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soul2soul
post Oct 12 2011, 12:16 PM

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Interesting, Hotjake, have you ever tried Kasina meditation?

I know a bit of the theory, but I am not sure if there are any masters in KL to teach it. I heard it's quite popular in certain monasteries in Burma (samatha-based) and also in Thailand.

I think in KL the most popular samatha is ANapanasati and Metta. Other than that, maybe I am just being ignorant, I am not sure of the other Samatha being taught widely.
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post Oct 12 2011, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Oct 12 2011, 12:16 PM)
Interesting, Hotjake, have you ever tried Kasina meditation?

I know a bit of the theory, but I am not sure if there are any masters in KL to teach it. I heard it's quite popular in certain monasteries in Burma (samatha-based) and also in Thailand.

I think in KL the most popular samatha is ANapanasati and Metta. Other than that, maybe I am just being ignorant, I am not sure of the other Samatha being taught widely.
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But Vipasanna meditation is definitely more interesting.
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post Oct 12 2011, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 12:18 PM)
But Vipasanna meditation is definitely more interesting.
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It is indeed. biggrin.gif


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post Oct 12 2011, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Oct 12 2011, 12:16 PM)
Interesting, Hotjake, have you ever tried Kasina meditation?

I know a bit of the theory, but I am not sure if there are any masters in KL to teach it. I heard it's quite popular in certain monasteries in Burma (samatha-based) and also in Thailand.

I think in KL the most popular samatha is ANapanasati and Metta. Other than that, maybe I am just being ignorant, I am not sure of the other Samatha being taught widely.
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Venerable Aggacitta taught me once in a dhamma camp (he was explaining the difference between samatha and vipassana to his students) but kinda difficult/din work for me or perhaps i should try harder lol. It's quite popular yes in burma and thailand.

Metta is very important to support vipassana; a very powerful tool to calm the mind down. Anapanasati is actually vipassana; it means mindfulness of the in and out breaths. methods may differ but if the principle/fundamental of the meditation is the same it is still vipassana meditation. However, in and out breaths can still be the object for Samatha Meditation; very difficult (due to its changing nature) but still can be done by discarding all other arising phenomena namely the 4 Spheres/Foundations of Mindfulness. in short, samatha's focus is to lead to absorption while vipassana: insight. however upon achieving absorption thru samatha it can be channeled to observing the four foundations of mindfulness which is vipassana and thus lead to insight/wisdom.

check out Anapanasati Sutta together with the all-important Satipatthana Sutta and also their commentaries/reviews by authors/notable monks for deeper explanations although it can be used as samatha solely if mind stays on breath alone and discard all arising phenomena required in vipassana.

one more thing to add, samatha's object is limitless. u can recite Coca-Cola/Pepsi all-day long without break and with concentration, u'd still get adsorbed in it/ even achieve absorption. try it.

oh ya, i'm not sure who in kl can teach kasina meditation too.

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post Oct 12 2011, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 12 2011, 04:07 PM)
Venerable Aggacitta taught me once in a dhamma camp (he was explaining the difference between samatha and vipassana to his students) but kinda difficult/din work for me or perhaps i should try harder lol. It's quite popular yes in burma and thailand.

Metta is very important to support vipassana; a very powerful tool to calm the mind down. Anapanasati is actually vipassana; it means mindfulness of the in and out breaths. methods may differ but if the principle/fundamental of the meditation is the same it is still vipassana meditation. However, in and out breaths can still be the object for Samatha Meditation; very difficult (due to its changing nature) but still can be done by discarding all other arising phenomena namely the 4 Spheres/Foundations of Mindfulness. in short, samatha's focus is to lead to absorption while vipassana: insight. however upon achieving absorption thru samatha it can be channeled to observing the four foundations of mindfulness which is vipassana and thus lead to insight/wisdom.   

check out Anapanasati Sutta together with the all-important Satipatthana Sutta and also their commentaries/reviews by authors/notalbe monks for deeper explanations although it can be used as samatha solely if mind stays on breath alone and discard all arising phenomena required in vipassana.

one more thing to add, samatha's object is limitless. u can recite Coca-Cola/Pepsi all-day long without break and with concentration, u'd still get adsorbed in it/ even achieve absorption. try it
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Samantha: focusing on one object; results in Samadhi

Vipassana: introspection of the self; results in wisdom

both methods are different. different schools approach them differently also.

Goenka's method combines samantha and vipassana.

Samadhi is essential when combined with wisdom for arahatship

In the tibetan view, we practice vipassana everyday as we think and brainstorm for our daily needs but very little Samantha and that we can only attain samadhi after knowing how the mind works.


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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 04:15 PM)
Samantha: focusing on one object; results in Samadhi

Vipassana: introspection of the self; results in wisdom

both methods are different. different schools approach them differently also.

Goenka's method combines samantha and vipassana.

Samadhi is essential when combined with wisdom for arahatship

In the tibetan view, we practice vipassana everyday as we think and brainstorm for our daily needs but very little Samantha and that we can only attain samadhi after knowing how the mind works.
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read the suttas stated by me first bro. metta is samatha. we use it in combination/as support for vipassana. i have no disagreement there

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Guys....how do you practice the mediation , please do teach me .
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 12 2011, 04:16 PM)
read the suttas stated by me first bro.
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I've read them before but cant really recall them now

but here's the tibetan method of developing samadhi: http://blog.tsemtulku.com/tsem-tulku-rinpo...n-rinpoche.html
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 04:19 PM)
I've read them before but cant really recall them now

but here's the  tibetan method of developing samadhi: http://blog.tsemtulku.com/tsem-tulku-rinpo...n-rinpoche.html
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ya i've read that too tongue.gif


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post Oct 12 2011, 04:23 PM

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there's a lot of interesting things in tibetan buddhism like Tantra, Dzogchen, Mahamudra, Tonglen, Naropa's 6 Yogas etc its like finding the gold mine of Dharma tongue.gif

but they also have a more elaborate view of the nikayas as well
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QUOTE(ghoss @ Oct 12 2011, 04:16 PM)
Guys....how do you practice the mediation , please do teach me .
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u serious bro? or trolling? i can't be sure.

anyways, if you're in Penang then u're a very lucky person. Head to Bodhi Heart Sanctuary at Mount Eskine near the graveyard there. they have all kinds of dharma & meditation classes from different schools of buddhism.
http://www.bodhihearts.net/

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post Oct 12 2011, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(ghoss @ Oct 12 2011, 04:16 PM)
Guys....how do you practice the mediation , please do teach me .
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you can try this link: http://blog.tsemtulku.com/tsem-tulku-rinpo...n-rinpoche.html

but not exactly a good idea to practice meditation without supervision
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 04:23 PM)
there's a lot of interesting things in tibetan buddhism like Tantra, Dzogchen, Mahamudra, Tonglen, Naropa's 6 Yogas etc its like finding the gold mine of Dharma tongue.gif

but they also have a more elaborate view of the nikayas as well
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Tantra, Mahamudra accessible by normal people? or must we receive instruction from a guru whom we have come to follow?

btw, how is Tsem Tulku Rinpoche's plan to build the tallest Je Tsongkhapa's statue in malaysia?

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post Oct 12 2011, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 12 2011, 04:31 PM)
Tantra, Mahamudra accessible by normal people? or must we receive instruction from a guru whom we have come to follow?

btw, how is Tsem Tulku Rinpoche's plan to build the highest Je Tsongkhapa's statue in malaysia?
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both are not accessible but there are books on them. However with practices like these you can only achieve results if you receive them from a qualified teacher who have practiced them also. It is said that reading on them without explanation from someone with experience would result in wrong views and that you can never achieve results.


there are many other practices that can be done by normal people. Tonglen is one of them and it is very hard to master. there's also the 8 verses of transforming the mind.

its slowly building up to that. it has to be done in stages first tongue.gif

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post Oct 12 2011, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 12 2011, 04:23 PM)
u serious bro? or trolling? i can't be sure.

anyways, if you're in Penang then u're a very lucky person. Head to Bodhi Heart Sanctuary at Mount Eskine near the graveyard there. they have all kinds of dharma & meditation classes from different schools of buddhism.
http://www.bodhihearts.net/
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bro , not trolling here sweat.gif

I use to go Mahindarama Buddhist Temple when I'm small . I practice some of the teachings but not strictly sweat.gif

QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 04:24 PM)
you can try this link: http://blog.tsemtulku.com/tsem-tulku-rinpo...n-rinpoche.html

but not exactly a good idea to practice meditation without supervision
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Why is that so ? hmm.gif

I might get it wrong ?


By the way, if you guys got time , I suggest you read the Buddha Manga quite interesting story.
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(ghoss @ Oct 12 2011, 04:38 PM)
bro , not trolling here  sweat.gif

I use to go Mahindarama Buddhist Temple when I'm small . I practice some of the teachings but not strictly  sweat.gif
Why is that so ?  hmm.gif

I might get it wrong ?
By the way, if you guys got time , I suggest you read the Buddha Manga quite interesting story.
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yup. once you do its very hard to go back. I suggest you do some buddhist studies before you start

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post Oct 12 2011, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(ghoss @ Oct 12 2011, 04:38 PM)
bro , not trolling here  sweat.gif

I use to go Mahindarama Buddhist Temple when I'm small . I practice some of the teachings but not strictly  sweat.gif   hmm.gif

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did you go to mahindarama's sunday school? haha.... what's ur name? dats it, do more studies and try meditate each day and see. increase the time for meditation as u progress and see.

mahindarama do organises meditation classes from time to time. and also retreats which are more intensive in nature. MBMC in green lane too

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post Oct 12 2011, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 04:38 PM)
its slowly building up to that. it has to be done in stages first tongue.gif
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hmm.. awesome! if got pics, can pm me?
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 12 2011, 04:46 PM)
hmm.. awesome! if got pics, can pm me?
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Nah as in grow Kechara in stages before that comes out. No statue yet
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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Oct 12 2011, 04:47 PM)
Nah as in grow Kechara in stages before that comes out. No statue yet
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oh... i understand what u mean. ermm.. one question what's with the paranormal office in Aman Suria? what is it for? very cute smile.gif

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