When to build vevspene for generic build order ? 13? 12 ?

you can actually choose not to build vespene at all. but the good units require some vespene, eg marauder and stalker. some buildings need it too.

i usually use 3.

4 could possibly give you more vespene since a waiting gatherer means it's literally non-stop. while 3 means it has a slight gap. how significant, i donno.

which is why i use 3. cos i need more M than V.

3 is enough unless you're on certain maps with gas placed slightly further and you need heavy gas

yup. in some cases i just get 2 refinery and 2 harvester, which is quite often more than enough unless i'm spamming gas intensive units.



awesome game. Terrans, don't get flanked!

hmm
wanna share my problem here.

1)i had most problem Vs any terran
2)i had the worst problem Vs zerg - quick mutalisk harass.

problem no2. going mass marine going be good counter, cheap, fast produce.
whats annoying is they keep me fix in one place. they ctrl the map, expand, anything.
mutalisk can kill marine, tower, viking fast with their group.
bouncing misile.

played a game last nite, zerg guys just baneling defend his base (lol) and get muta a.s.a.p, keep me contain in base while he cont expand.
seriously mass mutalisk very strong and can be produce quickly build.

Common build order:

1. block entrance with fac, rax and supply.
2. 2-3 hellions to harrass expansion or main. By priority drones > lings > queen.
3. upgrade fire if zerg cont to build lings.
4. Build armory, get thors (Good counter against mutas and roach)
5. First attack with Thors, hellions and marauders > Mutas,lings/bane, roach (Add in siege tanks if $$ allow)

Lastly, micro hellions to kill off bane/lings, Thors to kill off mutas marauder on roaches.

enjoy.

dude. hellion not gonna able to enter their lair. spine crawler mass. or 3.
normally, the guys who tech Mutalisk fast is the guy who play zergling as decoy or find an opening to enter SCV mineral area.
they gonna avoid battle with hellion.

well im still not able to micro 3-4 thing at once, they keep harass wile they expand. end game i'll lose.

is there anything i can do quick to rush zerg base to delay their quickness.
coz they very quick (some of them), Thor not gonna make it in time.

or maybe cz im still in bronze level -,-"

Assuming if early pool rush, get a bunker wif 1-4 marines. once u get hellions, u are in control. Single lair teching will gonna end up winning in slim chance. Once your 1st thor is out, 5-6 mutas will be no problem for you to fend off with scv repair. you can do whatever you want.. expand etc etc.

no way to be faster than zergling coz they address themselves THE ZERG...

i would like to see a replay. if anyone could provide one,
since this come from fastgg, the famous one, u sure got some replay in ur collection.

video i got from youtube kinda outdated, march.
where he use mass Raven kill a balls of Mutalisk in like 2 misile seeker.
is it stil viable now? coz i never see anyone use it now.

Jeez, is there any way to drop leagues? I find Platinum games too high-level for my liking. (aka losing 90% of my games rofl).

Yes, keep losing =)

I noticed the Ai very hard mode have a pretty good built. MMM with heals rushing is pretty deadly :-(
Just a suggestion to train up terran fast MMM, you can try playing the Ai doing the same 3 rax built while maintaning speed. check out built order and replay to learn the Ai built counter yours. I think i can be a better player if i can macro without looking doing the same built while microing attack

-2 cents for the newbie like me

I can't find part 2 for it

i posted on zherk thread

cool TvT game. there's a rare offensive nuke

This post has been edited by styrwr91: Aug 19 2010, 12:39 PM

switch with me. coz i dont like being Bronze. lol
i need to fight better opponent to improve.


nvm, i will climb slowly.

since this is terran discussion. just wanna ask, what strats ussualy u do against terran?

ROBOTECH?

I find that TvT is a battle of mobility..... which ever player has the map control he will have the advantage

normally U will see a lot of mmm and siege, or some players like to go for banshee's

Yeah, the adventurous ones (and also foolish ones like me ) go for banshees sometimes in TvT. Incredibly annoying and the cloak makes it even worse.

Early siege + MM seems seems to be the way to go though.

I heard in youtube replay that you can actually sell off your supply depot and some immobile buildings. I tried to search for the sell button but was unsuccessful.

1) Is there a sell option?
2) where it is?
3) getting half the value back?

bunker yes