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Group LYN Buddhism Retreat - SERIOUS TALK, No trolling please
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 6 2016, 01:12 PM) I don't know much about Taoist rites, so I can only give you opinion based on Buddhism. Does not answer my queries but tq for your reply and time anyway.The best person to perform the Transfer of Merits is the relatives of the departed one, because he knows and remembers his former relatives, and the relatives also know him. I mean, imagine ourselves in very suffering condition, sometimes a name of a person will come to our mind that we hope can help us right? and if that person actually knows how, and comes to help us, we will benefit. Usually transfer of merit in buddhism is done , by giving alms to the Sangha (community of monks), (food ,medicine, shelter , robes) - and there is an ancient formula to recite translated to "This is for my relative, may he be well and happy", best if followed by conviction and full understanding in the Karma of giving. Some families will invite monk to their house , to offer food (dana) on behalf of their departed ones. As for your current situation, my advice 1. continue to give alms to the Sangha on your father's behalf, always remember him and mention his name whenever you do good deeds 2. as for yourself, don't worry too much about what you will become , cultivate the dhamma, purify your mind, and chances are you won't be born into the ghost realm. Nirvana is best |
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 6 2016, 01:12 PM) I don't know much about Taoist rites, so I can only give you opinion based on Buddhism. I am familiar with the Transfer of Merits ritual you describe.The best person to perform the Transfer of Merits is the relatives of the departed one, because he knows and remembers his former relatives, and the relatives also know him. I mean, imagine ourselves in very suffering condition, sometimes a name of a person will come to our mind that we hope can help us right? and if that person actually knows how, and comes to help us, we will benefit. Usually transfer of merit in buddhism is done , by giving alms to the Sangha (community of monks), (food ,medicine, shelter , robes) - and there is an ancient formula to recite translated to "This is for my relative, may he be well and happy", best if followed by conviction and full understanding in the Karma of giving. Some families will invite monk to their house , to offer food (dana) on behalf of their departed ones. As for your current situation, my advice 1. continue to give alms to the Sangha on your father's behalf, always remember him and mention his name whenever you do good deeds 2. as for yourself, don't worry too much about what you will become , cultivate the dhamma, purify your mind, and chances are you won't be born into the ghost realm. Nirvana is best Reading this again, i realize that you have in fact answered my query. "The best person to perform the Transfer of Merits is the relatives of the departed one" - a corollary of this is that there must be a living person who performs this ritual. A deceased cannot do a Trf of Merits ritual or by logical extension, the Chao-Du ritual, hence once i have passed away, regardless of having paid/donated whatever amounts for the ritual to be done in favour of my late father, there is no living person ie me, that "effects" the trf/ritual. Would that be correct? |
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Dec 6 2016, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(EdBaaBaa @ Dec 6 2016, 01:59 PM) I am familiar with the Transfer of Merits ritual you describe. hmm, maybe you should ask the temple that organizes the ritual lo, i also dunno much about it.Reading this again, i realize that you have in fact answered my query. "The best person to perform the Transfer of Merits is the relatives of the departed one" - a corollary of this is that there must be a living person who performs this ritual. A deceased cannot do a Trf of Merits ritual or by logical extension, the Chao-Du ritual, hence once i have passed away, regardless of having paid/donated whatever amounts for the ritual to be done in favour of my late father, there is no living person ie me, that "effects" the trf/ritual. Would that be correct? looks like a Taoist ritual Chao-du But Theravada buddhism transfer of merits is done in a different way, where the donation is given directly to the Monks on behalf of relatives. |
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Dec 6 2016, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 6 2016, 02:34 PM) hmm, maybe you should ask the temple that organizes the ritual lo, i also dunno much about it. Regardless of whether it's the Chao-Du (Taoist maybe) or Trf of Merits ritual, it would appear that there must be a living person who "effects" the transfer.looks like a Taoist ritual Chao-du But Theravada buddhism transfer of merits is done in a different way, where the donation is given directly to the Monks on behalf of relatives. I just wanted to know what happens if i arranged prayers for my late father prior to my own passing, whether those "prayers/ritual" will have any effect once I myself pass away. It appears to me that those "prayers/ritual" need a living person to have "effect". |
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After I die, there will be nobody who will do prayer/chanting/rituals for my late father.
Is there anything I can do now, b4 my death, so that such prayers/chanting/rituals can be done for my late father after my passing? any suggestions/ideas would be appreciated. |
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Dec 6 2016, 03:23 PM
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Hi guys, do u believe Family Constellation this kind of thing?
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 6 2016, 04:44 PM) For what's its worth, assuming (this you don't know for certain) that your late father OIC1. is in the Peta world (ghost) 2. knows you are doing something for him and rejoices in it 3. you are doing something for him , eg by giving alms on his behalf he will already left the Peta world So, don't worry too much. Just do what you can now. tq |
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QUOTE(EdBaaBaa @ Dec 6 2016, 03:08 PM) After I die, there will be nobody who will do prayer/chanting/rituals for my late father. actually the best transferring merits to your father is by chanting by you...Is there anything I can do now, b4 my death, so that such prayers/chanting/rituals can be done for my late father after my passing? any suggestions/ideas would be appreciated. Cos u n your father got very strong karma bondage, that's why he become your father this life.... Not only chanting, everytime u do a good deeds like saving a cat/dog or u donate to temple, u also can transfer those merit to your father .... According to ksitigarba sutra, every merit u transfer, your father only get 1/7 of the merit, balance 6/7 is yours. |
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QUOTE(will4848 @ Dec 7 2016, 07:30 AM) actually the best transferring merits to your father is by chanting by you... I dunno how to chant and truthfully not inclined to learn.Cos u n your father got very strong karma bondage, that's why he become your father this life.... Not only chanting, everytime u do a good deeds like saving a cat/dog or u donate to temple, u also can transfer those merit to your father .... According to ksitigarba sutra, every merit u transfer, your father only get 1/7 of the merit, balance 6/7 is yours. max i can play the chant on music player - does this have any benefit? Also, I am curious how the merit is divided - what's the reason it is in sevenths? |
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1. heard you can become christian (religion) and buddist (way of life) at a same time. is it true? not bercanggah meh? 2. does buddist consider a religion? do they have believe in/about the after life? 3. is this buddist or taoist thread? got different? This post has been edited by EarendurFefalas: Dec 7 2016, 10:23 AM |
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QUOTE(EdBaaBaa @ Dec 7 2016, 08:17 AM) I dunno how to chant and truthfully not inclined to learn. this 1 is up to u la ... max i can play the chant on music player - does this have any benefit? no benefit, human chant only got power Also, I am curious how the merit is divided - what's the reason it is in sevenths? i dont know, but thats what the sutra say |
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