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post Dec 6 2016, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Oct 3 2016, 09:09 AM)
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I have a question.

Every year i request temple to do "chew dou" (Cantonese) for my late father in the chinese lunar 7th month plus every 1st and 15th day.

I am thinking of pre-paying the temple for future years (not checked yet with temple if it's ok to do so) for the same services.

What happens if I pass away during the "pre-paid" period of "chew dou" for my late father? ie can a deceased (ie me) do "chew dou" for another deceased (ie late father).

Can i also pre-pay for "chew dou" for myself ie starting from the year i pass away? AFAIK, the equivalent prayers for the living is called "prayers for karmic creditors".

your thoughts will be appreciated.

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post Dec 6 2016, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 6 2016, 10:50 AM)
I am not familiar with cantonese custom, can you tell us more about the "chew dou" ceremony?

is this the part where you put the ash of your late father in some temple where they will offer food/ prayers every year?
In buddhism, the departed relatives can benefit from our transfer of merits if they are born as Ghosts , and if they know that you are dedicating the merits to them. If they are not born as ghosts, then is our effort wasted?

The Buddha said never wasted, because in our infinite past, we are bound to have some relatives in the past lives that are still suffering in the ghost realm, and our transfer of merits will never be wasted or in vain smile.gif

As for your last question - why would you want to be born (or think that you will become one ) as a ghost when you die?  The ways to a happy birth has been taught by our Buddha, to humans and even the realms of the gods!!!
 

But just let's say you are born as a ghost, then I can imagine it's very hard for you to do any good there because - there is nothing to give there as there is no trading , commerce, etc at that place. The Buddha said it's very hard for us to regain a human birth once we lose it.
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My canto sux.

I think "chew dou" prayers is for deceased onli, maybe equivalent is "trf of merits" prayers?

No, my father's ashes are not at the temple where i tequest the "chew dou" prayers be done for him. AFAIK there's food offerings every 1st n 15th for my late father as well as prayers.

I hope someone who's familiar w this can explain it better than me.

I do not know if or wish i will reborn as a ghost or otherwise.

Just that if i hv made n paid for such prayers for my late father prior to my own passing - assuming that the temple homours its obligations, does it still "count"? Hv any effect since i won't be around anymore.
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post Dec 6 2016, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Oct 21 2016, 12:03 PM)
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I hv found some english explanation of "chao du" from a website.

"Salvation rites, also known as Chao-du (超度/超幽) rituals, are conducted for those who had departed and also for the ancestral spirits.

A. Salvation rites may be conducted for a family or loved one who had passed away. It is recommended for those died due to illnesses, accidents, especially those who died by committing suicide. The grievances and sufferings may be addressed, and the priests will pray for the sins and wrongdoings to be pardoned.

Rituals may be conducted during:

(a) Every 7th day after the death till the 49th day.

(b) 100th day after the death.

© 1st year, 3rd year anniversary, etc.

The salvation rituals are especially helpful for those who committed suicide or any of the “violent” (or unfortunate) deaths, including illnesses, sentenced to death, etc."

It's from a Taoist site though but I do these prayers at a Buddhist (not mixed Taoist/Buddhist) temple.

After reading this, any insights to my earlier queries?
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post Dec 6 2016, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(Mr. Najib Razak @ Dec 6 2016, 12:58 PM)
Chew dou=超度
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post Dec 6 2016, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 6 2016, 01:12 PM)
I don't know much about Taoist rites, so I can only give you opinion based on Buddhism.

The best person to perform the Transfer of Merits is the relatives of the departed one, because he knows and remembers his former relatives, and the relatives also know him.

I mean, imagine ourselves in very suffering condition, sometimes a name of a person will come to our  mind that we hope can help us right? and if that person actually knows how, and comes to help us, we will benefit.

Usually transfer of merit in buddhism is done , by giving alms to the Sangha (community of monks), (food ,medicine, shelter , robes) - and there is an ancient formula to recite translated to "This is for my relative, may he be well and happy", best if followed by conviction and full understanding in the Karma of giving. 

Some families will invite monk to their house , to offer food (dana) on behalf of their departed ones.

As for your current situation, my advice
1. continue to give alms to the Sangha on your father's behalf, always remember him and mention his name whenever you do good deeds

2. as for yourself, don't worry too much about what you will become , cultivate the dhamma, purify your mind, and chances are you won't be born into the ghost realm. Nirvana is best
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Does not answer my queries but tq for your reply and time anyway.
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post Dec 6 2016, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 6 2016, 01:12 PM)
I don't know much about Taoist rites, so I can only give you opinion based on Buddhism.

The best person to perform the Transfer of Merits is the relatives of the departed one, because he knows and remembers his former relatives, and the relatives also know him.

I mean, imagine ourselves in very suffering condition, sometimes a name of a person will come to our  mind that we hope can help us right? and if that person actually knows how, and comes to help us, we will benefit.

Usually transfer of merit in buddhism is done , by giving alms to the Sangha (community of monks), (food ,medicine, shelter , robes) - and there is an ancient formula to recite translated to "This is for my relative, may he be well and happy", best if followed by conviction and full understanding in the Karma of giving. 

Some families will invite monk to their house , to offer food (dana) on behalf of their departed ones.

As for your current situation, my advice
1. continue to give alms to the Sangha on your father's behalf, always remember him and mention his name whenever you do good deeds

2. as for yourself, don't worry too much about what you will become , cultivate the dhamma, purify your mind, and chances are you won't be born into the ghost realm. Nirvana is best
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I am familiar with the Transfer of Merits ritual you describe.

Reading this again, i realize that you have in fact answered my query.

"The best person to perform the Transfer of Merits is the relatives of the departed one" - a corollary of this is that there must be a living person who performs this ritual.

A deceased cannot do a Trf of Merits ritual or by logical extension, the Chao-Du ritual, hence once i have passed away, regardless of having paid/donated whatever amounts for the ritual to be done in favour of my late father, there is no living person ie me, that "effects" the trf/ritual.

Would that be correct?

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post Dec 6 2016, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 6 2016, 01:56 PM)
try the Sintao thread
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I am not a Taoist.

Many years ago, it was only Taoist temples that do this Chao-du prayers for the deceased.

However, perhaps 5-10 years ago, suddenly i found that Buddhist temples with predominantly chinese congregation, do it as well.


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post Dec 6 2016, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 6 2016, 02:34 PM)
hmm, maybe you should ask the temple that organizes the ritual lo, i also dunno much about it.

looks like a Taoist ritual

Chao-du

But Theravada buddhism transfer of merits is done in a different way, where the donation is given directly to the Monks on behalf of relatives.
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Regardless of whether it's the Chao-Du (Taoist maybe) or Trf of Merits ritual, it would appear that there must be a living person who "effects" the transfer.

I just wanted to know what happens if i arranged prayers for my late father prior to my own passing, whether those "prayers/ritual" will have any effect once I myself pass away.

It appears to me that those "prayers/ritual" need a living person to have "effect".
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post Dec 6 2016, 03:08 PM

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After I die, there will be nobody who will do prayer/chanting/rituals for my late father.

Is there anything I can do now, b4 my death, so that such prayers/chanting/rituals can be done for my late father after my passing?

any suggestions/ideas would be appreciated.
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post Dec 6 2016, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 6 2016, 04:44 PM)
For what's its worth, assuming (this you don't know for certain) that your late father

1. is in the Peta world (ghost)
2. knows you are doing something for him and rejoices in it
3. you are doing something for him , eg by giving alms on his behalf

he will already left the Peta world smile.gif

So, don't worry too much. Just do what you can now.
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post Dec 7 2016, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Dec 7 2016, 07:30 AM)
actually the best transferring merits to your father is by chanting by you...

Cos u n your father got very strong karma bondage, that's why he become your father this life....

Not only chanting, everytime u do a good deeds like saving a cat/dog or u donate to temple, u also can transfer those merit to your father ....

According to ksitigarba sutra, every merit u transfer, your father only get 1/7 of the merit, balance 6/7 is yours.
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I dunno how to chant and truthfully not inclined to learn.

max i can play the chant on music player - does this have any benefit?

Also, I am curious how the merit is divided - what's the reason it is in sevenths?
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post Dec 7 2016, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Dec 7 2016, 10:30 AM)

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human chant wrongly still got good effect onot?
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post Dec 7 2016, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Dec 7 2016, 10:45 AM)
got but not so good .... actually any word u chant also got effect ...

the power is in the repetition n the vibration on the word + concentration

not the word itself  smile.gif
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if any word/words oso can, why pipul must chant specific mantras/chants?

eg someone mentioned above, he/she chant heart sutra.

if chant "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" got same effect?
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post Dec 7 2016, 11:27 AM

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Tq for all the info so i can consider.

 

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