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exsea
post Oct 13 2011, 08:47 AM

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saying buddhism and hinduism is the same just because some of the concepts or roots are the same, might as well just say all the religions are the same.

ice lemon tea and milkshakes are also the same, coz theyre both drinks and both use liquids.
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post Oct 13 2011, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Oct 13 2011, 08:13 AM)
I think Kasina meditation normally taught to monks and they practice it in seclusion.

I came across a sutta where the Buddha gave an advice on graduated training to a lay disciples (upasaka) and recommended him to undertake Loving Kindness meditation , and if possible the best is to do Vipassana. (gain insight). I can't remember the sutta's name, but it goes something like this

"good to do dana to the Buddha, better to the entire Sangha, better than that have confidence in the Tripple Gem, better than that undertake sila training (morality), better than that Loving kindness, better than that gain Insight."

Can anyone find this sutta?

p/s I think basically we do Metta and Vipassana, we won't be very wrong in our practice within this lifetime. and maybe this is why metta/vipassana is taught widely to the lay disciples.
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both of them are safe bets but many masters have advised holding back meditation if you suffer from mental illness as it amplifies it. So i heard.
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post Oct 13 2011, 08:58 AM

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agree with above.

especially if a person has been taught how to meditate by a different master.

one case i saw was a girl started crying uncontrollably after meditating, me n my friends could do nothing to help
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post Oct 13 2011, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(exsea @ Oct 13 2011, 08:58 AM)
agree with above.

especially if a person has been taught how to meditate by a different master.

one case i saw was a girl started crying uncontrollably after meditating, me n my friends could do nothing to help
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being loyal to a master has many benefits. and you should inform the master of any mental illness beforehand. Its very dangerous. I read that one lady started dancing uncontrollably after doing meditation because she has mental problems before meditating
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post Oct 13 2011, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(exsea @ Oct 13 2011, 08:58 AM)
agree with above.

especially if a person has been taught how to meditate by a different master.

one case i saw was a girl started crying uncontrollably after meditating, me n my friends could do nothing to help
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it's due to kamma. Some past kamma manifest during meditation.
soul2soul
post Oct 13 2011, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 13 2011, 08:49 AM)
both of them are safe bets but many masters have advised holding back meditation if you suffer from mental illness as it amplifies it. So i heard.
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Metta is a very safe meditation. I have heard of people doing kasina , due to their past kamma, they cannot switch off the kasina nimitta in their mind.... sweat.gif sweat.gif

They keep seeing the kasina even not in meditation.. sweat.gif
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post Oct 13 2011, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Oct 13 2011, 10:18 AM)
Metta is a very safe meditation. I have heard of people doing kasina , due to their past kamma, they cannot switch off the kasina nimitta in their mind....  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

They keep seeing the kasina even not in meditation..  sweat.gif
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lol yep thats why kasina meditation can be quite....dangerous and so is vipassana when done unsupervised
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post Oct 13 2011, 10:31 AM

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last time when i joined a novitiate program i knew one guy.

he seemed ok but after awhile he turned different.

i would theorize he forced meditation on himself and meditated wrongly.

i remember one case where he was in the meditation hall for quite sometime, got out of meditation and saw there was another person still in the meditation hall still meditating.

i can only assume he's kiasu as he went to that lady and tapped her shoulder (breaking her out of her meditation) to tell her that he was going out from the hall and asked her to close the doors when she got out.

D:
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post Oct 13 2011, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(exsea @ Oct 13 2011, 10:31 AM)
last time when i joined a novitiate program i knew one guy.

he seemed ok but after awhile he turned different.

i would theorize he forced meditation on himself and meditated wrongly.

i remember one case where he was in the meditation hall for quite sometime, got out of meditation and saw there was another person still in the meditation hall still meditating.

i can only assume he's kiasu as he went to that lady and tapped her shoulder (breaking her out of her meditation) to tell her that he was going out from the hall and asked her to close the doors when she got out.

D:
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wow novitiate - notworthy.gif
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post Oct 13 2011, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 13 2011, 10:25 AM)
lol yep thats why kasina meditation can be quite....dangerous and so is vipassana when done unsupervised
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agreed. but some people do it on their own after reading from internet.. i don't dare .. even I know a bit of the theory of Kasina..
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post Oct 13 2011, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(exsea @ Oct 13 2011, 10:31 AM)
last time when i joined a novitiate program i knew one guy.

he seemed ok but after awhile he turned different.

i would theorize he forced meditation on himself and meditated wrongly.

i remember one case where he was in the meditation hall for quite sometime, got out of meditation and saw there was another person still in the meditation hall still meditating.

i can only assume he's kiasu as he went to that lady and tapped her shoulder (breaking her out of her meditation) to tell her that he was going out from the hall and asked her to close the doors when she got out.

D:
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is it at brickfields? i was a noviciate there before, twice
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post Oct 13 2011, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Oct 13 2011, 10:57 AM)
agreed. but some people do it on their own after reading from internet.. i don't dare .. even I know a bit of the theory of Kasina..
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dont do it because once you open up some really bad karma...you'll go bonkers. I found a nice write up on the theory a while back but im not gonna attempt it.

http://blog.tsemtulku.com/tsem-tulku-rinpo...n-rinpoche.html

thats the one i think
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post Oct 13 2011, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 13 2011, 10:25 AM)
lol yep thats why kasina meditation can be quite....dangerous and so is vipassana when done unsupervised
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kasina yes very much so. vipassana 50-50 but rarely see people go bonkers unless they have an unstable mind to start with. on normal circumstances, it is most often than not the guilt/regrets of past actions being played over and over again when one tries to do vipassana. dats why metta to oneself and other living beings is so important. if we cant forgive ourselves, we cant go beyond the threshold of meditation progress.

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post Oct 13 2011, 02:13 PM

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to u two novitiates, i bow notworthy.gif

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post Oct 13 2011, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 13 2011, 02:10 PM)
kasina yes very much so. vipassana 50-50 but rarely see people go bonkers unless they have an unstable mind to start with. on normal circumstances, it is most often than not the guilt/regrets of past actions being played over and over again when one tries to do vipassana. dats why metta to oneself and other living beings is so important. if we cant forgive ourselves, we cant go beyond the threshold of meditation progress.
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yeah but most people with unstable mind would know and when they do vipassana.....booomz
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post Oct 13 2011, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 13 2011, 02:10 PM)
kasina yes very much so. vipassana 50-50 but rarely see people go bonkers unless they have an unstable mind to start with. on normal circumstances, it is most often than not the guilt/regrets of past actions being played over and over again when one tries to do vipassana. dats why metta to oneself and other living beings is so important. if we cant forgive ourselves, we cant go beyond the threshold of meditation progress.
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post Oct 14 2011, 10:24 AM

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Which one is more older - Hinduism or Buddhism?

What's the meaning of the chants that you guys repeat on?
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post Oct 14 2011, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Sep 28 2010, 10:20 AM)
major schools?what do u mean?
as long as the teachings are based on the 4 noble truths..then it is real Buddhism..
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what 4 noble truths? .....
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post Oct 14 2011, 10:47 AM

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i thought we malaysian buddhist actually worship some mixture of taoism and buddhism?

cos most temples got Tua Pek Khong, Goddess of Mercy Guan Yin, Kuan Ti Kong, the Laughing Buddha, the Jade Emperor, Confucious, Sun Wu Kong etc etc, and Sakyamuni Buddha.

and if you go to some temples, there are actually 3 Buddhas instead of 1. the Sakyamuni buddha is the one in the middle. anybody know what the other 2 are?


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post Oct 14 2011, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(mysa_strato @ Oct 14 2011, 10:24 AM)
Which one is more older - Hinduism or Buddhism?

What's the meaning of the chants that you guys repeat on?
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Hinduism is older

Metta = loving kindness

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