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post Oct 4 2018, 12:15 PM

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1) pls spoonfeed us the answer lah, instead of we research
[/QUOTE]Among there is hundred of sutra or mantra, there must be a beginning where this sutra being start destroy or vanish from humankind. But why start with this sutra first rather than other?[QUOTE]

2) But i would say, this sutra is a candidate for first destruction, because the mahayana introduced idol worshipping. All those who made a vow to destroy its source, would have almost wipe clean all traces of idols in kushan empire (afghanistan etc) alas their job is incomplete

3) https://personal.carthage.edu/jlochtefeld/b...nchi/intro.html
When the Sanchi stupa was built, the Buddha was not portrayed in human form. Maybe he was seen as having transcended human understanding, or maybe the early Buddhists wanted to underline that he had transcended the condition of birth-and-death that marks embodied existence. Whatever the reason, in this early artwork the Buddha was portrayed by certain fixed symbols, each of which represents one of the pivotal events in his life. These symbols are: Lotus or Elephant (Birth) Tree (Enlightenment) Wheel (Preaching the First Sermon) Stupa (Parinirvana)

4) https://www.ngv.vic.gov.au/essay/a-kushan-b...dian-sculpture/
The sculpture produced at Mathura in this period, however, marked an important phase in the development of Buddhist art. There was a shift from the architectural relief in favour of the freestanding stele or statue. Of specific concern to the Melbourne Bodhisattva is the appearance of the earliest anthropomorphic representation of the Buddha Śākyamuni and bodhisattvas, spiritually advanced beings capable of attaining bodhi (enlightenment), both of which appear for the first time early in the Kushān period

The emergence of the concept of the bodhisattva in early Buddhist thought and practice is central to this problem. The background to this must be sought in the developing schism between the original Hīnayāna (‘Lesser Wheel’) and the ‘reformist’ and popularist Mahāyāna (‘Greater Wheel’) sects.16 The emphasis shifted from the historic personage of the Buddha Śākyamuni to the concept of Buddhahood as a state to be strived for by all, aided by the intervention of bodhisattvas. The seeds of the Mahāyānist concept of bodhisattva are to be found in the Hīnayāna Jataka stories, moralistic accounts of the historic Buddha’s previous lives as a bodhisattva and the selfless deeds he performed in his kindness to all living creatures. The word ‘bodhisattva’ recurs repeatedly in this context and such stories found visual expression in the relief sculptures on the stūpa railing at Bharhut, around 100 B.C.

Two inscriptions are particularly helpful in attempting to date the emergence of the bodhisattva as an object of worship. The first appears on a silver scroll excavated at Taxila, which A. L. Basham maintains cannot be later than the second half of the 1st century A.D.19 This inscription refers to a private bodhisattva chapel (Bosisatvagaha). The second inscription was found at Govindnagar in Mathura in 1976. It is a dated inscription on the excavated base of a now lost image, which describes the figure as ‘Amitābha Buddha’.20 R. Sharma equates the inscription date to A.D. 106. In addition there is the case recently presented by P. Pal for dating the Ahicchatra Maitreya (fig. 10) to A.D. c.82, on the basis of stylistic parallelism, which would make it the earliest known representation of the bodhisattva in India.

[quote=nash_ph_41,Oct 3 2018, 05:03 PM]
I'm adopting way of Bodhisattva .sos
This is my daily practice everyday.
Uphold 5 percept
Adapt vegetarian lifestyle (without 5 pungent)
Recrite and chant sutra,mantra and Buddha name.
Shurangama mantra is my uphold most.

On Buddhism practice, prolonged with the sutra we read and understand, the most essential is experience by ourself the path that Buddha show us. Some practice meditation,some use sutra and mantra.just try to search way of cultivation that suit to us.

All this practice should be help daily,just like having meal everyday.By the time accumulated and practice you would feel they joy and blissful upon this.

Many bless.
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5) thanks for sharing on Bodhisattva and at least we are doing something, as none of us will be around by year 2100

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Whoever was the monk during that time, kushan/afghanistan etc area was a serene peaceful sight to meditation. Above pictures the view from bamiyan cave. Such a masterful carving creation of the statue from the bamiyan cliffs

6) https://www.unbelievable-facts.com/2018/04/...-new-finds.html
The destruction of the statues revealed 50 caves behind them, and the caves contained a number of important discoveries including the world’s oldest oil paintings. The caves had been used as homes for monks. In the caves, scientists found oil paintings. They are the oldest oil paintings ever discovered, and they date from hundreds of years before oil paint was used in Europe. Another important discovery found in the caves was a translation of the original Sanskrit Pratītyasamutpāda Sutra. This is a document that spells out the basic beliefs of Buddhism. It was written on birch bark. It’s the first time a sutra was found inside an Afghan Buddha statue.

7) http://factsanddetails.com/china/cat2/4sub8/entry-5452.html
To the north-east of the royal city there is a mountain, on the declivity of which is placed a stone figure of Buddha, [p.51] erect, in height 140 or 150 feet. Its golden hues sparkle on every side, and its precious ornaments dazzle the eyes by their brightness. To the east of this spot there is a convent, which was built by a former king of the country. To the east of the convent there is a standing figure of Sakya Buddha, made of metallic stone (teou-shih), in height 100 feet. It has been cast in different parts and joined together, and thus placed in a completed form as it stands.

8) Sutra on Dependent Arising (Skt. Pratītyasamutpāda-sutra) http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=S...pendent_Arising
All phenomena originate from causes,
The Tathagata has taught these causes,
And also that which puts a stop to these causes,
This too has been taught by the Great Shramana.

9) These words were used by the Arahat Assajī (Skr: Aśvajit) when asked about the teaching of the Buddha. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye_Dharma_Hetu
The Bukit Meriam inscription from Kedah includes two additional lines. The inscription is now in the Indian Museum, Calcutta. Other similar inscriptions were found in the Kedah region.[5]

Ye dharmma hetuprabhavā hetun-teṣān-Tathāgata āha,
teṣān-ca yo nirodha evam-vādi Mahāśramaṇaḥ

Ajñānāc-cīyate karmma, janmanaḥ karmma kāraṇam
jñānān-na cīyate karmma, karmmābhāvān-na jāyate.

The additional lines can be translated as
Through ignorance karma is accumulated, the cause of birth is karma.
Through knowledge karma is not accumulated. Through absence of karma, one is not reborn.




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post Oct 4 2018, 04:02 PM

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where to find? google search, none turned up, no clue kah

QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Oct 4 2018, 02:06 PM)
There are still Ariyas around in the world today.
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post Oct 9 2018, 10:38 AM

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can i be spoonfed the places/temples in malaysia/singapore where 8 fold path are being followed drool.gif

since sotapanna only got 7 rebirths, means high chance they won't see maitreya innocent.gif

"Sotapanna : the 'Stream-winner', is the lowest of the 8 noble disciples (s. ariya-puggala). Three kinds are to be distinguished: the one 'with 7 rebirths at the utmost' sattakkhattu-parama : the one 'passing from one noble family to another' (kolaṅkola), the one 'germinating only once more' (eka-bījī). As it is said (e.g. Pug. 37-39; A. III, 87)"

QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Oct 4 2018, 04:46 PM)
In places where the people follow the 8-fold path, keeps the precepts well, practice meditation - there you will find them.

Even you, my friend, can become Ariya yourself given the right practice  smile.gif

Very happy state - even the lowest Sotapanna (stream-enterers), will know by direct knowledge that the doors of hell, animal wombs, demons and ghosts are closed forever for them.
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post Oct 9 2018, 12:27 PM

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the british did a lot to collect all the info and piece together everything, karma does work in a strange way
even as buddhism dissapear from its country of birth, but because british colonise india
theoretical buddhist text would match practical places that was mentioned
however, the same can't be said for the kushan/mahayana who transform buddha worship from a symbol to an idol
britain could not fully colonise afghanistan and much research could not be done to match theory into practice blink.gif

1) http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/nuristan
NURISTAN (Nurestān), the “Land of Light,” a region to the northeast of Afghanistan, imbedded in the Hindu Kush valleys to the south of its main ridge. It was earlier known as Kafiristan (Kāferestān), land of the non-Islamic. Until the winter of 1895/96 the population of the region still preserved its old culture with roots in the very distant, pre-Christian, past. The people had succeeded in holding on to their ancient beliefs and “primitive” traditions while surrounded by a hostile Islamic world until the end of the 19th century. The temples, shrines, and cult places with their wooden effigies and multitudes of ancestor figures went up in flames, and only a few effigies were saved as trophies.

2) https://thewire.in/history/how-british-orie...-indian-history
Sir William Jones, alongside his day job as a judge in Calcutta, Jones studied and mastered Sanskrit, rescued it from a narrow Brahmin monopoly, translated its classics and used the language to unlock the glories of our long forgotten Hindu and Buddhist past.

3) https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertai...en-7468480.html
James Prinsep produced the biggest breakthrough in Indian historiography, the deciphering of the long-forgotten Brahmi script and through it the discovery of the Mauryan empire that had united the subcontinent in the 3rd century BC.

4) The discovery of the Buddha’s Indian connections was again the work of dedicated British explorers. In the late 1790s, a British naturalist, who had heard reports in Burma that the Buddha was a Bihari, tracked down the Bodh Gaya Buddhist ruins. In the following decades, the Buddha’s Indian roots were confirmed by the excavation of a series of mysterious, dome-like stupas. First came the discovery in 1818 by a British General, Mark Taylor. Sanchi had long lain buried in forests, thus escaping destruction by either the Brahmanical Hindu revival that wiped out Indian Buddhism or by the Muslim invasions that shattered so many temples. The stupas became the focus for further excavations by the man regarded as the father of Indian archaeology, Lieutenant Alexander Cunningham of the Royal Engineers.

5) https://www.tripadvisor.com.my/ShowUserRevi...ya_Pradesh.html
Of these the most remarkable is a large stone bowl, now lying on a small mound between the two principal Topes. The size of this bowl agrees so closely with that of the golden vessel, in which Asoka dispatched the "cutting" of the great Bo-tree to Ceylon, that it seems highly probable the Sanchi bowl must once have held a sacred tree. The name of Sanchi, or Sachi, is most probably only the spoken form of the Sanskrit Santi, the term Santi-sangham (the Santi community) can be found used in the inscription on the southern pillar of the Great Tope. The Chinese also transcribed santi by sa-chi, for they say that it signifies " silence, repose."

6) https://www.history.upenn.edu/coursepages/h...rial/sanchi.htm
The monastery at Sanchi was originally constructed by Bimbisara, king of Magadha and contemporary of the Buddha. It owes its present form to renovations by Ashoka and the later Shunga kings who through their support and patronage established Stupa worship as an institution in Buddhism.

7) https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/10/13/t...cture-in-india/
During the Satavahana period, the local population donated money for the establishment of the stupa to attain spiritual merit. Devotees who donated money towards a sculpture would often choose their favorite scene from the life of the Buddha and then have their names inscribed on it. rolleyes.gif

8) https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Sanchi_inscri...Chandragupta_II
The text is in Sanskrit and translation "Perfection has been attained! To the community of the faithful in the holy great vihâra of Kâkanâdabôta, -in which the organs of sense (of the members of it) have been subdued by the virtues of (good) character, religious meditation, and wisdom; which . . . . . . . . . . . . deeds of the very highest religious merit; which has come together from the four quarters of the world; (and) which is the abode of most excellent Shramanas,-having prostrated himself in an assembly of five persons, Amrakârdava the son of Undâna,-whose means of subsistence have been made comfortable by the favour of the feet of the Mahârâjâdhirâja, the glorious Chandragupta (II.); who is publishing in the world the amiable behaviour of the virtuous people who are the dependents (of the king); who has acquired banners of victory and fame in many battles; (and) who is an inhabitant of (the town of) Nashtî . . . . . . in the Sukuli dêsha,-gives (the village or allotment of) Îshvaravâsaka ……..purchased with the endowment of Maja and Sharabhanga and Amrarâta of the royal household, and (also gives) twenty-five dînâras. (Line 7.)-From [the interest of the dînâras] given by him,- with half, as long as the moon and the sun (endure), let five Bhikshus be fed, and let a lamp burn in the jewel-house, for the perfection of all the virtues of….the familiar name of Dêvarâja, ……. Of the Mahârâjâdhirâja, the glorious Chandragupta (II.); and with the other half, which is mine, let the same number of five Bhikshus be fed, and (let) a lamp (burn) in the jewel-house

QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Oct 5 2018, 08:23 AM)
If I am not mistaken, Sanskrit is a written language in Ancient India and Pali is a sub-dialect, spoken by the Buddha and his contemporaries.

Sanskrit is like Mandarin, Pali is like Hokkien.

Scholars generally agree that Pali was the language spoken and used by the Buddha himself.

Theravada uses the Pali Canon (Tipitaka - three baskets of collections ).

The Mahayana earlier sutras - has Pali Canon preserved which is  known as Agama Sutras

Agama sutras preserved in Mahayana sutras

Mahayana uses Sanskrit and has additional sutras not found in Pali Canon.

It shows there wasn't really Theravada or Mahayana in the earlier days of Buddhism, just one Dhamma , agreeable by all earlier Buddhists. The differences happened much later, initially there were some disagreement on the interpretation of the Vinayas (rules for  monks / nuns). Later, it got more serious when the groups don't sit together anymore. (Schism in Buddhism).
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post Oct 10 2018, 10:57 AM

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I have no idea the sotapanna 'maximum 7 rebirths in deva or human realm' but would you plan to go ahead with nirvana or wait maitreya?
Does it mean anathapindika did not attain nirvana?

QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Oct 10 2018, 08:11 AM)
Maximum 7 rebirths in deva or human realm. A sotapanna can take rebirth in Tusita heaven as a deva to meet Lord Metteya who is currently there now. smile.gif

The chief lay disciple of the Buddha, Anathapindika who is a Sotapanna , upon death took rebirth as a deva in Tusita heaven.  He came back that very night to pay respect to the Buddha , illuminating the entire Jeta grove with heavenly light.
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post Oct 10 2018, 02:32 PM

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Yes we all have to decide our own route towards this journey nod.gif https://everything2.com/title/Buddhaghosa
Buddhaghosa hopes that the merit he has earned by writing the Vishuddhimagga will allow him to be reborn in heaven, abide there until Metteyya (Maitreya) appears, hear his teaching and then attain enlightenment. Postscript to the Visuddhimagga

May it continue here to show
The way to purity of virtue, etc.,
For clansmen seeking out the means
To ferry them across the worlds
For just as long as in this world
Shall last that name “Enlightened One,”
By which, thus purified in mind,
Is known the Greatest Sage, World Chief.
By the performance of such merit
As has been gained by me through this
And any other still in hand
So may I in my next becoming
Behold the joys of Távatiísá,
Glad in the qualities of virtue
And unattached to sense desires.
By having reached the first fruition,
And having in my last life seen
Metteyya, Lord of Sages, Highest
Of persons in the World, and
Helper Delighting in all beings’ welfare,
And heard that Holy One proclaim
The Teaching of the Noble Dhamma,
May I grace the Victor’s Dispensation
By realizing its highest fruit.

QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Oct 10 2018, 12:05 PM)
Anathapindika  has attained the lowest state of enlightenment but not yet final Nibbana, but he would be destined to attain in within 7 lifetimes.

Well, one should strive to attain Nibbana asap. For us worldlings, our future births are not certain, and we don't even know what sort of evil karma that is walking behind us.

A being is only totally safe when he has at least attained Sotapanna, for gates of hell, animal wombs, demons and ghosts are closed for him.. forever.
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post Oct 10 2018, 04:38 PM

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no chance to find out, since nalanda university no longer exists devil.gif http://www.ancientpages.com/2015/08/24/nal...-ancient-world/

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lucky got ancient china for safekeeping some of the sutras for cross checking and also confirming the cave meeting of the first council, some physical works of raja asoka that withstood the test of time and the ancient monks risking their life to translate as much sutra as they can

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irregardless of theravada or mahayana, based on the ancients writings of monks Faxian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faxian & Xuanzang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xuanzang
we get to see sutta comes alive, stairs from heaven , relics during their era shining bright lights up to heaven , nagas , bodhi tree etc and also warnings about the calamity that was about to hit india, interesting, all this ancient monks has a desire to meet the next buddha

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below is TLDR and lots of good excerpt from that era , the same message we see from india to bukit meriam kedah , its key inscription remains the same
http://puratattva.in/2012/03/29/sanchi-bud...-sangham-9-1535
Sanchi - Buddhist creed on these tablets reads, ‘Ye dharma hetu-prabhava hetum tesham Tathagato-hy-avadatu tesham cha yo nirodha evamvadi maha-sramanah’. It translates, ‘Of these things (conditions) which spring from a cause, the cause has been told by Tathagata; and their suppression likewise the great Sramana has revealed’

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A) (A.D. 399-414) Faxian (1886). A Record of Buddhistic Kingdoms; being an account by the Chinese monk Fa-Hien of his travels in India and Ceylon, A.D. 399-414, in search of the Buddhist books of discipline. James Legge (trans.). The Clarendon Press, Oxford

1) FROM CH'ANG-GAN TO THE SANDY DESERT
Fa-Hsien had been living in Ch'ang-gan.(1) Deploring the mutilated and imperfect state of the collection of the Books of Discipline, in the second year of the period Hwang-che, being the Ke-hae year of the cycle,(2) he entered into an engagement with Kwuy-king, Tao-ching, Hwuy-ying, and Hwuy-wei,(3) that they should go to India and seek for the Disciplinary Rules

2) CHAPTER VII, CROSSING OF THE INDUS. WHEN BUDDHISM FIRST CROSSED THE RIVER FOR THE EAST icon_rolleyes.gif

The monks(6) asked Fa-Hsien if it could be known when the Law of Buddha first went to the east. He replied, "When I asked the people of those countries about it, they all said that it had been handed down by their fathers from of old that, after the setting up of the image of Maitreya Bodhisattva, there were Sramans of India who crossed this river, carrying with them Sutras and Books of Discipline. Now the image was set up rather more than 300 years after the nirvana(7) of Buddha, which may be referred to the reign of king P'ing of the Chow dynasty.(8) According to this account we may say that the diffusion of our great doctrines (in the east) began from (the setting up of) this image. If it had not been through that Maitreya,(9) the great spiritual master(10) (who is to be) the successor of the Sakya, who could have caused the 'Three Precious Ones'(11) to be proclaimed so far, and the people of those border lands to know our Law? We know of a truth that the opening of (the way for such) a mysterious propagation is not the work of man; and so the dream of the emperor Ming of Han(12) had its proper cause."

3) CHAPTER XXVII, PATALIPUTTRA OR PATNA, IN MAGADHA. KING ASOKA'S SPIRIT-BUILT PALACE AND HALLS.

Having crossed the river, and descended south for a yojana, (the travellers) came to the town of Pataliputtra,(1) in the kingdom of Magadha, the city where king Asoka(2) ruled. The royal palace and halls in the midst of the city, which exist now as of old, were all made by spirits which he employed, and which piled up the stones, reared the walls and gates, and executed the elegant carving and inlaid sculpture-work,—in a way which no human hands of this world could accomplish.

4) CHAPTER XXX, THE SRATAPARNA CAVE, OR CAVE OF THE FIRST COUNCIL.

North of the vihara two or three le there was the Smasanam, which name means in Chinese "the field of graves into which the dead are thrown."(2)As they kept along the mountain on the south, and went west for 300 paces, they found a dwelling among the rocks, named the Pippala cave,(3) in which Buddha regularly sat in meditation after taking his (midday) meal. Going on still to the west for five or six le, on the north of the hill, in the shade, they found the cavern called Srataparna,(4) the place where, after the nirvana(5) of Buddha, 500 Arhats collected the Sutras.

5) CHAPTER XXXVI, IN PATNA. FA-HIEN'S LABOURS IN TRANSCRIPTION OF MANUSCRIPTS, AND INDIAN STUDIES FOR THREE YEARS.

From Varanasi (the travellers) went back east to Pataliputtra. Fa-Hsien's original object had been to search for (copies of) the Vinaya. In the various kingdoms of North India, however, he had found one master transmitting orally (the rules) to another, but no written copies which he could transcribe. He had therefore travelled far and come on to Central India. Here, in the mahayana monastery,(1) he found a copy of the Vinaya, containing the Mahasanghika(2) rules,—those which were observed in the first Great Council, while Buddha was still in the world. The original copy was handed down in the Jetavana vihara. As to the other eighteen schools,(3) each one has the views and decisions of its own masters. Those agree (with this) in the general meaning, but they have small and trivial differences, as when one opens and another shuts.(4) This copy (of the rules), however, is the most complete, with the fullest explanations.(5)

He further got a transcript of the rules in six or seven thousand gathas,(6) being the sarvastivadah(7) rules,—those which are observed by the communities of monks in the land of Ts'in; which also have all been handed down orally from master to master without being committed to writing. In the community here, moreover, we got the Samyuktabhi-dharma-hridaya-(sastra),(8) containing about six or seven thousand gathas; he also got a Sutra of 2500 gathas; one chapter of the Parinir-vana-vaipulya Sutra,(9) of about 5000 gathas; and the Mahasan-ghikah Abhidharma.

In consequence (of this success in his quest) Fa-Hsien stayed here for three years, learning Sanskrit books and the Sanskrit speech, and writing out the Vinaya rules. When Tao-ching arrived in the Central Kingdom, and saw the rules observed by the Sramanas, and the dignified demeanour in their societies which he remarked under all occurring circumstances, he sadly called to mind in what a mutilated and imperfect condition the rules were among the monkish communities in the land of Ts'in, and made the following aspiration:—"From this time forth till I come to the state of Buddha, let me not be born in a frontier land."(10) He remained accordingly (in India), and did not return (to the land of Han). Fa-Hsien, however, whose original purpose had been to secure the introduction of the complete Vinaya rules into the land of Han, returned there alone.

B) (A.D. 602 – 664) The Life of Hiuen-Tsiang. Translated from the Chinese of Shaman (monk) Hwui Li. London. 1911 Beal, Samuel, trans.

1) At this time there was in the convent a Master of the Law, called King, who recited and preached upon the Sutra of the Mrvtoa. Hiuen-Tsiang having got the book, studied it with such zeal that he could neither sleep nor eat. Moreover he studied under the direction of Yen, doctor of the law, the Sdst7'a of the Great Vehicle {Mahdydna Sdstra) ; and thus every day his love for such studies increased. By hearing a book only once, he understood it thoroughly, and after a second reading he needed no further instructions, but remembered it throughout. All the assembly of priests were astonished, and when at their direction he mounted the pulpit, he expounded with precision and clearness the deep principles of Religion to the bottom. The Masters and honourable body of priests listened with attention ; he thus laid the foundation of his renown. At this time he was thirteen years old.

2) It was now the first year of Wu-T6h.^ At this time the country was without regular government, and all the troops were under arms. The books of Confucius, and the sacred pages of Buddha were forgotten, every one was occupied with the arts of war. There were therefore no further religious conferences in the capital, and the Master of the Law was greatly afflicted thereat And now the Master of the Law addressed his brother and said : " There is no religions business being attended to, and we cannot be idle, let us pass into the country of Shuh (Sz'chuen) and pursue our studies."

3) On the day of opening the Eeligious Conference, these men all came together to the place and offered jewels and precious things, as they bowed down and uttered the praises of the Master. And on their return to their several countries they loudly applauded the Master of the Law to their Eulers, saying that he was about to go west- wards to seek the Law in the country of the Brahmans.

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29) The Master of the Law remained with him first and last for two years, and studied a treatise on the difficulties of the Yidya-matra-siddhi ^astra, the I-i4i-lun, the Sitingwu-toai-lun, the ptch-chu-ni-pan-shih-i-yin-un-hm, the chwong-yan-hing-lun ; and he also asked explanations of passages in the Yoga and the Hetuvidy^ ^astras which yet caused him doubt. When this was done he unexpectedly dreamt in the night and saw all the chambers and courts of the Nalanda monastery deserted and foul ; moreover, there were nought but water buffaloes fastened in them, with no priests or followers. The Master of the Law entering through the Western gate of the hall of Baladitya raja, beheld on the top of the four-storeyed pavilion a golden coloured man, of a grave and imposing countenance,
whilst a glorious light shone within the entire abode. His mind was overjoyed, and he wished to ascend to the top, but he found no way to do so ; he then besought
him to reach down and lift him up—^but he replied : "I. am Manjusri Bodhisattva ; your karma does not yet admit of {such a privilege) "—and then pointing to the
outside of the convent, he said : '' Do you see that ? '' The Master of the Law looking in the direction indicated by his finger, saw a fierce fire burning without the convent, and consuming to ashes villages and towns. Then the golden figure said : " You should ^ return soon, for after ten years Siladitya raja will be dead,^ and India be laid waste and in rebellion, wicked men will slaughter one another ; remember these words of mine ! " After he had finished, he disappeared cry.gif

30 ) So towards the end of the Yung Hwei ^ period (i.e, about 654—5, A.D.), Slladitya raja died, and India was subjected to famine and desolation, as had been predicted. The imperial ambassador, Wang-iln-tse, was at this time making ready to be a witness of these things.^ It was now the beginning of the first month. It is in this same month, according to the rules of the Western country, they bring forth from the Bodhi convent (viz., at Gdya) the Sariras of Buddha. Both laymen and priests from all countries come together to witness the spectacle, and to worship. The Master of the Law, therefore, with Jayasena both went to see the relic-bones. These are both great and small. The large ones are like a round pearl, bright and glistening, and of a reddish-white colour. There are also Hesh-relics, large as a bean, and in appearance shining red. An innumerable multitude of disciples offered incense and flowers ; after ascribing praises and offering worship they take (the relics) back and place them in the Tower (stupa). After a little while the light of the lamps in the building was suddenly eclipsed, and within and without there was a supernatural illumination produced. On looking out they saw the relic-tower bright and effulgent as the sun, whilst from its summit proceeded a lambent flame of five colours, reaching to the sky. Heaven and earth were flooded with light, the moon and stars were no longer seen, and a subtle perfume seemed to breathe through and fill the courts and the precincts. Then it was noised abroad, from one to the other, that the sctTiras were exhibiting a mighty miracle. All the
multitude, being cognizant of it, came together, and again offered their adoration, and spoke in rapture of the wonderful sight. By degrees the light grew less and less, and when at the last moment it was about to die out, it seemed to encircle the dome of the tower several times, and then it was absorbed (as it were) within (the tower). And now heaven and earth were again wrapped in darkness, and the different stars once more appeared. All who witnessed this miracle were freed from doubts/ They then paid worship to the Bodhi tree, and also to the sacred vestiges, and eight days having passed they returned once more to the Nalanda monastery. nod.gif

QUOTE(teamjoker @ Sep 23 2018, 02:46 PM)
The real sutras in pali, Sanskrit or chinese? Got english version?
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