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post Aug 15 2010, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 15 2010, 12:23 AM)
Honestly I don't see any difference between this thread and All about Religion v2 Thread.
Joe, what's the point of having this when the content of discussion is more less similar?
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Firstly, this thread was started to talk about the previous thread in /k/ that was deleted. Then it was bumped into RWI and then changed to be a thread on Buddhism.

QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 15 2010, 07:35 AM)
Sigh. I think those people who like to argue on Buddhism should take their case to the religion vs non-religion thread. This thread should serve as the avenue for buddhists who like to discuss about their faith like the Christian lounge.

Enough already.

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Yes, this thread should be for Buddhists and those interested in Buddhism to discuss. Lets not argue. Those who exist in the forum just to argue, could you please take it elsewhere?

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post Aug 16 2010, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 16 2010, 06:33 PM)
Then why should this thread be in RWI?

Why not in Kopitiam as those in Christian and Islam thread? There, all trollers get reported and the trolling posts gets removed.
But here i see so many arguments and stuffs, shouldnt it be in All About Religion thread?

This buddhist thread ought to be for buddhists to gather and for others to get to know buddhism, but all i've seen here between SPikemarlene, teongpeng, unknown warrior, dreamer101 etc are all debating!

Why cant this thread be moved to kopitiam?
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Why are you even asking me? smile.gif

This thread was originally in kopitiam but the mods decided to move it here. I don't know why but they probably had a very good reason for that.

I don't really mind where it ends up as long the thread can continue to exist. Let this thread be for Buddhists to discuss about Buddhism.

I am urging all those who want a comparative discussion about Buddhism with other religions as well as atheism to please take it elsewhere.

Thank you.


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post Aug 17 2010, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 16 2010, 11:49 PM)
The thing is, if its a thread to discuss on buddhism is in RWI, shouldnt there be threads to discuss on other religious/philosophical stuffs too?  blink.gif
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post Aug 17 2010, 11:22 AM

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There is an interesting article in The Star today.

http://thestar.com.my/lifestyle/story.asp?...6&sec=lifefocus

The Star
Tuesday August 17, 2010
A dhamma journey for Ugandan
By MAJORIE CHIEW
maj@thestar.com.my

A Ugandan youth who left Africa to further his studies in India returned home as the first Buddhist monk in his homeland.

IN June 1990, Steven Kaboggoza, then 24, left Uganda to study in a university in India. His family and kin expected him to return as “a rich businessman with a briefcase”.

After seven years of travelling, Kaboggoza returned home as a Buddhist yogi with a shaven head and a backpack. His family was puzzled by his odd baggage: scuba diving gear and books on Buddhism.

“In Uganda, there was no Buddhist temple or even a single Buddhist teacher and certainly there is no sea in which to dive,” writes Kaboggoza who now goes by the name, Buddharakkhita, in his first book, Planting Dhamma Seeds: The Emergence Of Buddhism In Africa. He also wrote another book, Drop By Drop: Practising Dhamma In Daily Life.

Bhante Buddharakkhita’s strange baggage had something to do with his life-changing experiences. (The term Bhante means Venerable Sir, and is used when addressing a Buddhist monk.)

The religious books tell of his spiritual journey after he befriended two young Thai monks studying at the university. Kaboggoza also embarked on a trip to meet the Dalai Lama after he was inspired by his Dharma talk.
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A higher plane: Bhante Buddharakkhita (centre, pink umbrella) and other invited guests making their way to the World Buddhist Summit headquarter’s guest house in Kobe, Japan, in 2008

In 1994, after a 12-day meditation retreat in Dharamsala, India, which turned out to be his journey of self-discovery, Kaboggoza abandoned the academic path for the spiritual one. He joined spiritual friends in New Delhi to listen to talks, practise meditation and read Dharma books.

After a year, Kaboggoza left India for a pilgrimage to Nepal and Tibet, and eventually landed in southern Thailand, on the beautiful island of Koh Tao. To earn a living, he became a diving instructor. He had a good time, but soon became disillusioned with life and returned to Africa. Upon his return in 1997, his relatives found out about his new religion. They advised him to burn his books on Buddhism and returned to Christianity but he stood his ground.

He was grateful that he did before the tsunami struck in 2004 as many people were killed in the place where he used to dive.

As time went by, Kaboggoza grew restless. “I was lonesome without my spiritual friends and left Uganda in search of deeper Truth,” he writes in his book.

He spent a year in South Africa travelling and meditating before heading off to the United States.
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Bhante Buddharakkhita meditating in a ‘mobile temple’ in Uganda

In 1999, Kaboggoza attended a three-month retreat at the Insight Meditation Society (IMS) in Barre, Massachusetts, in the United States, and later stayed on to join the staff until 2000.

In 2001, he went to Tathagata Meditation Centre (TMC) in San Jose, California, where he underwent intensive meditation and monastic training that led to higher ordination as a Theravada Buddhist monk in 2002. He took on the name, Buddharakkhita.

In October 2004, Buddharakkhita went on a pilgrimage to India, Nepal and Myanmar. In Sri Lanka, his host, Dhammaruwan, a renowned child prodigy and a Buddhist devotee, offered him a choice of two Buddha statues to bring back to Uganda.

He decided on the larger statue since his name, Buddharakkhita, means “protector of Buddha”.

Buddharakkhita had not anticipated that carrying the statue would arouse so much curiosity from all around – in Mumbai, India (while on a five-hour stopover), on board the plane, and at the Kenyan immigration. He felt exhausted by the endless questioning about the statue. When he discovered that the statue had broke from its base due to constant handling, he wanted all the more to protect it. He wrapped it in a monk’s robe.

At one airport, an immigration officer asked: “Why are you carrying this statue? Open it! Can I see it? Are you carrying things inside it? Possibly drugs?”

When he explained, “It is simply a Buddha statue,” he was ticked off.

While in Kenya where he took a break before proceeding to Uganda, he kept the wrapped statue in a bag.

When he returned home, his mother was happy to see him and shed tears of joy.

As it was a Buddhist monk’s etiquette, Buddharakkhita he stayed in a nearby hotel (and not in his mother’s house). But his strange attire and behaviour again drew much attention.

He wrote in his book about how he frightened two children who ran away from him muttering: “This man is going to eat us!”

“Some Ugandans thought I was a traditional medicine man (or witch doctor) when they saw me with my monk’s bag and asked what I was selling,” he says.

When he carried a big Buddhist fan from Myanmar, some thought it was a shield to protect the body, and yet others wondered if he was the royal bodyguard of the king.

Buddharakkhita’s family came to accept his new faith. Within one month of setting foot in his homeland, five members from his family became Buddhists. They included his mother, young sister and brother-in-law.

His mother was his first convert after she saw how other Buddhists – four Thais who run a restaurant in Uganda and a Sri Lankan factory owner – treated her son with such deep respect.

When he left Uganda, the number of devotees had started to increase.

He relates in an e-mail interview from Sweden: “A few weeks before I left for the United States, my three nieces and one nephew became Buddhists.”

After a year in the United States, he flew back to Africa for the second time and noticed that people still looked at him strangely.

This African monk’s alms bowl became a constant source of inquiry as he went on his alms round.

“Some people thought I was carrying an African drum, a small jembe.” A gatekeeper friend at the University of Nairobi thought the bakuli (alms bowl) resembled a pot and signified he was going on a long journey.

Well, his “food bowl” had even been mistaken as a football and a bomb!

One woman who was among a group of women waiting to harvest coffee beans in a nearby coffee plantation stopped and greeted him. Another frowned and told him: “I am afraid of the bomb you are carrying. Is that really a bomb?”

Buddharakkhita is an official member of the World Buddhist Summit, Japan.

When the charismatic monk first related his funny monk tales at the solemn 5th Buddhist Summit that was held in Kobe, Japan, in 2008, he drew laughter from the 300-strong crowd in the conference hall.

“Whenever people see me with my alms bowl, they want to buy it. Sometimes they think I am a local shaman trying to sell medicine to them.”

But after a while, the locals started to offer him alms.

To him, going for alms is a humbling experience.

“I never know how things are going to turn out. I become the centre of attraction in Uganda. People always stare at me while I am walking on the road with my shaven head and robe.”

These days, Buddharakkhita is based at the Bhavana Society, West Virginia, in the United States.

Twice a year, he would return from abroad to meet his fellow Buddhists in Uganda.

“My visit ranges from three weeks to four months. I hope to stay longer to establish local support in Uganda,” writes Buddharakkhita, who is president of the World Buddhist Sangha Youth, Uganda Chapter.

In Uganda, he is involved in Dhamma teachings at the Uganda Buddhist Centre and Kampala Meditation and Yoga Group.

He also teaches at retreats worldwide, especially in Brazil and the United States.

“This year, I chose to spend my vassa (rains retreat) and teaching engagement in Sweden,” says Buddharakkhita, who is also a Spiritual Director of the Flowering Lotus Meditation Centre in Magnolia, Mississippi, and a board adviser of the Global Buddhist Relief (GBF), both in the United States.

For more info, go to ugandabuddhistcenter.org/e-mail: ugandabuddhistcentre@gmail.org.

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post Aug 18 2010, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Aug 18 2010, 11:59 AM)
the last time i visited religion thread in RWI and i asked about what the people there think about falun dafa, the results i got there were not very positive.

so here now, i am wondering what /k/ thinks about falun dafa.
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Please go start a new thread on that. We are trying to keep this thread for Buddhism discussion only. Thank you.
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post Aug 18 2010, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Aug 18 2010, 12:26 PM)
but i thought falun dafa is supposed to be a school of buddhism?

from your reaction i take it that you do not look at it in a positive way? sweat.gif
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Falun Dafa is not a school of Buddhism.


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post Aug 18 2010, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Aug 18 2010, 12:33 PM)
hmmm perhaps you are right, i thought they are related.
maybe i should re-read the book again to seek better understanding.

source: http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/pdf/zfl_en.pdf

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See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong

Excerpt -

alun Gong (alternatively Falun Dafa) is a system of beliefs and practices founded in China by Li Hongzhi in 1992. The practice emerged at the end of China's "qigong boom", a period of growth and popularity of similar practices. Falun Gong differs from other qigong schools in its absence of daily rituals of worship,[1] its greater emphasis on morality, and the theological nature of its teachings.[2][3] Western academics have described Falun Gong as a "spiritual movement" based on the teachings of its founder[4], a "cultivation system" in the tradition of Chinese antiquity,[5] and sometimes a new religious movement (NRM). Falun Gong places a heavy emphasis on morality in its central tenets - Truthfulness, Compassion, and Forbearance (Chinese: 真、善、忍).[6] Its teachings are derived from qigong, Buddhist and Taoist concepts.[5][7][8][9]


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QUOTE(dragynraken @ Aug 18 2010, 05:23 PM)
You sound like wanted to convert buddhist to christian but you failed. Don't burden yourself just do what you're doing in life. Everyone has his/her own path or road to walk. Busy body lol haha biggrin.gif
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I think that post was before this thread changed into a thread for Buddhism discussion.

All that is in the past now. Please move along.


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post Aug 18 2010, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(firefawkes @ Aug 18 2010, 05:46 PM)
so...apa lu mau diskus?
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Discuss like what has been going on the past 3-4 pages? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Hamas @ Aug 18 2010, 07:02 PM)
so its for buddhist to enjoy the taste and texture of meat when eating it without feeling bad
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No. Those full time vegetarians especially those who eat healthily, might not even want to eat that kind of food.

I am guessing that those fake meat are popular because it is something those who are not full time vegetarians can relate too. For example, they have fake roast duck. Sounds better than roast fucuk (which is what the fake roast duck is made of). smile.gif
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QUOTE(POYOZER @ Aug 19 2010, 12:18 AM)
The information keeps changing. =)  sweat.gif
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This is a good write up -

http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma3/budgod.html

Do Buddhists Believe in God? -- by Kusala Bhikshu
(A talk given at a high school in Los Angeles.)


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Why is it... The Buddha never talked about the One God of the desert, the Judeo-Christian God? Does this mean that all Buddhists are atheists and don’t believe in God? Did the Buddha believe in God?

These are some of the questions I would like to try and answer today.

The Buddha was born 500 years before Christ, in what is now Nepal. His dad was a king, his mom was a queen, and his dad wanted him to take over the family business (the kingdom) when he got older.

The kind of world the Buddha was born into was magical. Everything seemed to be alive. The trees, mountains, lakes, and sky were living and breathing with a variety of gods in charge. If you needed rain you asked one god, if you needed it to stop raining you asked another. The priests of India did all the religious work, and got paid for it.

In India at the time of the Buddha you became a priest if you were born into the right family, and not because of the school you went to, or the grades you got.

There were other kinds of religious people as well.

Mendicants were men who left their family, friends, and jobs to find the answers to life. They did not live in homes or apartments, but lived under trees and in caves, and would practice meditation all day long. They wanted to really be uncomfortable, so they could understand what suffering was all about.

Many kinds of meditation were practiced by these mendicants. In Tranquility Meditation for instance, you think about just one thing, like looking at a candle or saying a word over and over. When the mind becomes focused in oneness, you experience a great peacefulness.

Even if the mendicants were sitting in the rain on a cold day, they were still content. They found in their meditation practice the essence of happiness.

Renunciation is when you give up all the things that make your life pleasant. Sometimes the people with money and power in India would buy a lot of stuff to make themselves happy and their lives more comfortable, thinking that happiness and comfort depended on what they owned.

When the mendicants could see their own suffering clearly, after many years of renunciation, they understood that happiness was not dependent on the things they owned, but the kind of life they lived.

Even all the gods in India could not end the suffering of one human being.

At the age of 29, the Buddha stopped praying to the gods to end his suffering and the suffering of others. He left his family and friends, went to the edge of the forest, took off all his clothes and jewelry, covered his naked body with rags of cloth, cut off his hair and started to meditate.

He became a mendicant, and It took him six years of hard work and much suffering, but in the end he was able to stop his suffering forever (Nirvana) and help others stop their suffering as well.

Did the Buddha believe in God, the One God of the desert, the God of the Christians, Jews and Muslims?

Well... No... He didn't... Monotheism (only one God) was a foreign concept to the Buddha, his world was filled with many gods. The creator god Brahma being the most important one.

At the time of the Buddha, the only people practicing the religion of the One God of the desert, were the Jews. Remember, it was still 500 years before Christ came into the world.

The Buddha never left India. The Buddha walked from village to village... In his entire lifetime he never went any further than 200 miles from his birthplace.

The Buddha never met a Jew... And because of this, he never said anything about the One God of the desert.

There is also nothing in the teachings of the Buddha that suggest how to find God or worship the god's of India, although the Buddha himself was a theist (believed in gods), his teachings are non-theistic.

The Buddha was more concerned with the human condition: Birth, Sickness, Old age, and Death. The Buddhist path is about coming to a place of acceptance with these painful aspects of life, and not suffering through them.

Please be clear on this point... The Buddha is not thought of as a god in Buddhism and is not prayed to. He is looked up to and respected as a great teacher, in the same way we respect Abraham Lincoln as a great president.

He was a human being who found his perfection in Nirvana. Because of his Nirvana, the Buddha was perfectly moral, perfectly ethical, and ended his suffering forever.

Does that mean that every Buddhist in the world is an atheist?

No!!! I have met a lot of Buddhists who believe in God. I have met a lot of Buddhists who don’t believe in God... And a lot of Buddhists just don’t know.

All three points of view are OK if you’re Buddhist because suffering is more important than God in Buddhism.

Sometimes a student will ask me how everything in this world got started... "If you don’t have God in Buddhism then who or what caused the universe?"

When the Buddha was asked how the world started, he kept silent. In the religion of Buddhism we don’t have a first cause, instead we have a never ending circle of birth and death. In this world and in all worlds, there are many beginnings and ends. The model of life used in Buddhism has no starting place... It just keeps going and going.

Now having said that... If you’re a Buddhist it’s OK to believe God was the first cause... It really doesn't go against the teachings of the Buddha, his focus was on suffering... It's also OK to believe science has the answer… Like the big bang theory, etc... Some Buddhist’s don’t even care how it all started, and that’s fine too. Knowing how the world started is not going to end your suffering, it’s just going to give you more stuff to think about.

I hope you can see that God is not what Buddhism is about... Suffering is... And if you want to believe in God, as some Buddhists do, I suppose it's OK. But, Buddhist's don't believe God can end suffering. Only the teaching's of the Buddha can help us end suffering through wisdom and the activity of compassion.

In his whole life and in all his teachings the Buddha never said anything about the One God of the desert.
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QUOTE(Hamas @ Aug 19 2010, 12:32 AM)
its just stone. why want to worshipping a stone
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We don't worship stones or idols. We are just paying respect to Buddha and not worshiping the statue.

When the Taliban destroyed the statues, I didn't consider it as a big loss. After all nothing is permanent and it is like you said just stone.

It is however regrettable that such a cultural artifact that withstood hundreds of years is gone in an instant blown up by explosives.
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Hey guys could you stop with arguing and baiting each other? You guys are only messing up the thread.

Thank you.
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Closing tonight. You guys seem to be in an argumentative mood.


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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Aug 19 2010, 12:56 AM)
Closing tonight.  You guys seem to be in an argumentative mood.
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Reopened.

Please, no more arguments, debates about Buddhism compared to other religions, trolling, etc.

That Report button is looking rather enticing now.

This post has been edited by joe_mamak: Aug 19 2010, 10:21 AM
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Why debate about Jesus and Christianity in a Buddhism thread? Go to the Christianity thread, ok?


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QUOTE(bajie @ Aug 24 2010, 10:50 AM)
Long winded thread and so many misdirected buddhists.
If you're a true buddhist you should know.
Life = Suffering.
Since life = suffering and every action brings you good/bad karma..
You should not have children because you bring a life/soul to suffer.

That is bad karma, so you never get out of the attachment cycle because you're attached to love and afraid of loneliness when old/dying.
True spiritual people should not have children.
The flesh is a trap for the soul and corrupts them, causing them to be reincarnated again and again due to addiction to matter stimuli.
Want to escape this cycle of rebirths/reincarnation ?
Stop procreating and learn to face your fears of dying by yourself.
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I wish someone told your parents that.
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QUOTE(helload @ Aug 26 2011, 10:57 AM)
I once heard that it is not a sin in buddhist to have sex before marriage as long as the feeling of "love" is genuine... but to have a baby, you must do your responsibilities... inb4 abortion...

So, Buddhism follows time, generation, and keep on adapting?

I is not so sure, as I am not a hardcore religious guy...
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