MC was up 30 supply with 5 immortals and died to puma's 2nd wave of 1-1-1 allin...
unfortunately, holding it is nt tat ez especially on some maps (xnc or metalo close air spot)...

searing crater confirm die to 1 1 1

get cheese a few times and u will automatically go scout early, when i was diamond last year, i scout at 6 when i vs zerg cuz i scare kena 6 pool, what the hell right
cuz every time i was too panic when i see early pool and had no time to prepare even if i scout at 9, lol


To all the fellow protoss, to counter 1 1 1, what i would normally do is push with 1 VR 1 Sentry and the rest Stalkers when warp tech is finished with 3 Chrono boast...by all means pleaze, keep ur VR alive this is very important cuz it lets u see the high ground, in this case i dont bother to build the 2nd VR cuz all my money will be spending on stalkers

Huk 1 gate 20 expand can be done also, but this is harder, usually i do this when both of us spawned furthest away by ground...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=223726

Rule of Thumb
1) scout with your 1st stalker, hug ur opponent's ramp when before u go up his ramp to see whether got marauder shooting u, then u can run away, if not when u go up the ramp u have no chance of running cuz of the marauder slow - credit for combatex. if u see only marines, u can assume marine tank banshee raven coming to u, otherwise, marine tank which this will hit rather earlier cuz the terran would be skipping banshee and raven, keep going up and down the ramp to make sure he has only marines

2)if all marines, throw down a robo and twilight council ASAP when u have the gas, throw down 2 more assimilators in the meantime. chrono 2 obs 1 in your base 1st and 1 in your opponent base 2nd, if Marine Tank Banshee Raven, the initials 2 stalkers should be in your main mineral line, warp 2 more in your natural to def vs banshee, warp 3 more gates, other than those chronoboast i have mentioned, use all of them for ur probes considerably, no units are made during this phrase except for the 2 stalkers



3)get charge and chrono it, warp only zealots and tons of it, dont engage with them when u dont have charge, dont engage with your stalkers until ur chargelots clear all the ground units cuz P.Diddy wont allow it, when all his ground units died, warp all stalkers, chrono them if necessary


as we all know, 1 1 1 doesnt hit just once, just get as much chargelots and stalkers as u want, they wont be able to break u, u might also need blink if they keep send banshee attcking ur mineral line

if Marine Tank only, go rampage with your zealots and stalkers to the watch tower and engage him in the middle of the map when his siege tank cant prepare for it, dont bother to research the charge cuz u probably cant have it when his push come, or cancel it if ure researching it, try to probes up during this


try to occupied all the watch towers during the game, get immortals only when u have extra money (prolly due to poor macro), cuz u have to get everything in your arsenal to defend this push

hope this helps

This post has been edited by pepsi89: Sep 17 2011, 11:42 PM

it probably wont work on higher level

just my 2 cents

well u need to do some guessing wat build he going based on the scouting info until ur 1st obs out

so sad for protoss. as all the pros had said, protoss need to guess in PvT

AND

take huge risk just to even out...

cuz its like, you need to go for a specific build to win 1-1-1, but ur opponent can just fake a 1-1-1 and punish you.

a nice little TvP build for fellow terran brethen.

1 rax gas build, hide ur 2nd rax at far end of ur base. float ur 1st rax away and make reactor. make a bunker in front, show only marines at ur ramp. 2nd rax wif techlab research stimpack, then grenade. push out at 50 food with 10 scv.

if the protoss went for a 1 gate fe into robo, impossible he can hold.

Thorzain did that in the dreamhack match against LiquidHero this morning but only with 3scv to gain economy advantage... Totally own Hero. and barely lose to DRG. I really like Thorzain.

This post has been edited by jeffvip: Sep 18 2011, 12:09 PM

yes yes, this is what i am saying lol

by the time stim pack research completed, i would have my charge alrdy completed

if ure saying some 3 rax all in with M&M before stim, u can refer back to HuK 1 gate 20 FE guide i posted right above

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Added on September 18, 2011, 4:05 pmbase on what do u say this?

This post has been edited by pepsi89: Sep 18 2011, 04:14 PM

mayb based on he is in GM league~

how can charge be complete when a 23 food stim rush vs a 1 gate FE into robo, 2 more gates, out obs, get twilight, get charge

and with 5-10 scv soak the dmg and make 2 bunkers at choke to stream zealots, it would be devastating

maybe my league is lower, opponent not that pro yet

i chobo dno top lvl timing.

jeff & quest.. u all only play 1v1? do u all play 3v3 4v4?

team games i only play when my friend ask me to play....played less than 3 4v4s, a few 3v3s and quite alot of 2v2s.

i never play 1v1. not confidence lol i only play 3v3 and 4v4

as long as u never afraid to lose. there are always a confidence to play 1v1. Start with bronze league of course... I'm playing my SEA account as serious account and NA as a cheese account. Whenever I was facing losing streak in SEA, I will just switch to NA to release tension. NA imo is "noob"er than SEA. go NA 1st if you don't have confidence. u will get bored of sc eventually by only playing team game.

i find NA players more pro, dunno is it i got major delay there make i always lose @@

hi all terran sifus.. sorry kinda noob here..
i need some guides to def and counter roaches rush.. =(

make marauder.

if your strategy does not have marauder in it (wants tank or banshee tech), make a bunker at put ur marine in it. repair them.

haha, master in NA better maybe? certainly not diamond & below

why scare lose? kiasu? lose in ladder wont cost ur life~ just click that 1 v 1 find match button