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post Oct 8 2010, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(wongsf @ Oct 7 2010, 12:45 AM)
Maybe RTM no money to introduce digital tv, need to buy an extra set-top box. They (the Government) have to give the set-top box to the poor, cos they could not afford to buy.
There are two elements to digital TV broadcast expenses - one from the broadcaster and the other for users. For broadcasters, their pipeline (including make-up and sets) must be made to comply with HD.

For users, the set-top box must be purchased. But the government can bypass this if the government gives HDTV manufacturers and importers a mandate - that by January 2015 all HDTVs and DVRs imported must have a built-in DVB-T2 tuner. If they don't, they have the responsibility to provide one for free.

But Media Prima is not getting away free either. Just because they are testing using DMB-T because it's cheaper, doesn't mean that's the one that RTM will choose. Media Prima and Astro are bound by the fact that they are leasing the airwaves from the government. So if RTM wants to go DVB-T2, that will be the defacto digital standard for Malaysia's OTA broadcast. And so far, I believe the Malaysian standard was set at DVB2.

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I think with b.yond we don't need another set-top box to watch free to air digital tv broadcast.  Anyway with the content they broadcast whether in digital or not, I stick to Astro.
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If RTM HD is fed to Astro (and Astro wants to broadcast it in HD), then you don't need another STB.


QUOTE(neb @ Oct 7 2010, 01:04 AM)
HDTV on sale in some countries are already included with build-in digital tuner, even the lowest end pasma TV retail in singapura got it(DVB-T), in UK I think they got build-in DVB-s digital tuner

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Of course. That's because the Kempen ministry hasn't asked parliament to table a bill that would make DVB-T2 the standard for all future HDTVs sold/imported in Malaysia. Once that is done, then all HDTVs sold/imported for Malaysian users will have built-in tuner for OTA broadcast.


QUOTE(Qash-M @ Oct 7 2010, 03:29 PM)
Profits for Astro? hmm.gif
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No. That's a processing algorithm for H264 encoders and decoders. It's meant so that the encoding and decoding of videos are as efficient and fast as possible. It's also meant for security purposes; look at the SD specs they highlight often. The bandwidth for security application is narrower than the bandwidth that Astro has. Astro gains nothing from using this company's algorithm.


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post Oct 9 2010, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Oct 9 2010, 12:23 PM)
RTM HD early test on 2008 broadcast at 1080i with bitrate around 15Mbps (MPEG2). rclxms.gif  That's 6-7Mbps more than Astro HD channel bitrate. I wonder if the bitrate the same if changed to MPEG4? brows.gif
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If they want to maintain the video quality using MPEG-4 instead of MPEG-2, then RTM can reduce the bitrate. If they maintain the bitrate and use MPEG-4, they increase the video quality.

I'm not knowledgeable on OTA transmission or how frequencies have RTM been allocated. But if I what I read is correct, a broadcaster is given a frequency with which it can use that as their DVB-T2 (an upgrade from DVB-T) transmission. Using DVB-T2, each frequency can deliver up to 45Mbps of data. A broadcaster may then choose to mux 3-4 channels using a single frequency. For instance, RTM can mux RTM 1, RTM 2, RTM 1 HD, and RTM 2 HD on a single 658 MHz frequency. This muxing will still deliver very good AV quality as SD channels require less bandwidth than HD channels.

Using digital TV transmission, governments can potentially earn more money by leasing these frequencies because a broadcaster doesn't need three frequencies to air three channels.


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post Oct 14 2010, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(smileguy @ Oct 14 2010, 06:24 AM)
Mitv was motivated they came and went they were supposed to come and go !! U cannot make it if u cant go nationwide in one go, Mitv failed here ! hmm.gif Detv is failing too with only chinese fare. Finetv no comments !
The allure of IPTV is that, if you have the resources, you can be up and running relatively quickly. Satellite takes about five years at least after you give the green light - get bids for the satellites, build the satellites and your TX centers, find a launch window (and hope that your first launch doesn't have complications), do tech tests, do market tests, then finally a public launch.

IPTV is easier than that, and wireless IPTV is even easier than that. But of course, wireless comes at a price, at least to those who are in Sabah, Sarawak or those in the pendalaman areas.
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Dont u think cable is cheaper and  better then satelite, I still remember Megatv for that ! brows.gif

Depends on the coverage area. Satellite is cheaper if you have a wide coverage like Malaysia. Cable is cheaper in Singapore. That's why internet is better in SG because coverage is 100%. In Malaysia, Streamyx access is still not 100% (I believe).

For Malaysia, the approach should be cable HDTV for the peninsula and satellite for Sabah and Sarawak (only until the population picks up). For internet, cable for peninsula and wireless for Sabah and Sarawak.
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Well said short and straight to the point, cannot go  nationwide cannot bring international fare best close shop ! Now we are sick of asian crap ,  someone has to bring international channels  no more asian versions please ! drool.gif
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It's not cut and dry like that. Some US shows are shown on ABC there but when it comes to international markets, they go to AXN. You cannot take everything from a local broadcaster and port it to its international counterpart.

QUOTE(eMKs @ Oct 14 2010, 09:06 AM)
Let's see their pricing when they lunch broadband service next month. We can understand by then what their 'competitive' means.
btw, Sezmi content is not great either.
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Yeah, I don't think their broadband pricing is going to be that competitive. Maybe for the first year but after that they'll find a way to jack up their prices. Remember that ALL of the internet lines are leased from TM. TM is obligated to lease them to internet licensees (Celcom, Digi, Maxis) at a certain fair rate. Unless Sezmi lease their own T1 lines, their rates will be comparable to what Celcom, Digi and Maxis are getting. But that's for the internet.

For IPTV, Sezmi can do whatever they want. If 4G can give a single user a maximum 100 Mbps speed, Sezmi can allocate a maximum 5 Mbps for internet access (remember they are leasing the lines from TM, who must also protect their Celcom [EDITED], Streamyx and Unifi services), while allowing 95 Mbps for IPTV. If Sezmi wants 100 channels, that's 0.95Mbps per channel. That bit rate is obviously not for HD channels.

At maximum bit rate of 8 Mpbs, Sezmi can only deliver about 12 HD channels. But obviously they don't want to do that because there are more SD viewers out there and SD content is cheaper. So if Sezmi goes with 8 HD channels at 8 Mpbs, that leaves 31 Mpbs for SD channels which is about enough for 10 channels. So 18 channels for Sezmi.

And how many channels does Astro have?
QUOTE(apexg2 @ Oct 14 2010, 11:26 AM)
wish they can offer rm50 monthly for iptv, high speed broadband and so on...this is wut they call competetive rite...haha


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RM50 for IPTV and broadband is too low. Streamyx alone is RM45 a month. Remember - leased internet lines.

QUOTE(smileguy @ Oct 14 2010, 11:52 AM)
That wld be the day for us  to shout and claim Rakyat diutamakan !!! DREAM !! For that we must  first strip the thing called Exclusive rights given for 10. 15 and 20 years, wld that happen ! hmm.gif
Exclusivity deals are not just played in Malaysia. They are being applied to BD releases and DLC for video games.


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post Oct 14 2010, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(neb @ Oct 14 2010, 01:52 PM)
and they are using 90cm dish for less rain-fade problem
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I guess legally you can't buy a pre-fab 90cm dish but it doesn't mean you can't make one. If you use one for Astro, there should be no problem. Hell you can always paint the Astro logo to your DIY 90cm dish.


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post Oct 14 2010, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(neb @ Oct 14 2010, 02:08 PM)
this 90cm dish doesn't look like a home-made diy, more like mass produced by factory
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I didn't imply it was a DIY nor did I imply that the hotel did it themselves. I believe that's the standard Astro installation for hotels.


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post Oct 14 2010, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(logit85 @ Oct 14 2010, 11:12 PM)
u can see this decoder i using old
so i need pay rm400 ???
u said RM300 i dont have Byond
You need to pay RM400 because you don't have B.yond. B.yond users can upgrade to B.yon PVR for RM300.

So if you want to pay JUST RM300, get B.yond then wait a month then upgrade to B.yon PVR. Of course, why waste a month and the hassle of another installation date?

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why need RM10 PVR Servies

i know ASTRO Max recording is free no need pay rm10 recording

astro byond pvr they dont give free recording
Because that's how they set up the business. We don't know the reason but that's how it is.

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my package famaly+movies+maharaja+box office rm15.95+fun+news
so i pay bill RM1xx too

so i wont cancel astro
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So you're not going to cancel Astro? Or you want to cancel Astro?


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post Oct 25 2010, 03:24 AM

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QUOTE(kaspersky-fan @ Oct 24 2010, 11:02 PM)
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check this sh*t!!! 150Mbps for that channel????, fashion one fullhd + 3d, direct broadcast from hong kong to measat 3....

I've checked the numbers and 150Mbps is not right.

Say a 70-minute episode of Band of Brothers. 70 minutes x 60 seconds = 4200 seconds. For that episode to utilize a 150Mbps bandwidth, it will total up to 630GB full of HDD space. A 630GB for a 70-minute episode is indeed possible BUT that amount of data is achieved when you're using UNCOMPRESSED video.

If you take a look at the image, you'll see that the video is compressed with H264. Not only that, it is INTERLACED video. So "150,000" is not 150 Mbps. Maybe it's just 15 Mbps.

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play those celestial movies clip, the one with joey yung.... its 10Mbps for that channel... wow... its really good lol, highest bitrate of dvd specs... if its widescreen, it will be perfect lol
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DVD bandwidth are just that. You can't compare that to HD's H264.

QUOTE(Qash-M @ Oct 24 2010, 11:17 PM)
30 Mbps for one channel? If current 12 HD channel get THAT quality, sure is MINDBLOWING... drool.gif
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See above.


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post Oct 25 2010, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(kaspersky-fan @ Oct 25 2010, 10:01 AM)
Hey fuad, at first I also feel that 150,000 isnt 150Mbps, but if you browse through that site, they have more sample screencaps of different channels. Those normal SD channels are 4,xxx.
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I can understand that screencaps is some form of truth. But to do 150 Mbps for a H264 file is completely unnecessary. Basically the channel is giving you an uncompressed DigiHD master tape content (the audio is not master audio). Imagine you recording it. You wouldn't want to keep it. Lastly, satellite bandwidth is limited. Giving 150 Mbps for one channel is completely wasteful - it's wasteful to uplink, it's wasteful to re-transmit and it's wasteful to downlink.


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