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evofantasy
post Nov 10 2010, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Nov 10 2010, 10:24 AM)
really? blink.gif
why you say so then?
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i would say that terran is the easiest race to pickup due to the similarity of their mechanics with other RTS...


Added on November 10, 2010, 10:32 am
QUOTE(tjinn @ Nov 10 2010, 10:30 AM)
I'tll b better to do a polt timing attack then to use the banshees fr harassment. Observer in base will allow stalkers to snipe down ur banshee b4 doing any significant damage.
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revealing ur banshee is asking for more observers as well...
of course if u can time ur banshee rite to be in his base when his obs is on the way to ur base u can use it for harassment...
or u can harass if u make sure ur banshee doesn't die (only some maps though in fact)

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post Nov 10 2010, 10:33 AM

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the build flow of toss is much more easier..

just 1 probe can build multiple buildings..as long you got resources.
Terran have to keep selecting 1 scv to build 1 building at a time

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post Nov 10 2010, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 10 2010, 10:31 AM)
i would say that terran is the easiest race to pickup due to the similarity of their mechanics with other RTS...


Added on November 10, 2010, 10:32 am
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i picked terran as my starting race coz zerg look like d cockroaches
in the longkang outside n toss look like cicakman tongue.gif
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post Nov 10 2010, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(Rashid85 @ Nov 9 2010, 09:56 PM)
ok guys i have with me here a BO that will win you against Toss 70% of the time. Works even in +1500 Diamond.

- 13 gas a usual. wall the ramp and put a bunker or two.
- rush to starport. make tech lab on factory so you can quickly swith it with starport later.
- once starport is finished, research cloak first, THEN make a banshee.
- send the banshee to troll the enemy's mineral lines as soon as it finishes. The cloack research should be completed by the time you get there.
- also don't forget to make 3-4 turrets around your base to shoo away observers.
- while the banshee is busy trolling, continue massing lots of marines and tanks and banshees.
- once you have about 20+ marines, 4 tanks, and 4 banshees, push out and claim your victory.

PS: also, alway periodically scout. If he goes 4 gate, simply add more bunkers.
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hmm ..interesting..

but I dont understand your 3 or 4 turrets.. to shoo obs..? So u assume Toss will have obs, clocked banshee is quite weak.
They just send 2 or 3 Stalkers ta the mineral line and the banshee is screwed.

Personally I rather use reapers to harass toss's mineral line. Cheaper and doesnt require so much tech.
Just send 3 reapers = 1 banshee..kite as many probes as you can.. icon_idea.gif
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post Nov 10 2010, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 10 2010, 10:31 AM)
i would say that terran is the easiest race to pickup due to the similarity of their mechanics with other RTS...


Added on November 10, 2010, 10:32 am

revealing ur banshee is asking for more observers as well...
of course if u can time ur banshee rite to be in his base when his obs is on the way to ur base u can use it for harassment...
or u can harass if u make sure ur banshee doesn't die (only some maps though in fact)
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sigh its still tough for me to play in the league...always forgetting to execute things like building more structures, SCVs, and harassment....its not that i don't know these stuffs, just that when playing, they tend to slip by me sad.gif
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post Nov 10 2010, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Nov 10 2010, 10:47 AM)
hmm ..interesting..

but I dont understand your 3 or 4 turrets.. to shoo obs..? So u assume Toss will have obs, clocked banshee is quite weak.
They just send 2 or 3 Stalkers ta the mineral line and the banshee is screwed.

Personally I rather use reapers to harass toss's mineral line. Cheaper and doesnt require so much tech.
Just send 3 reapers = 1 banshee..kite as many probes as you can..  icon_idea.gif
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reapers will go down faster than banshees. N we cnt rax b4 depo nw. Means no fast reapers either. Nt to mention tht the speed upgrade requires a factory. I personally use reapers fr recon. See wt my opponent is teching up to.


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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Nov 10 2010, 10:52 AM)
sigh its still tough for me to play in the league...always forgetting to execute things like building more structures, SCVs, and harassment....its not that i don't know these stuffs, just that when playing, they tend to slip by me sad.gif
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Get a training partner. It will significantly help u improve ur game.

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post Nov 10 2010, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(tjinn @ Nov 10 2010, 10:54 AM)
reapers will go down faster than banshees. N we cnt rax b4 depo nw. Means no fast reapers either. Nt to mention tht the speed upgrade requires a factory. I personally use reapers fr recon. See wt my opponent is teching up to.


Added on November 10, 2010, 10:56 am
Get a training partner. It will significantly help u improve ur game.
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none of my friends is playing, and asking others to spend their time just to improve me is not my policy(it feels like i am wasting their time)....
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post Nov 10 2010, 11:05 AM

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yes ..reapers cant last as long as banshee..but way cheaper.

But the whole idea is just to harras. Plus you get to scout as well, by running in toss base.

Once the reapers die (RIP) you can still pump marauders/ghost/ marines from the teched barrack.


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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Nov 10 2010, 11:01 AM)
none of my friends is playing, and asking others to spend their time just to improve me is not my policy(it feels like i am wasting their time)....
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There is a saying..."practice makes perfect".

Play solo with AI. Start from medium and slowly increase the difficulty settings.
If you can beat insane, congrats ..u can make it to diamond league liao. rclxms.gif



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post Nov 10 2010, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Nov 10 2010, 11:05 AM)
yes ..reapers cant last as long as banshee..but way cheaper.

But the whole idea is just to harras. Plus you get to scout as well, by running in toss base.

Once the reapers die (RIP) you can still pump marauders/ghost/ marines from the teched barrack.


Added on November 10, 2010, 11:07 am

There is a saying..."practice makes perfect".

Play solo with AI. Start from medium and slowly increase the difficulty settings.
If you can beat insane, congrats ..u can make it to diamond league liao. rclxms.gif
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but unlike reapers, banshee compliments ur army very very well...
even late game having banshees (their dps is freaking high, higher on colossus than viking even) + cloak is close to auto win when u manage to snipe the observer (which u should if u are going banshees)...

drop a scan and focus down the obs...
ur banshee will wipe out his group forces and when ur banshee reach a big mass + good support from the ground such as some thors and marines, its pretty much a super deathball which is mobile in terms of banshee+marine (see painuser's build vs nony)
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post Nov 10 2010, 11:29 AM

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Yup..banshee end game is excellent. with raven...snipe obs and PDD.. bye bye ground troops.

But as an early harrass and scouting option, IMHO reapers are way cheaper and effective.

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Nov 10 2010, 11:29 AM)
Yup..banshee end game is excellent. with raven...snipe obs and PDD.. bye bye ground troops.

But as an early harrass and scouting option, IMHO reapers are way cheaper and effective.
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u can barely harass with reapers...
and they cost gas...
its better to do so with hellions imho as they dun cost gas, are fast and make use of the factory which would otherwise be useless (bio builds etc)
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post Nov 10 2010, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Nov 10 2010, 11:29 AM)
Yup..banshee end game is excellent. with raven...snipe obs and PDD.. bye bye ground troops.

But as an early harrass and scouting option, IMHO reapers are way cheaper and effective.
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Scouting yes. Harassing no. Reapers are just too soft. Hellions u cn still keep them if ur opponent opts to use chargelotz. I find it difficult to harass protoss unless they decide to fe
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i rarely make reapers, i just cant find any reason to make them unless half way of the game i feel like bringing in three reapers to harass main n while attacking their expo otehr than that i find no reason for reapers.


Added on November 10, 2010, 7:30 pmSaturday is coming lets all root for FoxeR!!

one of my reason that terran is so fun to play with

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post Nov 10 2010, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(tjinn @ Nov 10 2010, 07:14 PM)
Scouting yes. Harassing no. Reapers are just too soft. Hellions u cn still keep them if ur opponent opts to use chargelotz. I find it difficult to harass protoss unless they decide to fe
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lies =(
stop dropping in my base!!!

@ calvin
yup foxer style of marine aggression is so damn fun...
i rather go bio vs zerg cause of the mobility...
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post Nov 10 2010, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 10 2010, 07:36 PM)
lies =(
stop dropping in my base!!!

@ calvin
yup foxer style of marine aggression is so damn fun...
i rather go bio vs zerg cause of the mobility...
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what u complaning wei. all my drops alwayz fail and in the end i'm the 1 hu is set back economically pulak. cis
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post Nov 11 2010, 05:34 AM

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QUOTE(Rashid85 @ Nov 10 2010, 10:36 PM)
yes they'll probably have an observer already, but 90% of the time they send that observer over to your base, leaving his own base unguarded against cloaked units. Even if he had an observer nearby, you'd still be able to take down 3-4 probes before he manages to drag his observer over. What's best is if they even try to go fast Voidrays or even choose to tech up to HT instead of Collosi, they will auto-lose since they'll have ZERO detection capability, allowing your banshees to reduce their probes to zero. Trust me on this. I've been getting winning streaks with this strat against toss for quite a while now, and i'm +1500 diamond terran in NA.

and the reason i say put up turrets in your base is because you don't want him to see what you're doing. if they cant see anything in your base, their best guess would be marines and marauders as usual, when in fact it's not. You're actually making mass marines and tanks and banshees.

And no, any kind of reaper play after 1.1.2 is a bad idea. Not only will stalkers be able to easily kill them, the fact that reapers costs a lot of gas means it will significantly stall your teching and infrastructure. 3 reapers+speed costs 200 gas. That's enough gas for both factory AND starport. And reapers are useless in an actual fight. At least banshees can easily fly away if it gets too hot, and has at least some layer of protection with cloak, and they will serve as very good snipers and spotter for your tank as part of your main army.
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once they see the banshee wouldnt most toss go fr detection?
N a fast void ray with good micro is actually a good counter against banshee imo. Turetting up might b able to prevent an observer to sm extent. Bt chances r. It could gt a good glimpse of ur army composition b4 it is shot down. Or ur port with tech lab.
Bt then im just a 550 bronze player. So my views might b nooby.
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Early vr into base gives toss all the info he needs. Makes it easy fr him to go phoenix since stargate already out. U cn turret up. Bt doing so early really sets u bck economically. Especially if ur going fr tht fast banshee. N a good toss cn gauge ur unit composition just by looking at wt u hv in ur army.


Added on November 11, 2010, 9:43 amVoidrays are nt affected by pdd also l. Forgot to mention. If terran comes out wif viking u cn snipe it down wif ur phoenix as well. Since no reactor on the port. And during tht time, mass lotz n sentries cn rape u.

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post Nov 11 2010, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(tjinn @ Nov 11 2010, 08:48 AM)
Early vr into base gives toss all the info he needs. Makes it easy fr him to go phoenix since stargate already out. U cn turret up. Bt doing so early really sets u bck economically. Especially if ur going fr tht fast banshee. N a good toss cn gauge ur unit composition just by looking at wt u hv in ur army.


Added on November 11, 2010, 9:43 amVoidrays are nt affected by pdd also l. Forgot to mention. If terran comes out wif viking u cn snipe it down wif ur phoenix as well. Since no reactor on the port. And during tht time, mass lotz n sentries cn rape u.
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phoenix > vikings at high numbers due to their effective dps vs vikings...
the counter to that like wut painuser di was thor(s)...
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 11 2010, 02:33 PM)
phoenix > vikings at high numbers due to their effective dps vs vikings...
the counter to that like wut painuser di was thor(s)...
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I mentioned viking fr vr. Not phoenix.. I got thors in my match up wjth u d other day also wert coz i scouted ur stargate. U were tryin to counter my polt
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QUOTE(tjinn @ Nov 11 2010, 03:06 PM)
I mentioned viking fr vr. Not phoenix.. I got thors in my match up wjth u d other day also wert coz i scouted ur stargate. U were tryin to counter my polt
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to be fair, VR are as good as vikings if u micro...
nexgenius took down 2 vikings with a single VR in blizzcon...
unlike other units, u cant really kite VR as they can attack while moving and with patch 1.12 changes they do deal quite a significant damage uncharged...

VR do melt to thor as well as long as the thor have support...
else 2-3 VR can burn the thor down without much effort =p

ITR aka hopetorture did put it: if ur opponent get more than 2 sentries, ur thor rush would kill him outright when he beat nexgenius...

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