Ok, I have some questions regarding my new computer.
Below is the list of devices of my new computer.

Asus Rampage II Extreme
I7 975 Extreme Edition.
Cosair Tripple Channel High Performance Ram 6GB (1600C8LD)
AsusENT GTX480 320bits
Operating System-Windows 7 64bits
Cooler Master 750w Power Supply

Together With My Old Devices (I know is abit funny but I really run our of money.)
*IDE 40GB Hardisk
*And Those Old Devices(mouse, keyboard, monitor & etc)

Ok the problem is
*1st The Graphic Card Doesn't Performe Like What I Have Expected.
I expect the fps to be 100 or over, BUT i Only get (50-90)fps Using 3D Benchmark Vantage.
The Heat Is Really High, When I am playing StarCraft 2 with Maximum Spec.("Means All Set To Ultra")
But Playing StarCraft2 is Smooth & No Lag At All (100% Good)

*I Personally Don't Think The IDE Hardisk Affect Much To The Performance (Yes, but not much).

*Speaking about Over Clocking (I don think is necessary to OverClock my Corsair Ram and Processor)
Because When I Run StarCraft 2, My New Computer System Didn't Even Fully Utilize The I7975 Processor, and the God Damm 6GB Cosair Ram.
Yet When I Touch The Processor And The Cosair Ram. I Didn't Feel They Are Hot Compare With The ASUSGTX480.(Which Is Much More Hotter Then The Ram and Processor)
So, does anyone here knows what is the problem? Or you think BY RIGHT ==> What I Have Bought Shouldn't Get What I Have Expected for sure.

MY Requirement Towards The ASUSENT GTX480 1.5GB 320bits
100 fps or higher (This is important)
Lower Heat (Not So Important)

***** AAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!! SO WHAT I CAN DO NOW ???? I FEEL SO SAD LOOKING AT THE ******* PERFORMANCE OF MY NEW COMPUTER.
***** My Heart Is Like ==> OOHHHH MY GOD~~~~ IT SEEMS LIKE THE PERFORMANCE IS LOWER THEN THOSE OUTDATED GRAPHIC CARDS BELOW THAN RM1500 ONE


One more Extra Question
*Since my mainboard supprt CrossFire, do u think i can add one more Cheap Graphic Card(Cheap means Rm500-Rm600) without changing the power supply?

This post has been edited by male_012: Aug 11 2010, 12:53 PM

erk...... u play at what resolution??? 2560x1600....?? maybe your hard disk is too small.... try upgrading your hard disk to at least 250gb one....

and for the heat, yeah it's already well known that gtx480 produce lot of heat...

u see here --> http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-...li-review/14.... u need 3-way sli to get 100fps in vantage graphic test....

i like to hear what other people say about this ....

This post has been edited by zariel: Aug 11 2010, 01:03 PM

upgrade ur harddisk to sata, SATA more faster...
even ur mobo got crossfire, but it for ATI only, not NVIDIA.
and if u want multi GPu setup, u need 2 same GPU..
please google a lot

So you think it is normal to get (50-90)fps with a single AsusENT GTX480 1.5GB 320bits Graphic Card?
I play at 1280X768 resolution. Why u ask? What do U mean by the last sentence? (I like to hear....)

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Added on August 11, 2010, 1:43 pmOooouuuu, I knew that (coz I did research before i buy), but I forgot already since i'm too sad for what i had bought.
So the only way is to get another RM1700 GTX480 graphic card.

Hey, so u guys think that the SO DAMM EXPENSIVE GTX480 is supposed to get (50-90)fps as well?

This post has been edited by male_012: Aug 11 2010, 01:44 PM

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What a waste of money...

For RM 8k, a good monitor and an SSD is valuable. Anything less than 1920x1080 is a waste. SSDs are also strongly recommended for overall system responsiveness.

Cutting back on the i7 975, the 6 GB RAM and the GTX 480 to get the monitor and the SSD is an easy choice to make.

Your posts are horribly hard to read but I'll do my best trying to understand them...

1) New hard disk. A WD Caviar black or faster would be a good fit. Your IDE drive is probably horribly fragmented due to the lack of space.
2) Are you using the latest nvidia drivers? Or whatever was in the asus cd?
3) If SC2 made near full use of 6GB of RAM, you'd hear nonstop whining from players over it being a memory hog. Most gaming rigs barely use 4GB at most.
4) The GTX 480 is known to be both very powerful AND very hot.
5) SC2 is designed for dual core CPUs and thus wouldn't use the i7 975 to its fullest.
6) The Rampage 2 extreme supports SLI too, but I don't think you should add another GTX 480, the power supply will be really strained with that inside.

IMO, that's 7900 bucks poorly spent, you should've gotten a GTX 480 with a better cooler (hell, you could even buy another card for SLI) rather than spend on the i7 extreme that you don't even know how to make use of to its fullest.

My suggestion:
-Sell the i7 975 and replace it with an i7 930. You'd probably pocket almost RM2000 for that.
-Use the extra money to get a quality 1080p monitor (such as those Dell Ultrasharps) and a real hard drive.
-No need to upgrade your graphics performance, it's not like you can see 90fps on a 60fps monitor anyway.

This post has been edited by yimingwuzere: Aug 11 2010, 02:23 PM

SC2 already consumes around 12 GB of HDD space if I'm not mistaken. 40 GB of HDD space is really too little.

Change your CPU to less performance.

Reduce your RAM to 2-4 gig.

Then use extra money from those trades to buy LN2 cooling set for your GTX480.

Then you just overclock your GTX480 to reach 100+ FPS!!!

Go go go! You can do it! I support!

This post has been edited by JackAlvins: Aug 11 2010, 02:35 PM

HMMM extreme proc which are not overclocking is utterly waste,might as well as get 920/930 and oc to 4.2ghz save you lots of money...spec is too overkill for a reso 1280X768..

HDD most probably going to bottleneck the whole system...the building combo is seriously wasted and not practical.

3d vantage benchmanrk is synthetic, doesnt matter how good is your performance in it. real world test/gaming is the only benchmarking that you should do..

compare your score with other people with same graphic card and check their spec and check your spec to see what is missing and how big is your gap in the score.

Such a waste, mind me but really...like everyone said, SSD & also others are much more important then getting yourself a good card without any excellent cooler like Jack suggested, a good 1080p monitor like yiming suggested...40GB, IDE some more

Why is it important for 100 fps in game? Can you differentiate 50 fps and 100 fps with your eyes?
Still, get a larger HDD/SSD, really make me doubt about you really got this system or not since windows + SC2 already over 20GB as mention by people above.

e-penis my fren. i cant input any good comment other than saying that this thread is really lol-able...

agree with yimingwuzere

first, you are running a benchmarking tool that is used to rank graphic cards, if ur single card GTX480 can hit 100++ fps..then dual card setup or above will have even higher result, which is not really helping in terms of benchmark ranking. 3D Mark Vantage is meant to be very very heavy that normally games wont even have.

you have asked this:
"So you think it is normal to get (50-90)fps with a single AsusENT GTX480 1.5GB 320bits Graphic Card?"
and my answer is yes, if scores are so easily gained in a benchmarking tool, it will lose its standard already

second, ur monitor is only 60hz, so anything above 60fps is wasted, so why bother with 3 digit fps?
IMO, you current concern would be dropping the graphic card temperature...
by doing that, u can overclock your graphic card more, and as i recall, GTX 480 is actually very overclockable, but was limited by its heat..so u drop the heat, u can overclock it higher, and u might get 3 digit fps

I guess this is your biggest problem. Such an expensive rig with a crappy hard disk.

Upgrade to an SSD or Samsung hard disk.

and by the way, what software did you use to monitor your framerate in Starcraft II?

I think your answer lies in ur old 40GB IDE harddisk.Like any mechanical device, a harddisk can age overtime and may not produce the same throughput when it was first bought.Plus this 40GB should be the ancient type running on 5400 rpm. The data read/write may also be insufficient for high end games like SC2.

Have u ever wondered why after some time of constant installing/unistalling and downloading of stuff, your windows feels slow and unresponsive.The answer lies in your harddisk. New SSD doesnt have problem of fragmentation because they work in a different way.

A decent 250GB SATAII wont cost much. You be amazed by the difference.I know cause I upgraded my harddisk just last month from my old IDE.

This post has been edited by 779364: Aug 11 2010, 02:47 PM

for HDD i think it's better to trust Western Digital or Seagate..personally i wont trust samsung with HDD

my fren using i7 980x with cf hd5870, very very powerful, maybe u can try this setup...

Should have used the money wisely ...well, its your money, your configured rig...

i7 dunno how to utilized it to the fullest and also the 6GB RAM (do you really need this speed??)

this build is seriously unbalanced... overkill system but the display and HDD is too weak..

should remove the focus from CPU and get a full hd monitor and a better HDD... or SSD..

GTX480 play games on 1280 x 768 and what's more, kick a$$ spec' but 40GB IDE . Seriously, go upgrade your HDD like everybody said and a good quality LCD.

with rm7900 can get a high end pc with custom water cooling setup

Problem now is the IDE HDD~~
The rest are working nicely....but 1 thing caught my eyes, GTX480 with 320bit GDDR5? GTX480 supposed to be 384bit, 320bit is for the GTX470

u want 100fps???

most, if not all, RTS games limit the framerate to 30fps...

so u think 100fps is useful???



quote from: Guru3D.com

yeah bro...
8k budget is a heaven for custom watercooling loop....

for an 8k system, it's crap. Sorry, had to say it.

Change your HDD to a newer one like a Samsung F3 Spinpoint 1TB or Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB. Your HDD transfer speed is bottlenecking your com.

just a SSD
since you can get a 8k rig
sure you can spend another 300-500 to get a SSD

hahhahahahaha really he bought it? please proof it with a picture.... kind a hard to believe his story....

lol...rm7900 flush down to longkang..not well planned at all

I bought a new rig, cost at about 1.5k with a graphic card at a price half of your "cheap graphic card".

Able max out all settings (ultra) and on 1900 x 1024 without problem.

If you actually follow on Starcraft II news, there is a known problem by Blizzard, which cause the graphic card to overheat, or even damage cards that are insufficiently cooled.

A quick fix would be adding these two entries in variables.txt:
frameratecapglue=30
frameratecap=60

Yeap, cap at 60fps.

About CPU and RAM, I'm only running an I3 with 1x2GB ram and it didn't fully utilize both of them either.

I'm not sure about this but maybe it has to do with V-Sync? Maybe your monitor is not able to keep up with the refresh rate.

You spent your money all in the wrong places without much research I guess.

yeah he's right. it's a well said advice and u shall take it. next time, google and then ask 1st not google and buy and ask. lol make it a lesson.

Wow ur system for that resolution.... Ur eyes cant detect any different...

My system already more than enough for my use even i am heavy gamer.

and i am using 1360 x 768

U r like running a BMW machine with a kancil engine... just change your hdd bro... u will see a major difference

Change HDD to Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB.
/Profit

i think u meant BMW body with a kancil engine

its more like a porsche with a kancil engine.... RM 7900 gone poooffff just like that.... wasted

TS, i think u can try what majority people suggested here, sell off the i7 extreme, get a decent i5(yes, i5 is already enough in most cases), and change ur HDD, keyboard mouse, and maybe even LCD monitor..and also a aftermarket cooler for the GTX 480 so that it can run at lower temperature

Its hard to believe that.
Pic pls.

lol, idiot spotted.

petition for this to be moved to kopitiam? either the dude is quite illiterate with computer hardwares and wanna blow water by simply buying everything that is suggested by a computer shop, or... *shrug* no comment.

that 980x and gtx480 and corsair hx850 can easily get slightly downgraded to 950, gtx470, and corsair hx750, and he can easily get a 22" HD lcd and 1 more ssd, and 1tb hdd.

i dunno if the TS really owns that computer
cuz seriously, u dun need that high spec playing starcraft 2
and why test starcraft 2 only?
why not crysis? oblivion? fallout 3? dragon age? mass effect?
i ran all those games at max settings on a less than rm2k machine at 1600x1200, and no lag at all

Since TS is so rich, just get the SSD and raid it. Instant improvement.

If you take that almost RM 2,000 and top it up a little, you might be able to buy a Dell Ultrasharp U2711 that is currently on sale for RM 2,199 in the small business section. But tomorrow is the last day for that deal, so you would have to sell that chip extra fast and get the money. Of course, you would still be out of luck on the hard disk that is in dire need of upgrading.

i7 930 is more than enuf already. i wish it is real, so i can continue lol at TS stupidity level.

Why you get this high priced mobo?


I don't think you need this monster processor for gaming.
A i5 760 is very enough.


6GB is useless in gaming.
For high end gaming, 4GB is already more than enough.
Additionally, you don't even oc your rig.
The high performance RAM is plainly a waste.


"This graphic card is designed to run hot.", Nvidia said.


Because of imbalanced build.


"This graphic card is designed to run hot.", Nvidia said.


Complain for what, then?


Harddisk won't affect the gaming performance, it affects loading speed only.


That's why members here won't recommend a super processor and performance ram for gaming.


Cool processor not good? Lol.
Again : "This graphic card is designed to run hot.", Nvidia said.


Why so important? Benchies is just a testing for reference, the most important part is : Smooth gameplay experience.


No, unless you have a fuzion mobo.

I will go for i7 870, msi p55-gd65, 4gb value ram, 2xHD5970, water cooling, 80GB SSD, 850W PSU for RM8k. It pwns your rig.
I can use a RM1.5k rig to run sc II as smooth as yours in same settings.

Last Advice : Perhaps you can ask for spec quoting at here when you are going to get a rig.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Aug 11 2010, 05:41 PM

Yes, Kingkingykk said all the truth.
If I am TS, I would buy 2x Geforce GTX480 or 2x Radeon HD5970, a LGA1366 Motherboard(any brand) and Core i7 930 with a big PSU. I think it will be around RM 7000 only. Yes, it overkills TS's RM 7900 PC in term of gaming.

Take note that Core i7 975X is in my banlist. Because it's too expensive for it's performance. RM 9XX Core i7 930 is just a few percents weaker than Core i7 975X(RM 3XXX). In addition, when come to gaming, Processor is not the MAIN KEY. GRAPHIC CARD IS. That's why a Core i5 750 is already more than enough for gaming. Core i7 975X already overkill or don't have any performance gain or can be said as "waste".

This post has been edited by DarkSilver: Aug 11 2010, 05:36 PM

@kingkingyyk: i am rather interested in the spec for the 1.5k rig that can run max on SCII...my friend is getting a new rig with the budget of 1.5k, and will use it for gaming..

It is in my recommendation table.
It can run SC II smoothly on 1680x1050, but don't expect it can run on 4xAA + 1680x1050.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Aug 11 2010, 06:10 PM

OK OK. I just finished working and reached home. I just finished reading most of the comments.

First point (Get a new monitor)
Yes: I'll get one new monitor with Full HD which will be around RM500-600 within 2 months.

Second point (A new Hardisk)
Yes: I'll get another new hardisk for sure. For u guys info. Starcraft 2 only needs 8.05GB space.
*I don need you guys to trust me whether or not i really got this system as I already had it.

Third point(SSD)
Please forgive me. I really don't know what is SSD (i'm really interested at it), because i heard someone said INSTANT RESULT will be got after getting that thing. So can anyone explain that to me?

ONE MORE POINT AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS POINT IS IMPORTANT OR NOT.
I got the words "Voltage Tweak" from the Asus Mainboard Cover and Asus ENT GTX 480 Cover.
I saw that device like a small thing which can be installed to the mainboard. Is that Important?
Will that small thing can improve my gaming performance?

I BUY THIS PC FOR GAMING PURPOSE

For your info I'll probably not sell any component of my new PC, because what i need to do is just add somemore money to the computer to make it perfect. (Which will be not a problem for me)
But I don't wanna spend too much, meaning to say ==> RM1000-RM2000 for enhancement

ANOTHER ONE MORE IMPORTANT POINT. WHICH TO LET U GUYS KNOW THAT I'm NOT A STUPID IDIOT.
THE PRICE 7900 IS INCLUDED THE ORIGINAL PRICE OF I7 975 EXTREME EDITION IN THE MARKET.
BUT.............. I GOT THAT FOR ONLY 1800. SO THE PRICE I HAVE SPENT SHOULD BE
7900-(1800 OR 2000)=6100 OR 5900

This post has been edited by male_012: Aug 11 2010, 06:34 PM

SSD is a storage drive like HDD, but it does not have any moving parts inside instead it is made up of flash chips.
When read data, HDD read head needs to wait for the disk to spin to the place of data ( O(n) ), while SSD does not require. ( O(1) )
This makes SSD very fast.

Second Point: funny...i tot i seen people saying the game is more then 10GB? also, you don have other stuff to store meh??

Third Point: SSD means Solid State Drive. It has smaller capacity then typical harddisk(normally it would be 40GB, 80GB 120GB), but compared to typical harddisk, it has very very fast read/write rate, i think can be up to 200++mb/s read/write rate...people that have budget, like you, normally get a 40GB or 80GB version, install their OS in it, so that it loads way faster compared to HDD, you can also install frequent played games, for your case, SCII, in it to speed up your game loading speed by a huge margin

and for parts that comes after that:
honestly...there's so many things that i can say right now..but i will say one thing...

why, would you, someone that doesnt know much about hardware, buy such high end motherboard and i7 core?
most of us here sees this, hence we suggest you to sell off your CPU (motherboard cant be sold anymore, your W7 key is tied to it), as you will never fully utilize it...for CPU, high end models are ALWAYS for overclockers that try to push their core to the limit, and as for you, i don suppose you even overclock? If that's the case, you are really waste the potential you are having with that CPU. Since you aint gonna fully unleash its potential, why let your money waste there, where you can spend them in a much better way instead?
as for the motherboard, it would also only be bought by overclockers, as higher end motherboards provide better stability when overclocked. So, again, you don overclock, you don really need it...and please please please...don touch anything under the 'advance menu', especially those that are related to voltage...those are really not for people who don know much about hardware.

you are buying the PC for gaming purpose, but your PC serve more as a limit overclocking machine more then gaming machine...

seriously, although you might loss some money by selling off your CPU...but the real question is, do you really need it?
you are wasting money on things that you do not need, and we care, hence we suggest you to sell off and get something else instead..
btw, while you're at it, sell of the ram also, you aint overclock, you aint needing it either

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Added on August 11, 2010, 6:51 pmnot just that...if i remember correctly( pls correct me if wrong), SSD is actually a few flash storage in it running in RAID 0 config, so the transfer speed will normally be very very high..and since it doesnt have any moving parts, it's dropping it will not damage it either, unless the impact is so hard that the internal broke

This post has been edited by BBXiong: Aug 11 2010, 06:51 PM

sad.. 8,000 rig but no WC..

make me wanna cry

TS, u should use ur money for charity purpose....not building this waste-of-money-not-going-anywhere rig.

This post has been edited by wanakin: Aug 11 2010, 07:11 PM

Oooo. No problem I wouldn't take your words seriously hhahahaha. I buy good processor and ram coz i planned to use them for a long period like 5-6 years. I know overclocking will decrease the life-time of the components thats why i just buy the components that support overclock but do not OC it. So that i can use longer. Also whenever i need ovorclock features THERE IS ALWAYS A CHOICE FOR ME TO CHOOSE YES OR NO. Thats why i buy it. As I said i have another rm2000 that will make my computer perfect. So i need to know what to enhance so that i can make it perfect. Regarding whether i know how to OverClock or not that is not a problem coz (I CAN LEARN).

You see after i got my Monitor, SSD and learn how to do OverClocking. That will make my computer perfect right ? So no problem.. i only need money and time to improve my computer. All the kick ass components in my computer will not be wasted hehehhehehe. YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This post has been edited by male_012: Aug 11 2010, 07:12 PM

Dude.. the monitor only is 60Hz per second.. I wonder does it matter if anything above 60 counts?

If u mean in terms of future proof yes ur rig could last you maybe 4 years gaming on high or medium @ 1080p/1920x1080? I think la lol..

By that time, your rig are outdated...
With today and after tomorrow technology, hardware cycle is very fast. Take a look to Well good Core 2 Quad 9k series to i5 series. Graphic card? motherboard?

Ohh that one is another story already--> which i don care. And also there is one more point. When My processor and ram are fast enough which don even need overclock to perform, besides of needless to OC. I ALSO NO NEED TO GET MONEY FOR COOLER SYSTEM . GOT IT ? SINCE MY COMPONENTS ARE FAST ENOUGH. YEAH!!!!!!!!!

Come on la. Don't just say my components wasted, this and that or something. I don wanna hear that coz there must be pros and cons. ALL YOU NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW IS SUGGEST ME TO PERFECT MY COMPUTER WITH RM2000.

This post has been edited by male_012: Aug 11 2010, 07:40 PM

Then why you get performance RAM? Value RAM is more than enough.
I can guarantee, if you are given same 2 builds to perform gaming with only the RAM different, you can't tell which 1 is with performance RAM.

Sell your CM 750W away, get a 850W PSU.
Then get another GTX480 to SLI.
You can get 60% performance improvement, at least.

You sir, obviously know nothing about gaming PCs and only get such an expensive PC because you want to show off that you are too rich. This i understand. Look at your title also know already. Need to mention RM7900 boh? You obviously don't know what each and every of your hardware is capable of. i7 Extreme and GTX480 are not godly. There are still things that they cannot handle given a certain situation.

100fps? What the heck is that even for? i can put a game with 50fps in front of you vs a 100fps and i bet you can't even differentiate it.

Give me 5k and i still can build a decent system that can kick your system butt in term of performance. It's all about balance and optimization, not going everything max and end up with hardwares bottlenecking one another. I bet you won't understand what i say anyway, for your system is ultimate high end and you are god and therefore 100+ fps is a must. All hail RM7900-for-nothing system.

This post has been edited by gzero: Aug 11 2010, 07:49 PM

Yes you are right, your system is wayyyyyyyy tooooo enough for your usage. Way too Overkill. No even need to overclock until you built another RM7900 system.

Cooler system...overclock with "RM90" CM hyper 212+ cooler can pwn many of forumer here.

Don't expect us to spoonfeed you bro. How to perfect your PC? I tell you what, you bring you Rig to the shop, and put RM2,000 on the table, and tell them to perfect it.

LOL 40GB OLD HDD ON THAT SPEC HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...............

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