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Group LYN Buddhism Retreat - SERIOUS TALK, No trolling please

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soul2soul
post Aug 19 2010, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(yeezai @ Aug 19 2010, 10:35 AM)
mang if you meditate you will concur dat theres supernatural power ...your conscience will be so clear dat you can even felt something dat is going to happen in future..if you met some indian high priest b4 they can read your mind mang...
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have you met any indian gurus who can read your mind? do tell
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post Aug 19 2010, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(yeezai @ Aug 19 2010, 10:56 AM)
met twice mang...first time is in uk ..actually the guy is just a follower of gurus and hes practicing for 10yrs++ only but wat he do really amased me..he ask me to think of something and he can tell me wat im thinking ..or i can write something of a paper and without even getting near to the paper im holding he know wat i wrote...another time is in kl ..a fellow suddenly come up to me ask me wan to do fortune telling or not then i straight say i know wat you can do ..then i buy him lunch and we talk talk...
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I believe you.

It's called penetration of mind in Buddhism. A type of Iddhi(psychic) powers.

I give you the trait of this guru - tell me if I am right.

1. He is very calm.
2. He does not indulge in sensuality. He does not indulge in sex/alcohol/ music/entertainment.
3. Mostly a hermit. avoids crowd.

Correct?
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post Aug 19 2010, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(Shadow Kun @ Aug 19 2010, 10:35 AM)
wah lau teh other tered got nuked.
kacau daun btl.
soul2soul have u check ur inbox?
can answer here oso.
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I will answer here la.

The Buddha discourages speculation as it gives to a lot of stress, but no way closer to the answer. The only way one knows what Nibbana is , is to actually reach that state himself (see for himself).

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post Aug 19 2010, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 19 2010, 10:37 AM)
How do you know what you perceive during meditation is not delusional of the mind?

but anyway, this is group thread now... so no more debateing  icon_question.gif
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How do you know that what you see now like the screen of computer is not the delusion of the mind?
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post Aug 19 2010, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 19 2010, 11:24 AM)
Its testable and quantifiable via science.
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and why are you here?
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post Aug 19 2010, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(firefawkes @ Aug 19 2010, 11:27 AM)
meditation is widely accepted in Christianity, and meditation is a core part in Buddhism,

the basis of all religion have the same path way in a sense, even thou Buddhism is not a religion, the rules of conduct are of positive light in the teachings

so why do you need to add our own tainted human judgment into any positive conduct? Karma = you reap what you sow

are you sure there is no such teachings similar to Karma in the Bible?

Galatians chapter 6 and verse 7
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Very different religions, no need to debate on that here la.
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post Aug 19 2010, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Aug 19 2010, 11:25 AM)
i always have this question...

if u dun enjoy the up and down of what makes us human, what's the point of becoming human?
why is nothingness a goal? why u even want nothingness?  hmm.gif
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Don't talk about nibbana first (far thing), but close thing like perfecting Morality and Generosity also hard to do. Not something you will see now.

Ven Mahamoganalla produced an arahant smile when he saw a ghost suffering. Want to know why?
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post Aug 19 2010, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(firefawkes @ Aug 19 2010, 11:30 AM)
why so judgmental ?

its not even a debate, its a discussion, he asked i answered, as simple as that
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This is like when a muslim tells you buddha is a prophet of Allah. how you feel?

So i always believe we shouldn't 'trick' the christians to believe in Buddha by telling them they can be a Buddhist and christian at the same time. Jesus and Buddha taught 2 very different things , one with a God, the other with no God.

Must show them respect they deserve. that's my idea. Sorry if i sound judgmental, not meant to be.
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post Aug 19 2010, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 19 2010, 11:35 AM)
No reason why i'm here. But since i'm already here, i'll be darn sure to taste every women out there before i die
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then you shouldn't be here.
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post Aug 19 2010, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(firefawkes @ Aug 19 2010, 11:38 AM)
no idea wth you are talking about

im just answering the questions about why do they think that its okay for another religion to practice Buddhism

im not converting anyone here, nor am i saying who is right or wrong

why so nasty? ROFL

stating the obvious similarity is a sin here now?
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LIke that you want call me nasty?? what i did?

hiaya, tell you to be careful don't cincai tell them .... we buddhists ok if christians want to practice buddhism (more than welcome), but they might have some conflict themselves one.... later the christian trolls will start to come in and disturb already.
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post Aug 19 2010, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Aug 19 2010, 11:47 AM)
yes, I salute u for saying this... a lot of misleading statement from Buddhist already... it needs to be stop before it get out of hand...
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Gogo2, it's the same when others start to hijack buddhism and claim that Buddha is their prophet. It will sure draw a lot of ire from buddhists because it's not like that.

So it's the same thing, we cannot say Jesus is a enlightened being and that he taught buddhism (althought there is a lot of speculation of what he did in his missing 30 years).

It's the same thing when christians go around telling muslims that Allah in islam is the same as Allah in Bible..... sure make people fight one.



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post Aug 19 2010, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Aug 19 2010, 11:35 AM)
why?  unsure.gif
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He felt compassion for the ghost, but at the same thing, he realized that he will not suffer that fate in his future lives anymore for he has exhausted all rebirths. With this , he smiled.
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post Aug 19 2010, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Aug 19 2010, 12:05 PM)
why cant buddhists stop trolling other religions and making fun of them?  sometimes even making fun of another tradition of buddhism?

and why are some buddhists so paranoid of cults? why we dont find tibetan buddhists not afraid of cults? hehehehe
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Do you believe orthodoxity has its place in religion ?

I have looked at some of the tibetan buddhism, they are not that different from Theravada. Vipassana and Samatha meditation are found there, with minor adaptation.


All concepts break down in Jhanas and attainment of Nanas. So, whatever differences we have are all just in way of practice and in conceptual basis. But all these concepts break down later... so there isn't a difference at that point.
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post Aug 19 2010, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(chezzball @ Aug 19 2010, 12:09 PM)
why Buddhist cannot eat meat?
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Dear friend,

We can.
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post Aug 19 2010, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Aug 19 2010, 12:10 PM)
have you seen the religion thread in RWI? hehehehe

or u terasa pedas ke? why so defensive?

ask me to ask question, when i ask u troll me liddat. thats why i dunwan to ask lorh.

for what. ask edi kena troll by ppl like u.
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no la, me think Joey kun is a very wise person, diam diam ubi berisi. Maybe now got some penetration of my mind.. Taakutt!!!
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post Aug 19 2010, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(firefawkes @ Aug 19 2010, 12:11 PM)
dahlah tu...dah lah generalize buddhist

admit it la

so i no need sapu krim
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oii, still mad at me ah?

don't like that la.

I love you
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post Aug 19 2010, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Aug 19 2010, 12:19 PM)
pedas tak cili?
yep but we havent reached that stage yet so to us at the moment concepts are important to us at the moment. Lets not look too far..whats in front is more important.

If i were to break your concepts you'd probably get all defensive and angry. That alone proves that we still need those to exist as humans here.
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Try me.

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post Aug 19 2010, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(oLCow @ Aug 19 2010, 12:20 PM)
now i have question.

when doing meditation there's a lot of thing will be shown.
from what i know they will not tell you what they seen!
is this true?

If it's true then, I wan to ask, how many of you have reach that level not what you seen?
If it's false then, what have you seen?

Thanks
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A blind man cannot ask another blind man what colour is.

So anything a person finds, he has to verify with his teacher. That if the teacher is competent and well versed in the Dhamma. It's useless for him to tell you what he has seen. It will only give rise to more speculation, which defeats the purpose of meditation anyway.
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post Aug 19 2010, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(oLCow @ Aug 19 2010, 12:30 PM)
what i understand from your answer is that in practicing buddhism one must have a guru/teacher?
guru/teaching also means that one must join some type of organisation rite?
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It's a lot easier with a teacher. Plus, you don't get so confused reading so many opinions from the books and internet.
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post Aug 19 2010, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Aug 19 2010, 12:40 PM)
6.) What is Kuan Yin? What does kuan yin has to do with buddhism? I see a lot ppl CANNOT eat beef coz they pray kuan yin. So should their religion be KUANYINISM ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalokite%C5%9Bvara
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from the link also:

Modern scholarship

Western scholars have not reached a consensus on the origin of the reverence for Avalokiteśvara. Some have suggested that Avalokiteśvara, along with many other supernatural beings in Buddhism, was a borrowing or absorption by Mahayana Buddhism of one or more Hindu deities, in particular Shiva or Vishnu (though the reason for this suggestion is because the current name of the bodhisattva not the original one.)


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