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Joey-kun
post Aug 20 2010, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Aug 20 2010, 09:23 AM)
@Joey

Finally thread reopened.

Was about to ask you on the *crap what I want to ask ady*

Any idea on which mantra the 'Da Bei Zhou' was derived from?
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the mantra is a transliteration of sanskrit to mandrin.

mantras cannot be translated as they produce certain vibrations in the body when chanted. These are the vibrations that heal and produce various effects.
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post Aug 20 2010, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Aug 20 2010, 09:39 AM)
the mantra is a transliteration of sanskrit to mandrin.

mantras cannot be translated as they produce certain vibrations in the body when chanted. These are the vibrations that heal and produce various effects.
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I mean, erm, the name of the mantra in sanskrit. tongue.gif
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post Aug 20 2010, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Aug 20 2010, 09:41 AM)
I mean, erm, the name of the mantra in sanskrit.  tongue.gif
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i am not sure because there is no tibetan sources for that mantra. perhaps the lineage of that mantra only made it to china but not tibet.
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post Aug 20 2010, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Aug 20 2010, 09:43 AM)
i am not sure because there is no tibetan sources for that mantra. perhaps the lineage of that mantra only made it to china but not tibet.
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Hmm interesting as I'd been looking around and too many so-called 'explanation' that I don't even know what that mantra means.

Wanted to know what is it that the mantra actually trying to convey.


Added on August 20, 2010, 9:49 amI hope the wiki entry about it is accurate though, just found it

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post Aug 20 2010, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Aug 20 2010, 09:45 AM)
Hmm interesting as I'd been looking around and too many so-called 'explanation' that I don't even know what that mantra means.

Wanted to know what is it that the mantra actually trying to convey.
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master hsuan hua has written a commentary and explanation of the mantra. Apparently it invokes all 84 different forms of Avalokiteshvara according to some sources, but i feel it is meant to invoke his energy through the mantra.
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QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Aug 20 2010, 09:41 AM)
I mean, erm, the name of the mantra in sanskrit.  tongue.gif
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post Aug 20 2010, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Aug 20 2010, 09:49 AM)
master hsuan hua has written a commentary and explanation of the mantra. Apparently it invokes all 84 different forms of Avalokiteshvara according to some sources, but i feel it is meant to invoke his energy through the mantra.
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The invocation of the 84 different types of protectors is what I'd heard.

That's why I wanna make sure the true thing behind it. Commentary eh... I'll try to look around. Got source for it?
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post Aug 20 2010, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Aug 20 2010, 09:45 AM)
Hmm interesting as I'd been looking around and too many so-called 'explanation' that I don't even know what that mantra means.

Wanted to know what is it that the mantra actually trying to convey.


Added on August 20, 2010, 9:49 amI hope the wiki entry about it is accurate though, just found it
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THere is no Mantra in Theravada Buddhism, but there are chants called Parittas which are basically the quotes of the words of the Buddha recorded in the sutta. The monks will sometimes chant these Parittas to offer protection, but the actual working of paritas are the reflection in the mind of the person who recite or hear it. Arahant Nagasena noted that certain parittas recited at the shrine of the great arahants (where the relics are located) , if accompanied by Saddha (faith) , certain miracles may happen.

For example, in times where a person encountered a lot of hatred in daily life, he may visit a monk to seek advice. The monk may recite the Loving Kindness sutta (metta) , which is actually the words of the Buddha himself . Normally, in temples, the translation of the Paritta (recited in Pali) will be given to the devotee so that he will understand what the monks is reciting.


Hope this helps

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post Aug 20 2010, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Aug 20 2010, 09:53 AM)
The invocation of the 84 different types of protectors is what I'd heard.

That's why I wanna make sure the true thing behind it. Commentary eh... I'll try to look around. Got source for it?
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anyways i found this online: http://www.nalanda-university.com/buddhist...-da-bei-jou.htm

may help
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post Aug 20 2010, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Aug 20 2010, 09:01 AM)
Those who rojak Buddhist and Christian cannot make up their damn mind... lolol
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They actually got afinity to buddhism, it's just that their fear of God is so entrenched in their psyche. Take quite a courage to break from that fear, no offence. Being there done that.
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post Aug 20 2010, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 20 2010, 10:17 AM)
THere is no Mantra in Theravada Buddhism, but there are chants called Parittas which are basically the quotes of the words of the Buddha recorded in the sutta.  The monks will sometimes chant these Parittas to offer protection, but the actual working of paritas are the reflection in the mind of the person who recite or hear it.  Arahant Nagasena noted that certain parittas recited at the shrine of the great arahants (where the relics are located) , if accompanied by Saddha (faith) , certain miracles may happen. 

For example, in times where a person encountered a lot of hatred in daily life, he may visit a monk to seek advice. The monk may recite the Loving Kindness sutta (metta) , which is actually the words of the Buddha himself . Normally, in temples, the translation of the Paritta (recited in Pali) will be given to the devotee so that he will understand what the monks is reciting.
Hope this helps
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in Tibetan Buddhism Om Ah Hum is used as a general mantra to represent the Buddha's body, speech and mind. Mantras can invoke the energies of certain Buddhas or Bodhisattvas and it is said that even a paper written with the mantra can be regarded as the actual Buddha.

in Theravarda, sutras and paritas are recited instead and sutras like the metta sutta are meant to be actualized in daily life while the recitation serves as a reminder for those who recite them to do so.

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post Aug 20 2010, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(Ahsin1987 @ Aug 20 2010, 10:23 AM)
Buddhist sooooo deep , i don't understand a thing what u guys talking about  rclxub.gif
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for everything else, there is wiki ™
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QUOTE(Ahsin1987 @ Aug 20 2010, 10:23 AM)
Buddhist sooooo deep , i don't understand a thing what u guys talking about  rclxub.gif
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i summarise Buddhism for you: do not harm others, and do not harm yourself.
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post Aug 20 2010, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Aug 20 2010, 10:21 AM)
in Tibetan Buddhism Om Ah Hum is used as a general mantra to represent the Buddha's body, speech and mind. Mantras can invoke the energies of certain Buddhas or Bodhisattvas and it is said that even a paper written with the mantra can be regarded as the actual Buddha.

in Theravarda, sutras and paritas are recited instead and sutras like the metta sutta are meant to be actualized in daily life while the recitation serves as a reminder for those who recite them to do so.
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Yep, do you know that the hindu mantra also start with "ohm" ?
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Ohm is a Sanskrit term that means complete, finished or done if I am not mistaken.



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post Aug 20 2010, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 20 2010, 10:17 AM)
THere is no Mantra in Theravada Buddhism, but there are chants called Parittas which are basically the quotes of the words of the Buddha recorded in the sutta.  The monks will sometimes chant these Parittas to offer protection, but the actual working of paritas are the reflection in the mind of the person who recite or hear it.  Arahant Nagasena noted that certain parittas recited at the shrine of the great arahants (where the relics are located) , if accompanied by Saddha (faith) , certain miracles may happen. 

For example, in times where a person encountered a lot of hatred in daily life, he may visit a monk to seek advice. The monk may recite the Loving Kindness sutta (metta) , which is actually the words of the Buddha himself . Normally, in temples, the translation of the Paritta (recited in Pali) will be given to the devotee so that he will understand what the monks is reciting.
Hope this helps
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I see. Thanks.

BTW, from the article I'm reading, it is mentioned that:

Recite this mantra 5 times

Recite the Dharani 21 times

What is the difference with the above 2?

QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Aug 20 2010, 10:18 AM)
Will read thanks.

Am reading this actually: http://www.fodian.net/world/dabei_sutra.htm

QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 20 2010, 10:29 AM)
Yep, do you know that the hindu mantra also start with "ohm" ?
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Ohm sathi?
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post Aug 20 2010, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Aug 20 2010, 10:34 AM)
I see. Thanks.

BTW, from the article I'm reading, it is mentioned that:

Recite this mantra 5 times

Recite the Dharani 21 times

What is the difference with the above 2?
Will read thanks.

Am reading this actually: http://www.fodian.net/world/dabei_sutra.htm
Ohm sathi?
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Tsk. You should ask those who are well versed in the Mantras.. hehe not me.
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post Aug 20 2010, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 20 2010, 10:29 AM)
Yep, do you know that the hindu mantra also start with "ohm" ?
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Ohm is a Sanskrit term that means complete, finished or done if I am not mistaken.
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Om is just a sanskrit syllable but it can also be used to represent other things like in this case, the Buddha's body. makes sense since words are used to represent things, why cant they represent a Buddha's body?

QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Aug 20 2010, 10:34 AM)
I see. Thanks.

BTW, from the article I'm reading, it is mentioned that:

Recite this mantra 5 times

Recite the Dharani 21 times

What is the difference with the above 2?
Will read thanks.

Am reading this actually: http://www.fodian.net/world/dabei_sutra.htm
Ohm sathi?
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A mantra that is longer than 10 lines is known as Dharani. Mantras are supposed to be short and to be recited in 1 breath.
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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 20 2010, 10:35 AM)
Tsk. You  should ask those who are well versed in the Mantras.. hehe not me.
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Lol okayyy

Anyone of you actually recite any mantras?

I used to recite Heart Sutra when I'm having exams tongue.gif, Great Compassion Mantra in NS.

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