Reported this thread for mods to take action.

I dont see a purpose of this thread as its a duplicate of All About Religion thread.

You fellas should stop debating.

All religions are bollocks.

But then Buddhism isn't really a religion right?

If this is a GROUP thread, then it should be to GROUP people who call themselves as Buddhists, regardless if its anything to do with religion or not.

The thread titled LYN BUDDHISM RETREAT....now why the word "RETREAT" is being there?

for you bollocks to debate about what buddhism really is, or for buddhists to lounge and hang out?

you trollers pls take your debates elsewhere.

But like you asked earlier, why should it be in RWI in the first place, right? Shouldn't it be a Kopitiam thread then?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Aug 16 2010, 06:47 PM

SpikeMarlene,

To you, not being focus is YOUR HABIT. Hence, it is STRESSFUL for you to focus on ONE THING only.

Ditto, for people that TREAT meditation as an out of ordinary thing.

But, as we had said again and before, there are MANY PATHS to enlightenment, choose what works for you...

<<What is the benefit to be fully aware when I can enjoy my life by being casually aware.>>

There are multiple stages. MINDFULNESS is just stage one. MINDLESSNESS is the stage 2.

Now, the question is have you try being fully aware and whether the quality of life is better for you by doing that??

The GOAL of Zen is to form and integrate meditation into daily life. Aka, a habit.

Now, I am slightly AUTISTIC. For me, FOCUS is my natural state. I can multitask but that is NOT NATURAL for me. Hence, it is STRESSFUL for me.

Dreamer

would it be the reason that mods decided whut some minister said is true and deleted the thread becoz 'it's established in certain time, so it can't be abolished' and the previous thread somehow created late and... got removed?? yes, i'm bloody mocking that air-headed minister

seeing certain people dun understand the meaning of 'the end is not important, it's the journey that u made to reach there that counts' and started trolling arguing with their nonsense just kills the joy of reading this thread... there's no point arguing with people who just wants to win an argument

just declare him the winner and let him enjoy the gentle stroke (by himself) his ep33n, so we can end this bullock and continue with our regular program!!!

Hello I'm not even debating anything, I was doing defensive driving.

You should not even be in this thread.

Religion sucks. Avoid at all costs

what nonsense is this? i already explained to you...but its not my fault you're too densed to understand. and again u say i didnt explain...here have a facepalm.
wookey... swoosh
no one ask u to believe also, mr troll. You've demonstrated your imbecility for all to see if u cant understand a simple anoalogy : something is only supoernatural to those who dont know, to those who does, its natural. By the way we're not interested in spiritual unicorns in a buddhist thread. Show some class...and get lost.

PS:threads always turn stupid wherever spikemarlene start participating. thats supernatural right there..

This post has been edited by teongpeng: Aug 16 2010, 08:41 PM

Why are you even asking me?

This thread was originally in kopitiam but the mods decided to move it here. I don't know why but they probably had a very good reason for that.

I don't really mind where it ends up as long the thread can continue to exist. Let this thread be for Buddhists to discuss about Buddhism.

I am urging all those who want a comparative discussion about Buddhism with other religions as well as atheism to please take it elsewhere.

Thank you.

The thing is, if its a thread to discuss on buddhism is in RWI, shouldnt there be threads to discuss on other religious/philosophical stuffs too?

You are not supposed to be expecting it in the first place to do a unbiased judgment.

I have the examples in my head right now but I can't really articulate it in words across the internet. Hope the following link sheds more light on the quote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absence_of_evidence

you have to ask mods for that.

unfortunately trolls seem to prefer to spoil the Buddhist thread compared to christian n muslim threads at the kopitiam section.

hence it was moved here~

Go ask the mods. I hope you don't lose any sleep over all this.

Well, i see how ineffective REPORT button has become. Why they are so biased towards Buddhism?

Does this also mean that buddhists and non-buddhists can banter and chat and even organize meetups and events using this thread even if its in RWI?

I've reported this thread. No news from the 3 mods in charge of RWI. Probably they are looking for feedbacks.

Ahwang should be responsible more on kopitiam since he's a staff there.

i thought a staff oversees the whole forum? they are the global moderators to begin with.

i'm still curious who moved this thread here in the first place, and why.

no proper explanation was given and one fine day it just popped up in RWI.

Just ignore the trolls. It's really the best treatment for them you know.

Anyway, I would recommend a good book on the Buddha's great disciples, not very much known outside the conservative orthodox Theravada teachings.

Buddha has 2 chief disciples and 1 attendant, as it was recorded that all buddhas in the past had, and future buddhas will have too.


1. Venerable Sariputta - Marshal of the Dhamma. Foremost in wisdom (panna) and analytical knowledge. The Buddha had acknowledged that Ven Sariputta also turned the wheel of the Dhamma as the Buddha did. Also known as the Elder in the Sangha. He attained Parinibbana just 3 months before the Buddha did. His last convert was his own mother.

2. Venerable Mahamoganalla - Master of Psychic powers. 2nd chief disciple with mastery in all forms of psychic abilities. Also known as Iddhi-powers. His various feats were recorded in the Sutta, among them subduing the mighty Naga that attacked the Buddha, confronting the Arch-Demon Mara who tried to sicken him, visited the various gods in the heavens to preach the dhamma.

This ability of him proved to be also the cause of envy among many ascetics, who eventually hired some bandits to terminate his life. Ven Mahamoganalla, due to his past kamma of harming his both parents (in very distant past), lost control of his own powers towards the end and had his own bone being broken and bludgeoned to death by the bandits. This serves as a great reminder that psychic powers cannot overcome Kamma.

3. Venerable Ananda - Buddha's cousin, who attended to the Buddha, and had excellent memory. Most of the Suttas were recited by him , and approved by other Arahants at the first buddhist council as being authentic and were words of the buddha , held 100 days after the Buddha passed away.

4. Ven Mahakasappa
5. Ven Anuruddha

was Venerable Mahamoganalla the one who sent food to his mother in hell? didn't realised he died such a horrible death.

my question is, to those bandits who hurt him, will Kamma get back to them too?

yes the bandits will get karma back, but Moganalla killed his parents in his previous life by beating them to death, and not only in that last life of his that he died that way but in many previous lives as well.

That is the nature of Karma.

1. Karma is definite in that virtuous actions lead to happiness and non-virtuous to suffering.
2. Karmic imprints increase; the result is greater than the cause.
3. One will never experience a karmic result one did not create the cause for.
4. Karmic causes created are never lost.

So thats why we be very careful of the actions due to the nature of its reprecussion. It does not exhaust itself when it ripens.

Ven Mahamoganalla was known to visit many beings in Hells and heavens too. Not sure about the story of sending food to his mother. AFAIK , the beings in hell don't have time to even eat.....

He knew the bandits wanted to kill him but he used his powers to make himself become invisible to them , not to avoid his own death (as arahants don't have fear of death) but to try to help the bandits to avert a terrible kamma they were going to commit (by murdering an arahant).

But towards the end, he lost control of his body when his past kamma interrupted his concentration and was finally revealed to the bandits. So.. he was hacked to death, bones broken to pieces according to the records in the sutta.

The monks later asked the Buddha why Ven Mahamoganally suffered such a terrible death, and the Buddha told them that Ven Mahamoganalla had killed his parents in his past lives, and as a result of that he went to hell and suffered for a very long time, later he emerged as humans and in 7 lifetimes, he was bludgeoned to death. And that kamma also not finished .. until it caused Moganalla to die that way in his last life too.

Of course, for those bandits who killed him, already commit a serious kamma which will definitely land them in Hells after their own death. There are 5 types of heavy evil kamma listed
1. harm buddha
2. kill arahants
3. kill mother
4. kill father
5. cause division in sangha

These kamma will definitely appear at the mind-door of the dying person. That is to say, Hell existence is a 100% certainty for people who committed such crimes. People who commit such crimes also cannot become enlightened in that life, even if they have the ability to do so due to their past cultivation. Such individuals are said to be covered with the veil of evil kamma.

So.. be nice to our parents... got lot of blessings....can go heaven one u know...

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Added on August 17, 2010, 11:10 amagreed 100%... don't play play with kamma.

This post has been edited by soul2soul: Aug 17 2010, 11:10 AM