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post Nov 30 2014, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(teru @ Nov 30 2014, 05:49 AM)
Since when do Buddhists believe in a soul?
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The word soul depends on how you interprete it. In mine, it's related to the energy. The same energy related to rebirth.
Buddhism just don't emphasize on soul just like they don't emphasize on gods. The Buddha never said there is no gods or no soul. Please don't follow wrongly.
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post Nov 30 2014, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(Wau_Si_TuSin @ Nov 30 2014, 08:57 AM)
[simpletraveler,Nov 30 2014, 02:52 AM]

Even me, dared not be that bold as to carry the dream of furthering ( as like in, further developing ) the teaching of my teacher, Lord Buddha except to help explain his sutta ( to my utmost best effort and ability, failing which, to recommend someone much more able to ) than to claim to having a much more superior method.

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Your statements proved to some extend you are quite stubborn, your mindset is limited or you tend to be careless and misunderstand what you read.
1) I never claim to be have a much more superior method. I only imply what I know about science and imply it on the way Buddhism taught. So please don't cause misunderstanding.
2) You failed or just don't accept that science can explain or prove Buddhism's teachings are true and not some superstitious belief. Answer me, if in future science proved Buddhism, will you accept it ?
3) Did Buddha ever said his teachings are the ultimate and there is nothing else in life that can be discovered in the future ? Did Buddha said there is no science ?
4) Buddha's teachings don't emphasize on gods, spirits and soul but did he said all of them don't exist ?
Please answer those questions above to yourself, rethink about them and your knowledge of Buddhism will be better. Otherwise, you are not much different with someone who said he believe in Wikipedia over me just because he could not argue or debunk me further.
Remember, Buddhism advise people to learn and be wise. If you meet someone who knows more than you, consider it a blessing and because you are going to learn something new. Always let go your ego and never see knowledge as a threat.

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post Nov 30 2014, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(teru @ Nov 30 2014, 12:14 PM)
Well that is your own view and interpretation.

The Buddha has said that there is no creator. This is one of the reasons why recalling memory of past lives is important. You can see for yourself countless past lives and yet find no creator. And you will see for yourself the different realms that you land yourselves in are attributed to your past kammas. This is how you dispel wrong views.

If you wish to know more about Buddhist cosmology I would recommend you to pick up the Abidhamma.

Enlightenment can not be attained merely through book knowledge. One must also meditate and attain Samadhi if you wish to see truth. Then go into Vippassana.
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Any mistake on your part ? Why do you give me this reply ? I never believe in a creator and I never believe enlightenment can be achieved merely from book.

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post Nov 30 2014, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(Wau_Si_TuSin @ Nov 30 2014, 02:03 PM)

Is the thought of losing so dreadful to you that you have forgotten all that I have debated / discuss / argue in them threads with all them forumners, that you need to asked me those question which you posted above, when you rightly should already know my take on those question you asked above.

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I am not interested to win argument and that is not what I want, so don't make dishonest accusations. My objective here is just to share my knowledge. I only start to see your name and messages just recently few days ago. So dont beat around the bush or claim that you have taught others a lot. Stay honest if you are a true Buddhist.
Answer those questions I asked you in the last comment if you are honest.
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post Nov 30 2014, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(Wau_Si_TuSin @ Nov 30 2014, 03:38 PM)
I AM KNOWN BY MANY NAMES, BRO😆
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Yes, you can claim many or any names. That proved how honest can you be. Such simple questions that can be answered with a yes or no need not be beaten around the bush. Get out of that 2500 years old well and study some science.

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post Nov 30 2014, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(Wau_Si_TuSin @ Nov 30 2014, 10:34 PM)
Yo  simple,  here something formatted for easy reading, specially for you to read ( in lay man term ) to understand that there is no permanent entity such as a SOUL. I really hope you set aside the time to grasp an understanding of it,  bro
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Are you from the cuckoo's nest ?
Seems that you dont even know what you copied and paste here. If you do, you could have easily explained in less than 1/4 of that length in your own words. I am not disagreeing or doubting the contents of your article but using it as a defence to my comments demonstrated that something is not right about you. I have already explained to you earlier in simple scientific and yet layman's term.. Furthermore what you pasted has nothing to do with my explaination of soul and energy in relation to karma and rebirth. It shows that you are just following buddhism blindly. Reminds me of those pale looking cuckoo vegetarians who are suffering from malnutrition without knowing. You know why so few people believe in buddism today ? It's because of
Buddhism teaching like the kind you just did: long winded and sounds weird. Let me help you to explain the whole concept of Buddhism in just a few words:

"Karma in Buddhism is the same as the law of action and reaction in science and rebirth shares the same Enstein's that energy cannot be created or destroyed but it can be transformed".

That is enough, why need so long ?
That energy I mentioned here is what people in the past used to call soul.
Check the dictionary yourself for meaning of soul.

You haven't answer yet when I asked you earlier, if one day in future science can actually prove rebirth and karma in Buddhism, are you going to accept it or not ? Honest honestly.

Now, I am curious. Are you a vegetarian ? You may not reply if you don't wish to.

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post Dec 1 2014, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(teru @ Nov 30 2014, 12:14 PM)
Well that is your own view and interpretation.

The Buddha has said that there is no creator. This is one of the reasons why recalling memory of past lives is important. You can see for yourself countless past lives and yet find no creator. And you will see for yourself the different realms that you land yourselves in are attributed to your past kammas. This is how you dispel wrong views.

If you wish to know more about Buddhist cosmology I would recommend you to pick up the Abidhamma.

Enlightenment can not be attained merely through book knowledge. One must also meditate and attain Samadhi if you wish to see truth. Then go into Vippassana.
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Let me elaborate for you so others can understand better.
Actually not only the Buddha said there is no creator. I am sure anyone with some common sense will say there is no creator. I have always tell others there is no creator. In fact, correct me if I am wrong here, I think NOBODY in the past think there was a creator until Christianity coax up this story 2014 years ago.
As for meditation(here I mean real meditation and not the type practised by Christians or muslims), it's the best exercise for the mind to reach a state where all impurities are emptied and mindfulness takes over. If a person is knowledgeable enough, he need not meditate and still able to reach enlightenment. But that will be even more unlikely and rare.
Book can only give knowledge and as a guide, it cannot give the practice that one needs.

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post Dec 1 2014, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(Wau_Si_TuSin @ Dec 1 2014, 01:21 AM)
[simpletraveler,Nov 30 2014, 12:15 PM]Hahaha  hohoho.

tsk  tsk  tsk.
Oh mama Mia.
It late. Time to sleep
tsk tsk tsk.
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All those words you used gave me the hint of a cuckoo's nest and do you know how I know you are not so honest ? You can have so much time to beat around the bush but the last 2 questions just need a YES or a NO. Just admit you are not so honest or dare not answer for some reasons.
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post Dec 1 2014, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(Wau_Si_TuSin @ Dec 1 2014, 01:21 AM)
[simpletraveler,Nov 30 2014, 12:15 PM]Hahaha  hohoho.
simple...simple. ..oooihhh
tsk  tsk  tsk.
This article were written by an author with over 3 decades exploring Buddhism and is the editor and creator of the wheel newsletter for the buddhist Centre in mississauga in Canada. And you expect me or you to be able to condensed his thought in less than a 1/4 of his length.

Oh mama Mia.
What,  oh what,  is it that have emboldened you to such sad state of affair, like a raving madman.

Have you been meditating properly or not? Got received proper guidance or not?

rofl.
You do have a warped sense of self praised, man.
Don't you know that praises are earn but not by self heap lah.

Let me assist you to do a brief self analysis here.

First, how many years of buddhist learning have you done?

Now,  compare that to the author, who have over 3 decades plus other ability.

You may think that your explanation of less than 10 lines is good enough to project his entire work. BUT IS IT?

You will be well known for a Buddhist reject.😆😆

Actually, Buddha had already foreseen such group of people's that will start the downfall of Buddhism.  I will paste it here tomorrow.

Even though Buddhism  is destined for downfall.

tsk tsk tsk.
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Judged from the way you wrote and misinterpreted,
I am quite certain you have some mental problem and it can lead you to other sickness if not attended early.
When was the last time you go for medical checkup ?
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post Dec 1 2014, 09:17 AM

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I must clarify myself again before that Buddhist above keeps causing misunderstanding against me:

1) Although I have Buddhism knowledge and I like to share them, I am NOT a Buddhist. Eg anyone can be knowledgeable in science but he is not a scientist.
2) I don't meditate although I know what is it about and understand how it works. (I refer to true meditation and not the type practised by Christians and Muslims).


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post Dec 1 2014, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(teamjoker @ Dec 1 2014, 09:31 AM)
bro simpletraveller, what religion are you then? Tell me more on your understanding of Buddhism, why this religion did not managed to make you to be a Buddhist?
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I understand many religions(probably much more than their followers) but i don't want to be their member. You mean Buddhism ? I don't even consider it a religion. It is a way of life and everyone, whether you are Hindu, Christian or Muslim are actually living with it. In order words, Buddhism is part of everyone's life. The difference is how much or how well by each individual. So why need to classify who is Buddhist and who is not ?
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QUOTE(teamjoker @ Dec 1 2014, 10:39 AM)
Since Buddhism is a way of life, Buddha says the percepts are important. Do you follow them then? Meditation to me is to train your awareness. I dont do it too because I am too restless and lazy. haha
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Again, you don't need to follow what the Buddha said to live the right way of life. You use common sense and logic with a good heart is enough.
Yes, I explain earlier. When one meditates correctly, the mind will be totally neutral and free of all impurities and filled with only good energies. This makes room for new knowledge, mindfulness and awareness. So the end result is leads to wisdom. It also brings better health to the body. This is why Islam and Christianity cannot do this type of meditation. They don't want their followers to have awareness and wisdom. Their way of meditation is done with the mind keeps remembering their religion. Something like chanting in Buddhism.

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QUOTE(Wau_Si_TuSin @ Dec 1 2014, 01:21 AM)
[simpletraveler,Nov 30 2014, 12:15 PM]
This article were written by an author with over 3 decades exploring Buddhism and is the editor and creator of the wheel newsletter for the buddhist Centre in mississauga in Canada.
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Let me help you to improve. Maybe your teacher the Buddha never mentioned this.
It is not right to use the above to prove or show credentials for anyone. Think of this:
If I tell you I bath 3 times a day but you only bath once everyday, it doesn't mean that my body must be cleaner than yours; or if you take I hour bath while I take only 10 min, it doesn't mean your body is cleaner. I guess you will not understand. Never mind.
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QUOTE(danokchonger @ Dec 1 2014, 10:44 AM)
don't start here. he's famous n active in rwi area. he's famous for flamebaiting christians/muslims. even atheists there think he is a nutcase. best is just to ignore but ts must monitor the thread or it can easily derail from its obj.
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Why are you so afraid of anyone learning Buddhism here ? How about you coming here to help explain or share Buddhism knowledge if you are really sincere.
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post Dec 1 2014, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Wau_Si_TuSin @ Dec 1 2014, 10:56 AM)

It's just not right to place or claimed similarities or relationship of current time discovery to ancient time teaching.

What one, at most can claimed,  is that most of Buddha teaching are not debunk ( expose the falseness ) by modern times discovery  (science) and best still,  it's upheld by science.
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Everyone know that Buddhism is not debunked by science but that is not good enough to prove that karma and rebirth is true or that it will not be debunked in the future. The statement that science is not debunked by science is just good enough to show that Buddhism is more reliable than Christianity and Islam since they debunked by science, proving they are fake.
Only with scientific link or explanation that people will understand the claims of buddhism; and I did just that.

Your first para that I linked above is very wrong. You need to digest that too.

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So do you still need more time to digest those 2 or 3 simple questions I asked you about science and vegetarian ? Why can't answer ?
People said I can prophecise, not without reasons.
You really sound like one of those vegetarian nerds who think that being vegetarian alone can lead them to nirvana. Vegetarian in Buddhism is my next subject.
I will continue on that later.
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Dec 1 2014, 02:00 PM)
pass by atheist here.

please retain a calm and civilized discussion in serious kopitiam.

there's no right or wrong in idea/philosophy, it's only a perspective, different view from different angles.
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Exactly. But some religious extremist here can't take it when they think someone else know better than them. I never claim I am better. Someone just think so and made such assumption on me :-)
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Dec 1 2014, 02:03 PM)
Faye Wong got sing this song b4:


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Faye Wong is one of the best singer today. I will enjoy her voice and listen to her even if she sings rubbish.
Can I know what is the title of this song ? I want to download just the song version.
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QUOTE(4-Pak-TuLan @ Dec 1 2014, 09:09 PM)
Are you missing me,  simple?😊
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Haha...what makes you think so ?
I should ask you "does this mean you admit you are the one I wrote there ?"

Honestly, I don't miss you, it's hardly 2 days. I have been away over a month. I will be away again soon.
But I am sure some who need your Buddhism cut and paste will miss you. So please don't run away.
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Dec 1 2014, 06:52 PM)
I assume you mean the Chi wording: 王菲 心经

Eng name is as per the youtube title: Faye Wong Heart Sutra
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Thank you. I will enjoy anything she sings. Even without lyrics.

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