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Group LYN Buddhism Retreat - SERIOUS TALK, No trolling please

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post Aug 10 2010, 09:55 PM

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aiseh./... .no fair.. why
LYNOfficial Islam Thread
LYN Christian Lounge

these 2 thread can exist in /k/. this buddhist thread must come here sad.gif
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post Aug 10 2010, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(POYOZER @ Aug 10 2010, 08:06 PM)
You, as a Christian, you should believe your religion is perfect. Your holy book is a guide and also a way of life. There is no such thing grab here and there then make it hybrid. Have you talk about this with your Christian friends?

Please don’t create false information to mislead other people.
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its not good to dim every little thing that is not written in the your holy scripture as "evil" or "unorthodox". certain parts of your life share similarities with other religions such as islam, hindu, christianity ..etc. so does that mean you are not faithful etc because of this similarities with other religions? Despite being how engrossed you are, no one is capable of being 100% of what the scripture want you to be
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QUOTE(chezzball @ Aug 10 2010, 09:55 PM)
aiseh./... .no fair.. why
LYNOfficial Islam Thread
LYN Christian Lounge

these 2 thread can exist in /k/. this buddhist thread must come here sad.gif
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Maybe there are several forum members bring the heavy debate up and trolling around. Please refer the previous posts.

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QUOTE(Keith321 @ Aug 10 2010, 09:56 PM)
its not good to dim every little thing that is not written in the your holy scripture as "evil" or "unorthodox". certain parts of your life share similarities with other religions such as islam, hindu, christianity ..etc. so does that mean you are not faithful etc because of this similarities with other religions? Despite being how engrossed you are, no one is capable of being 100% of what the scripture want you to be
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Mind to share which part is not in the bible? Yes, of course all religions teach the good things. That’s why there are some similarities. The problem now is you are a Christian which only believes in one.

This post has been edited by POYOZER: Aug 10 2010, 11:09 PM
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post Aug 10 2010, 11:03 PM

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Wow. This is now in RWI. <Eerie Twilight Zone theme playing>

So, must we post more than one-liners? Not that I can't do that. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 10 2010, 11:18 PM

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may i know who is the mod that move this thread here? reason? thx
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post Aug 10 2010, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Aug 10 2010, 11:03 PM)
Wow.  This is now in RWI.  <Eerie Twilight Zone theme playing>

So, must we post more than one-liners?  Not that I can't do that.  biggrin.gif
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joe... this become a buddhist thread already.. go change ur tittle...
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post Aug 10 2010, 11:22 PM

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i think the mod move it here so that the troller cannot troll here liao LOL
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post Aug 10 2010, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(chezzball @ Aug 10 2010, 11:22 PM)
i think the mod move it here so that the troller cannot troll here liao LOL
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Wait a while.

Guys, if you want to discuss Christianity and other religion, could you please take it elsewhere?

Thank you. smile.gif
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post Aug 10 2010, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Aug 10 2010, 11:24 PM)
Wait a while. 

Guys, if you want to discuss Christianity and other religion, could you please take it elsewhere? 

Thank you.  smile.gif
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Please monitor this thread to make sure it clean from trolls. Maybe you could do like the other two threads such as sharing information among members and Q&A. At the same time it will give good knowledge to non-Buddhists to understand more on Buddhism. Good luck.
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Is it true that in Theravada Buddhism, women cannot gain enlightenment as only men can gain enlightenment? Compared to Mahayana Buddhism, everyone can gain enlightenment.
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story:

one day a student monk ask a old monk: shi fu, if i saw a beautiful gal drown into the river should i save her?

old monk: of course, every life is precious...

student: but doesn't it makes me break my sexual restriction on Buddha teaching since i'll be holding her to save her?

old monk: ahh... there u go, u already breaking it by thinking about it..
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QUOTE(POYOZER @ Aug 10 2010, 11:34 PM)
Please monitor this thread to make sure it clean from trolls. Maybe you could do like the other two threads such as sharing information among members and Q&A. At the same time it will give good knowledge to non-Buddhists to understand more on Buddhism. Good luck.
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Thank you for your well wishes. smile.gif
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post Aug 11 2010, 12:12 AM

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Nice work Joe, finally it got sent to RWI.
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Hey, didn't know got such thread here. Now that it's officially the Buddhism thread. I suggest everyone keeps it clean and stick to topic. Those who wants to talk about other religion and debate please go elsewhere as there is already enough threads for that.

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post Aug 12 2010, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(Cho_Hakkai @ Aug 10 2010, 11:45 PM)
Is it true that in Theravada Buddhism, women cannot gain enlightenment as only men can gain enlightenment? Compared to Mahayana Buddhism, everyone can gain enlightenment.
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totally not true. smile.gif everybody as an equal chance, irregardless of race and religion, to attain enlightenment.




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post Aug 12 2010, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(Cho_Hakkai @ Aug 10 2010, 11:45 PM)
Is it true that in Theravada Buddhism, women cannot gain enlightenment as only men can gain enlightenment? Compared to Mahayana Buddhism, everyone can gain enlightenment.
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NO!!!

In theravada all can attain enlightenment. The Buddha initially refused to ordain females as nuns into the order because of practical purpose.

Those days in India was not like the streets in the modern world today. A woman who walked alone in the forest will be subjected to so many dangers from wild animals and sex perverts, not to mention bandits. And also physical limitation, women have regular menses , and during the old time there wasn't things like "tuala wanita" ..... so the females who are menstruating were really very inconvenient for them to travel.

Those who were ordained had to walk for miles to the town to get alms (food and medicines) on daily basis. Because of this, there was a lot of physical strain on females at that time. However, Ven Ananda asked the Buddha if females can attain enlightenment and are equally capable of pursuing the noble goal. To that the Buddha said "YES".

The Buddha finally agreed to ordain females as nuns, but he made extra rules for the females in order to guard them against dangers, etc.

Buddha's wife attained enlightenment and she became very proficient in psychic powers among the females. There were many notable female arahants at that time!!


That being said, the order of the Nuns in Theravada buddhism became extinct in the 10th century in Sri Lanka after the civil war there. Very unfortunate.

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How can we differentiate what is traditional Chinese practice, Taoism and Buddhism?

In Malaysia, these 3 are basically the same.

Is worshipping our ancestors part of Buddhism, Chinese traditional practice or Taoism?

Is burning paper money and incese part of Buddhism, Chinese traditional practice or Taoism?

Do hell and heaven exist in Buddhism? And whats the difference from the Taoism version?

Is going vegetarian part of Buddhism, Chinese traditional practice or Taoism?

And a lot of people has the perception that if you want to be a monk, you have to sever all your ties with your parents, friends, relatives as well as your own family, how is this good since you will be causing so much pain to others?

From my experience, I have heard and seen monk, nun that is a kleptomaniac, pervert as well as some so claimed pious Buddhists that is just plain hypocrite that lie, cheat, brag, backstab, greedy and with other behaviour problems. Aren't these people should be controlling themselves?

I am a Buddhist but I consider myself more atheist than Buddhist ever since I started questioning the concept of Karma, Enlightment and Rebirth.
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QUOTE(neoengsheng @ Aug 12 2010, 04:03 PM)

Is worshipping our ancestors part of Buddhism, Chinese traditional practice or Taoism?
Not buddhism

Is burning paper money and incese part of Buddhism, Chinese traditional practice or Taoism?
Not buddhism

Do hell and heaven exist in Buddhism? And whats the difference from the Taoism version?
Yes. I don't know about Taoism. Mind telling us what they believe? I heard got 18 levels of Hell.

buddhism got 31 places (reference in suttas and abhidhamma)


Is going vegetarian part of Buddhism, Chinese traditional practice or Taoism?
Earlier buddhist practice - not vegetarian. Theravada
Later part of buddhism (mahayana) - vegetarian emphasized


And  a lot of people has the perception that if you want to be a monk, you have to sever all your ties with your parents, friends, relatives as well as your own family, how is this good since you will be causing so much pain to others?

They must get permission from their parents to become a monk. It's inside the Vinaya rule. This one the Buddha made the rule after his father complained to him.


From my experience, I have heard and seen monk, nun that is a kleptomaniac, pervert as well as some so claimed pious Buddhists that is just plain hypocrite that lie, cheat, brag, backstab, greedy and with other behaviour problems. Aren't these people should be controlling themselves?

Monks have to abide by the strict vinaya rules. Many people become monks for many reasons - running away from authority is one of them. The right reason is to dedicate one's life to attain the enlightenment.

I am a Buddhist but I consider myself more atheist than Buddhist ever since I started questioning the concept of Karma, Enlightment and Rebirth.
Maybe you can share with us what queries you might have pertaining karma, rebirth?

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QUOTE(neoengsheng @ Aug 12 2010, 04:03 PM)
How can we differentiate what is traditional Chinese practice, Taoism and Buddhism?

In Malaysia, these 3 are basically the same.

Is worshipping our ancestors part of Buddhism, Chinese traditional practice or Taoism?

Is burning paper money and incese part of Buddhism, Chinese traditional practice or Taoism?

Do hell and heaven exist in Buddhism? And whats the difference from the Taoism version?

Is going vegetarian part of Buddhism, Chinese traditional practice or Taoism?

And  a lot of people has the perception that if you want to be a monk, you have to sever all your ties with your parents, friends, relatives as well as your own family, how is this good since you will be causing so much pain to others?

From my experience, I have heard and seen monk, nun that is a kleptomaniac, pervert as well as some so claimed pious Buddhists that is just plain hypocrite that lie, cheat, brag, backstab, greedy and with other behaviour problems. Aren't these people should be controlling themselves?

I am a Buddhist but I consider myself more atheist than Buddhist ever since I started questioning the concept of Karma, Enlightment and Rebirth.
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1. To be honest it's very easy to differentiate. The only reason why someone cannot differentiate is because the person never really understands Buddhism, what is the religion about, what is it trying to cultivate and teach us, etc. You should start by reading some dharma books smile.gif

2. Do you know what is the 5 Precepts?

3. Certain people might take advantage by using the religion so it's pointless to take these people as example. If you want a good example, please learn from someone that really practices Buddhism
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Aug 12 2010, 04:27 PM)
1. To be honest it's very easy to differentiate. The only reason why someone cannot differentiate is because the person never really understands Buddhism, what is the religion about, what is it trying to cultivate and teach us, etc. You should start by reading some dharma books smile.gif

2. Do you know what is the 5 Precepts?

3. Certain people might take advantage by using the religion so it's pointless to take these people as example. If you want a good example, please learn from someone that really practices Buddhism
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To be honest, you should assume my knowledge of Buddhism to be 0. I only knows what my parents taught me and that too is very minimal and I suspect is a combination of Taoism since I know that Buddhism has no concept of worshipping gods.

This is made worse by the fact that religion and believes is at the bottom of the list of what is important to me in life. Religion(I know, Buddhism is a way of life) too is the least I am concerned about when making decisions since I already have more than enough to worry about. All my life, I am guided only by moral values and my own principles.

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