3v3..... okay....

maybe i shud give starcraft 2 a rest

u should play 1 v 1

quest and jeff , u two veteran can work on writing a guide on how to play starcraft 2? Like all the little details where newbie takes many matches to learn such as what to look out while scouting, how to predict opponent rush, defensive positioning...?

may i know ur built order n main unit fighting against zerg? i also feel like u before against zerg... but now i don't have any prob fighting them... . i play a 4 blue flame hellion timing push against them wif careful micro, n tech to 2 starport n hit them wif cloak 2-4 banshee... while marine mostly juz stay in base as defense. if it doesn't work them usually i tech up to seeker missle raven as a 2nd spellcaster support group against my main army mostly consist of marine, BFH and medivac. seeker missle can destroy a group of mutas with good micro. But controllinga group of raven is quite difficult n needs lotsa practice. if ur good with raven, mutas, corruptor n broodlord ain't got nothing on u. But if they tch to ultralisk will be a bit of probs for me.

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Added on September 27, 2011, 3:02 amthank u for your guide, i been practicing it this past few days n its a very good stance against 4 gate proxy warp in protoss... . actually im nvr a fan of bunker before this as it gives a feeling of turtling and ultra defensive for me. jeffvip may i know ur counter against this 4gate once the enemy attack has subsided? do u tech up or hit them instantaneously? before stim research and mdivac is out, marin is gonna be hugely underpowered against protoss army, but once the have got all their update, the dps of stimmed mass marine can be frightening. .

Flampard, against zerg team game u need to wall in as soon as possible, repair damage building with a few hotkeyed auto repaired scv n try to tech up to BFH as soon as possible. if i team gam 4v4 wif my zerg frens, a combine army of ling and BFH early rush at 7.30 mins mark is very deadly n my favorite combo

This post has been edited by max_cavalera: Sep 27 2011, 03:02 AM

yeah veteran quest and jeff write some guide how to play sc2~ so that this newbie(me) wont qq so much~

who are we trying to do detail analysis. but what I can say is scout tricks mainly concentrate on gas. The best thing is of course u scout ur opponent's building, but usually it wont happen so easily. If you scout opponent is taking 1 or 2 gas, u can start to predict something.
eg,
Protoss taking early 2 gas. but u didnt see a bunch of sentries in his unit composition. Prepare for DT or early colossus. u have to understand where did those gas gone.
Zerg taking gas early, if u see saturated drone in both bases, prepare for muta or even infestor. but u see suprising small amount of drone with 2 gas, baneling is coming.
Terran, usually early cloak banshee

But remember, dont apply this in team game strategy. Only in 1v1. team game, protoss will do mass void ray, zerg mass muta/ling and terran mass marine. they might taking the gas just for fun. Simply to say, u want to play real starcraft then don't play team game too often.

ur build against zerg require u to do heavy damage to the zerg mineral line in the early game with very micro intensive in the late game. How much is your APM to make such an build work always? I still think decent baneling muta play can crush this build with 1 mistake from Terran player.

A failed 4 gate means Protoss have to GG bcos I will always do a 1 Rax fast expand. If they dont gg, nvm. A failed rush will cause Protoss economically behind by a huge distance. Don't have to rush to kill him back, just play your normal game. scout and see whether that protoss double expand after failed 4 gate or not. Beware of DT if protoss didnt do a double expand. Do some drops and roll him over in the later stage.


what are you trying to say ah? Master Zerg (aka QQ Toss)

i asking for some guidance for this QQ newbie~

This post has been edited by SiewKaiz: Sep 27 2011, 10:32 AM

I read sun ze, trying to apply some of its teaching in SC2...hehe

why do u change my quote, u wanna put me in despair in front of everybody?

example?

where got~ u r 1 of the sifu's in lyn how can i put u in despair~

to win ur enemy learn ur enemy~ to win zerg i play as zerk

u asked the right place...
apparently zenex.byun (semifinalist in GSL) follows jeff on twitter...
tat is how awesome he is (though byun jz dived to codeB after tat puppy)...

i jz want his puppy! lol

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Sep 27 2011, 02:47 PM

wat is jeff twitter~ i wanna follow~ oh mai i dun hav twitter~ gonna make 1 now~

This post has been edited by SiewKaiz: Sep 27 2011, 01:13 PM

敌我兵力相等，要攻，兵力不足，要守，兵力有余, 防守时要十分严密地隐蔽自己，进攻时要打得敌人措手不及, 出奇不意，攻其不备。



is it really necessary to go to this extend

This post has been edited by FLampard: Sep 27 2011, 02:17 PM

can explain that~ i dunno read chinese~

兵贵神速。。。。 nice read lol


warning : google translate

Enemy forces are equal, to attack, shortage of troops, to keep, military strength is more than defense to be very closely concealed themselves, offensive to hit the enemy by surprise, the element of surprise, unexpectedly.

This post has been edited by FLampard: Sep 27 2011, 02:56 PM

in sc2 terms~ flank and drop i think~

明修棧道 暗渡陳倉












公道不在人心，是非只在时势

Every race will be call OP by the other race, unless something happens in the Pro-scene

This post has been edited by jeffvip: Sep 27 2011, 03:26 PM

dun understand single thing ...................

edited, see my previous post