Yes. I am aware of the 6-month cooling off period which is why i only intend to try again next year. Besides, i can't come up with the money right now. It is a no-brainer to cancel that 60-month FD of mine simply to deposit some into CIMB Bank just to support my credit card application with them.
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To clarify, the 6 months cooling period is just that, a cooling period. It does not impunged your record and if I am not mistaken, it will also show in CRIS as well. Individual banks will have their respective records retention period and some banks keep their data forever tongue.gif


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QUOTE(ck3lam @ Sep 29 2010, 01:12 PM)
Did you win, winner?
Me too. Give one to my brother. Even worst, I still haven't received the first one yet  mad.gif
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Mine had to self collect from the EPIC Centre. They only sent the redemption letter. Maybe you can check with them?

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post Sep 30 2010, 07:56 AM

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QUOTE(ben83 @ Sep 29 2010, 08:12 PM)
Is UOB Lady's Platinum MC is really platinum cc or is it just by name only?
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YES, its definitely a plat card and other than the Mbf Lady Plat card, there are no other contender. Gives you tons of frrebies notworthy.gif


Added on September 30, 2010, 8:01 am
QUOTE(siutimtim @ Sep 30 2010, 02:03 AM)
my dad also got ask them is it hsbc card holder surely can get approve but the girl tell my dad they still need to check by damansara branch and no guarantee one le..my dad say they can easily find out whether you are really earn big income yearly or not by looking the home loan,HP and credit give by banks wo.. not sure correct or not lo..haha

my brother also got hsbc plat card and apply also not kena reject wo... his record is clean one also le..
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As I had mentioned before, the logic behind this is, if you are truly a high income earner, your expenditures will not be low. If you want guaranteed approval, your CRIS should show a consistent minimum over RM10K outflow per month over the past year. This would include HL, HP, CC repayments etc. If you are the exception to the rule, then income or strong financial documents would be required. So don't embarrass yourself if you do not meet the requirements. Good luck icon_rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(elnino @ Sep 30 2010, 07:18 AM)
Hi,

Recently I made a RM2k+ swipe for my mom's medical bill due to emergency, however I can only pay back at most extra RM500 per month. Previously I had never used my CC for other than petrol, thus I manage to pay in full each month. My question is:

1) Will it effect my CCRIS record?Or is it as long as I pay more than the minimum amount each month, my CCRIS will still be "0"?I'm not very clear on how CCRIS works. Hopefully someone could explain it. Thanks in advance.
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I also deem this a responsible use for a CC. if you are using a CIMB card, can convert to free instalments. Otherwise, can consider doing a BT as the interest will be cheaper. And no, it will not affect your CRIS as long as the minumum is paid every month. Good luck & God Bless smile.gif

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post Sep 30 2010, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Sep 30 2010, 10:18 AM)
Minimum consistent spending over RM10,000 per month on your existing card is definitely not enough. Been spending way more than that every month in the past one year. Spent even more in the past two months but that did not help either. And i do have a hire purchase loan under my name too. Newly approved about two months ago from EON Bank.
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I am very sorry to hear about that but that was the info I was given by a very informed source in CIMB itself. If what you said is true, there must be something that we are not aware of as knew a few person in your situation and there were no problem at all. One is the son of a very close family friend, who is also a student like you, with no job and just only 20 years of age. However, he does have some money to his name, though not with CIMB. Applied via his HSBC Premier, as I recalled hmm.gif
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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Sep 30 2010, 05:13 PM)
Can a 20-year-old open a HSBC Premier account ? Because just two years ago it wasn't possible. Besides, i do not think he can have a principal credit card from any financial institution in Malaysia if he is only 20-year-old right ? Anyway, i used that card to back my application too last week.

By the way, i am not exactly sure if the bank can see how much we have spent on our existing credit card(s) in the past 12-month because only these are shown in our CCRIS credit report :
- total outstanding as of xx/xx/xx
- credit limit of each card
- total active cards owned
- collateral type
- any missed payments in the last 12-month etc.
Or probably banks can see even more information. Not sure though  hmm.gif
It depends i guess. Could be a good thing but could also be a bad thing. It's a good thing if you've not missed a single payment  smile.gif
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Hi, my bad. Misremembered. He is 21. Getting old lately and memory a little rusty. MY apologies notworthy.gif and thanks for pointing it out.

The bank's CRIS is a little different from ours. Other than the above, it will also show the amount transacted for each month and also repayment etc. Only thing it does not show is our deposits, thus that's why additional docs are at times requested for tongue.gif

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post Oct 10 2010, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(samquah @ Oct 10 2010, 09:20 AM)
about credit limit

how much can we ask the bank to increase the CL too if we can provide payslip of 10k?
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RM30K would be about the max you can expect. Used to be can get higher but banks are more prudent nowadays with the exception of CIMB. But it also depends on your overall credit exposure. Good luck.


Added on October 10, 2010, 10:37 am
QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Oct 8 2010, 09:06 PM)
It is not recommended to use EON Bank credit card overseas due to the higher than market average foreign currency administrative charge which is 2%.
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Its no longer 2% but 1% as with most banks.

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post Oct 11 2010, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(wongpeter @ Oct 11 2010, 12:47 PM)
Yes that is so unfair isn't it. Since it's a free country I suggest you don't pay it. I am quite sure they can't issue a warrant of arrest out on you for non-payment. Maybe they'll just put a blackmark on your CTOS or is it CCRIS and then you'll never be eligible for a loan or cc application ever again. But that's just a small price to pay. The important thing is that you get to save the 50 bucks and that is all that matters!
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Well, its not maybe they will just blackmark you in CRIS ..... its a definite as all unpaid transactions will be flagged sad.gif

But on the bright side, its not forever, as after 6 months, they will probably write off the debt, which means, its just a total of 2.5 years before your CRIS is clean once again thumbup.gif
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post Oct 12 2010, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(rayfoo @ Oct 11 2010, 07:20 PM)
KUALA LUMPUR, 11 OCTOBER, 2010: The imposition of the annual RM50 service tax on credit cards has brought the desired effect, with a 16 percent drop in card ownership - from 10.8 million at the end of 2009 to 9.1 million in mid-2010, the Dewan Rakyat was told today.


Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Seri Awang Adek Hussein said the drop showed that some holders of the cards did not use them.


Furthermore, the RM25 service tax on each supplementary card had also resulted in many of these card holders returning the cards, he said when replying to a supplementary question from Datuk Baharum Mohamed (BN-Sekijang).


Baharum had wanted to know whether the government intended to revoke the service tax, which was imposed on Jan 1. Awang Adek said the government had no intention as of now to remove the tax.


Earlier, when replying to the original question from Baharum, Awang Adek said that up to last month, the government had collected RM275.5 million in credit card service tax.


Awang Adek said the service tax on credit and charge cards was imposed for the first time on Jan 1, 1997 and revoked on April 1, 2001.


He said that between Jan 1, 1997 and April 1, 2001, the tax collected amounted to RM464.88 million.


Replying to a supplementary question from Dr Tan Seng Giaw (DAP-Kepong), Awang Adek said the government encouraged the use of debit cards, on which the service tax was not imposed.
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These figures are until Oct only. Lots of people got signed on in Nov & Dec, plus banks like CIMB practically renewed their entire cards line back late last year. I would wager a lot more cancellation within the next 2 months tongue.gif

Plus if you read carefully, they only collected RM274M in taxes so far as opposed to an almost RM500M expectation. Having said that, I will be cancelling another 3 cards next month. Come to think of it, I had deprived the govt of more than RM1.5K in tax revenue. never felt better thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Jt2020 @ Oct 11 2010, 09:45 PM)
Govt not stupid,
Imagine:
9.1 million card holders in mid-2010 x Rm50 each = RM450++ million in their pocket
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Definitely not stupid but think we are stupid hmm.gif ....... Greedy though vmad.gif
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QUOTE(MNet @ Oct 12 2010, 01:37 PM)
What card line?
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It basically meant their range of credit cards tongue.gif
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QUOTE(rockefeller @ Oct 13 2010, 12:17 AM)
i'm curious why would standard chartered ruin the exclusivity of world mastercard by imposing a relatively low requirement for it as compared to cimb / da / mbf's RM 200k per annum income or maybank's RM 240k per annum income.
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Actually its still pretty exclusive ie. akin to the HSBC Premier, albeit not as up market. If you check the terms carefully, there is a need to maintain at least RM75K in deposits in their M a/c, failing in which an RM50 monthly charge will be levied. Do note that the card is not listed for casual application but symbolises their Preferred Banking offerings ie. package deal. Comparatively, it aren't too bad either as their branch service does put CIMB to shame tongue.gif


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QUOTE(siutimtim @ Oct 13 2010, 12:54 AM)
....... haha you go to shopping center and most of the promoter also dunno what is world card.. they think is normal card only le... lower class than gold.. haha
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Well, that's ignorant sales people for you. Not much we can do about that sad.gif

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