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 Starcraft II : WOL Male Characters, Which one u like? Or hate the most?

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TSpetrofsky77
post Aug 3 2010, 10:51 PM, updated 16y ago

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Come come ... vote for your most likeable (human only) character (or the most hated) ... tongue.gif rclxms.gif
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post Aug 3 2010, 10:59 PM

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shouldn't u add protoss too? zeratul.. or zerg.. overmind maybe..lol
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post Aug 3 2010, 11:00 PM

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Read the Dark Templar saga, Valerian is awesome man.
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post Aug 3 2010, 11:02 PM

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Let's concentrate on the Terran first okay, besides, it is Wings Of Liberty after all ... tongue.gif
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post Aug 4 2010, 12:53 AM

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Tychus ofcourse!
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post Aug 4 2010, 02:27 AM

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Tychus Findlay FTW. Sad ending for him tho... laugh.gif
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post Aug 4 2010, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(flix @ Aug 4 2010, 02:27 AM)
Tychus Findlay FTW. Sad ending for him tho...  laugh.gif
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post Aug 4 2010, 08:37 AM

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woo...i thought raynor would pwn in this...but still...current result is unexpected biggrin.gif
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post Aug 4 2010, 10:36 AM

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There wasnt a non "too much stereotypical", non badly voiced with non badly written script male characters in the whole list

Voice acting and script written of Blizz has gone quite low since Warcraft 3

The only one I found acceptable was Zeratul.
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post Aug 4 2010, 11:23 AM

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wat, only me and someone else rooting for warfield. fail.

ONLY TERRAN TO PUNCH A FRIGGIN HYDRA MAN. SERIOUSLY.
GAR-field (lol cat) if you ask me!
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post Aug 4 2010, 11:56 AM

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havent finish campaign, so wont judge yet.,
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 4 2010, 11:23 AM)
wat, only me and someone else rooting for warfield. fail.

ONLY TERRAN TO PUNCH A FRIGGIN HYDRA MAN. SERIOUSLY.
GAR-field (lol cat) if you ask me!
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Yep! Frigging Terran who punched a Hydra tongue.gif And block Hydra spines with his hands biggrin.gif
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post Aug 4 2010, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Gormaz @ Aug 4 2010, 10:36 AM)
There wasnt a non "too much stereotypical", non badly voiced with non badly written script male characters in the whole list

Voice acting and script written of Blizz has gone quite low since Warcraft 3

The only one I found acceptable was Zeratul.
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Same here.

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post Aug 6 2010, 12:08 AM

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“Tosh.” How Apt.

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As I moaned last week, while I’m entirely digging the game design otherwise, I’m finding StarCraft II’s writing a bit of a chore. At times it seems like it was generated by a machine, or perhaps a horse with a Dictaphone. It can be tricky to demonstrate why I have this distaste for the game’s oft-insipid dialogue and characterisation, outside of quoting the flat, tired lines over and over. So I’m going to try and do it through a character study instead: a breakdown of why I’m not satisfied with the approach the game has taken to its chattiest denizens.

Let’s talk about Gabriel Tosh: spooky Rastafarian psychic soldier dude. That he’s so appropriately called “Tosh” – well, maybe someone was paying attention after all.

Some spoilers follow, and are flagged as such – they’re primarily focused on Tosh, but you’re still advised to steer clear if you’ve not finished the campaign.


Kittens mean spoilers. Bears mean spoilers end.

Tosh appears early in the game, as a shady character offering to help you out, and goes on to provide the narrative backbone of a subset of missions.

As with all of SC2′s thinly-sketched characters, Tosh is described more by his appearance and vocal mannerisms than by what he says or does. He has dreadlocks, he’s a bit mystic, he says “be” instead of “is” – three times within 15 seconds at one point. “This be the moment of truth.” “This be worth a fortune.” Apart from that, the rest of his English is spot on – but apparently he needs a single vocal tic so that we remember he’s Rastafarian.

Ah yes: he’s the only non-white member of StarCraft 2′s main cast. (Admittedly, General Warfield’s importance is stated a few times, but his appearances are very fleeting compared to the rest of the plot-relevant characters). It would be petty and strange to complain about this in itself: plenty of other games (and movies) elect to star an entirely or predominantly white cast, after all. I mean Harry Potter, for goodness’ sakes. What I want to go into instead is how trite Tosh’s characterisation is, and how that could be perceived. I do not prescribe any negative intent to Blizzard, apart from possible thoughtlessness.

Here are some Tosh-facts:

Tosh is presented as sinister, untrustworthy and self-interested – his motives questioned repeatedly by gravel-voiced hero Jim Raynor and all his allies.

He has a drug habit, though this may or may not be necessary for his mystic powers.

A bunch of his friends are in jail. (Though are all white, however.)

He apparently has only two attitudes: stoned-sounding mystic and murderously angry.

Oh yes, and he has a Voodoo doll. A voodoo doll.

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He even carries it around his neck, in case he needs to do any emergency voodooing at a moment’s notice. No-one else in the game is carrying a voodoo doll. There isn’t any suggestion that anyone else in the game so much as believes in black magic, in fact.

Are we supposed to think he’s cool, or think he’s quietly villainous? Omar he ain’t. It gets worse. Unfortunately, however…

SPOILERS!

In Tosh’s last mission, you’re given the choice to help him or bring him down. Do the former and he lives and remains your buddy, albeit with a little bit of threatened knife-crime first. Do the latter and he threatens Raynor with his voodoo doll – but gets it wrong and hurts the wrong guy. What a silly!

Take this path and his narcotics involvement extends to him being a drug-producer and possible dealer.

Take this path and Tosh gets killed. And insulted. Repeatedly. It’s not a noble death – it’s a humiliating death, in which he’s first made to look like both an idiot and a hissing pantomime villain, and then sent out with a cruel, cheap stab to the back of the head, before we’re treated to a lingering close-up of his slack-jawed corpse as Raynor celebrates the kill. This savage treatment completely undermines any sense that he’s a heroic character, a misunderstood freedom fighter – as picking the other path for this mission tries to claim he is. The game decides you shouldn’t feel like you’ve made the wrong decision, so removes almost all moral ambiguity about Tosh if you choose to turn on him.

He is, as per Hollywood cliche, the first major character in the game to die [Edit - this does depend somewhat on the order in which you play some of the climactic missions.]. And suffice it to say this is not game with a great many speaking-role casualties.

So, let’s recap: the game’s only major black character is a witch doctor, is too inept to witch-doctorise properly, is a drug dealer whose friends are in prison, and who (optionally) gets killed. It is hugely important to note that there is a choice as to whether the player treats him as a hero or a villain, but picking the latter means he is then depicted almost unilaterally as thuggish scum who deserves to die.

SPOILERS END!

Again, I’m not prescribing any motive behind Tosh’s or anyone else’s depiction- the problem is that the sheer weight of cliche laden onto this one character alone is crazy. Perhaps more to the point, he’s just one more growly, semi-magic, exposition-spouting cipher in gaming’s great litany of such supporting characters. Maybe he’s a a light-hearted parody of that, but if so I wouldn’t say that comes across. He doesn’t add up to a fun, surprising or even particularly likeable NPC: he adds up to an exceptionally tired dramatic stereotype. Which is my only argument here – that SC2′s characters are nowhere near well-developed enough to escape cliche.

There are (at least) two huge counter-arguments against Tosh being an especially poorly-realised character, and I’m very much aware of both. [Edit - and, as some have correctly observed, a third. Another, hitherto minor black character is promoted from apparent villainhood to much greater importance very, very late in the game.]

1) StarCraft II is far, far, far, far from being the only recent videogame that treats its non-white characters cursorily. I’m not singling it out for that. My point is that big, gloopy spoonfuls of lore and prophecy do not excuse the game’s storytelling weaknesses – of which Tosh is just one example. Given how much time we spend listening to them, I wanted more convincing, more interesting characters.

2) The game willfully embraces stereotype throughout. Its white characters are variously: drunks, criminals, jobsworths, grumpy, nerds or despots…

…while the only two female characters with significant speaking-roles are a helpless scientist who immediately falls for Raynor, and his ex-lover Kerrigan, who’s been turned into the queen of all chitinous evil, but still manages to show off her shapely bottom at all times. Oh, you can also factor in that the medics are all (helpless) women if you want. The age-old nurse stereotype, clad in power armour.

As is so often the case, this videogame doesn’t seem to treat its female characters with a great deal of respect.

So no-one does well out of this, in other words. That may be because the game is shooting for Simpsons-style “if we insult everyone we’re treating them equally” blanket-prejudice, or it may be because aspects of the writing may have not enjoyed as much consideration as they perhaps should have done.

If there was more depth and subtlety to StarCraft II’s characterisation, I wouldn’t have spotted Big Bad Voodoo Daddy Tosh and thought “uh-oh.” It’s as simple as that. I’m aware that the game’s deliberately going for Lucasian breadth in its tale of war amongst the stars, but that isn’t excuse enough for characters this shallow and patronising.

Yes, it’s an overblown tale about lasers, love and larvae: it’s not The Wire. A little thought can make all the difference, however. Surely the world’s richest game developer can do better than this.

Source: Rock, Paper, Shotgun
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post Aug 6 2010, 01:33 AM

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I've read all the Starcraft novels, even the new one Heaven's Devils. My fav characters are Raynor and Arcturus Mengsk. The novels really expand on their characters n others, the build up to SC1 and the period in between SC1 n SC2.
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Stereotypical is what you'll expect of games these days.

But hell if Warfield isn't awesome. Punching a hydralisk owns anything Tychus ever done.
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QUOTE(ps3roxor @ Aug 6 2010, 01:33 AM)
I've read all the Starcraft novels, even the new one Heaven's Devils. My fav characters are Raynor and Arcturus Mengsk. The novels really expand on their characters n others, the build up to SC1 and the period in between SC1 n SC2.
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QUOTE(Grif @ Aug 6 2010, 01:40 AM)
Stereotypical is what you'll expect of games these days.

But hell if Warfield isn't awesome. Punching a hydralisk owns anything Tychus ever done.
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post Aug 6 2010, 10:04 AM

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Thanks kianweic for that very long "copy-paste" source. Yeah, we all gotta admit that certain level of stereotypes exists in games these days, but try not to be too objective about it. As long as it doesn't touch the boundaries of religious sensitivity (Assassin's Creed almost became quite controversial for this, but kudos to the game developers for managing to stay clear out of it nonetheless), like Jim Raynor used to say "It's all good ..."
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Well, I actually totally agreed on the RPS article: SC2 campaign characters were a complete collection of most overused cliche and stereotype:

- The roughed pirate drunk who actually have an heart (Han Solo anyone?)
- The Brawn without Brains
- The Officer with ideals and uniforms
- The Doctor chick, straightly dressed but actually loving the rough pirate
- The badass evil chicks who wear skin tigh suits/dress/whatever
- The evil emperor
- The black rastafarian, voodoo loving, speech impaired whose drugs addict friends are all in prison

I could go on really....

Bear with me though I did not dislike the campaign itself and overall enjoyed it so I am trolling or pissing on everyone's parade.
Gameplay was good, missions were much more fun than usual RTS "destroy their base" and the presentations itself is topnotch.

Just that until about half the campaign I was wondering if they were actually ASSUMING the cliches in the characters and go with 2nd degre like what Red Alert 3 did or actually taking themselves seriously.
Unfortunately for me they choose the 2nd way.

It's just that I really did not remember SC1 or even Warcraft 3 to have such "flat" characters, of course they had good heroes and bad vilains but most characters had some kind of a twist.

I just feel with the resource they have and the time they took, Blizzard could have hired a better script writer and fluffed a bit more the characters to be less generics.



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