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westley0214
post Jun 29 2011, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(KepalaRadio @ Jun 29 2011, 06:02 PM)
Clearly Quaza lacks experience in Starcraft II, but that doesn't mean he can't express his own opinions. However for everyone's sake we should all give one another the benefit of the doubt.
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Hmm.. excuse me but why Quaza? lolwtfbbq.
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 29 2011, 06:19 PM)
Hmm.. excuse me but why Quaza? lolwtfbbq.
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150gas sentry i guess
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post Jun 29 2011, 06:24 PM

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zealot pressure zerg into chargelot for the kill i guess~
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post Jun 29 2011, 06:35 PM

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post Jun 29 2011, 06:40 PM

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There's something in this thread that just bugs me. People keep insisting that whatever they are saying is the definitive FACT and everything else that people say is WRONG.
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post Jun 29 2011, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(KepalaRadio @ Jun 29 2011, 06:40 PM)
There's something in this thread that just bugs me. People keep insisting that whatever they are saying is the definitive FACT and everything else that people say is WRONG.
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forums FTW
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post Jun 29 2011, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Jun 29 2011, 02:03 PM)
That ghey chao song?
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Dude, u here? Now I'm in bukit bintang for 2 days training course. Which bar or club can get laid? Recommend to me la. This is your area of expertise d.
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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Jun 29 2011, 06:45 PM)
Dude, u here? Now I'm in bukit bintang for 2 days training course. Which bar or club can get laid? Recommend to me la. This is your area of expertise d.
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do u think this is the right thread to ask for it?
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post Jun 29 2011, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Jun 29 2011, 06:50 PM)
do u think this is the right thread to ask for it?
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Why not? This is a human strategy thread. Getting laid is one of the human strategy. U know I Agreed with u that marauder is the strongest early game unit d right? Then op terran discussion finished d.

I have no interest to see what's evo is writing also bcos I confirmed what he write is certain the opposite of what I wrote here, so do I need to continue that conversation anymore? Better spending my time to get laid tonight
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post Jun 29 2011, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Jun 29 2011, 01:20 PM)
Yup, I concern only in early game. If pvt goes into mid game or late game, terran better gg earlier to save energy. Nowadays, protoss even optimizing their warp prism which is great for protoss actually. Something I don see alot of pro doing it also
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because prisms are kinda expensive, and they are fairly slow and fragile. that, and it's strong point is mainly to warp in units, but know this: any additional units it warps that is more than what the prism initially carried within it, are pretty much doomed to their deaths. if the drop isnt successful to cover back the cost of those units that are warped in, you're pretty much gg'ing yourself. hope that answers why the lack of prisms even from korean pros smile.gif


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for this post anyways, i have a lot of caster units i hate using, regardless of reason.
i got my losses, and i know its deserving, and you dont see me QQ'ing over here much, if any for that matter.

granted, i know im not GM or pro korean or whatever, and its my game and im pretty much free to play it however i want, knowingly doing so (not playing like how the pros do, game after game with strict BO/play styles etc) may not win me every game especially when i play against better players.

it really boils down to individuals. if he does it and doesnt give a f*** about it, who are you to say anything. however, if he does it and kept crying non stop, i guess he deserves to get flamed anyways.


Added on June 29, 2011, 11:26 pm
QUOTE(KepalaRadio @ Jun 29 2011, 06:02 PM)
Clearly Quaza lacks experience in Starcraft II, but that doesn't mean he can't express his own opinions. However for everyone's sake we should all give one another the benefit of the doubt.
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its ok, i know that having less than 1k league wins automatically denotes any credibility or experience one may have in sc2 smile.gif


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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jun 29 2011, 06:19 PM)
150gas sentry i guess
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because clearly i remember perfectly well of a unit's statistics that i... almost never use. right?


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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Jun 29 2011, 07:13 PM)
Why not? This is a human strategy thread. Getting laid is one of the human strategy. U know I Agreed with u that marauder is the strongest early game unit d right? Then op terran discussion finished d.

I have no interest to see what's evo is writing also bcos I confirmed what he write is certain the opposite of what I wrote here, so do I need to continue that conversation anymore? Better spending my time to get laid tonight
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thread aside, i dont think fuj would be the right person to ask either.

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post Jun 30 2011, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Jun 29 2011, 07:13 PM)
Why not? This is a human strategy thread. Getting laid is one of the human strategy. U know I Agreed with u that marauder is the strongest early game unit d right? Then op terran discussion finished d.

I have no interest to see what's evo is writing also bcos I confirmed what he write is certain the opposite of what I wrote here, so do I need to continue that conversation anymore? Better spending my time to get laid tonight
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the human strategy when u are cant have a counter argument in the forum: derail the thread
i thought u could be classier than pulling off such tricks lol...

continue trying to kill a protoss early game and loose games...
even better, since u are not planning for mid-late game rite, just bring all of ur scv along...
a simple 3 gate would have hold it off as i said...

have fun getting stuck in ur own little world/ shell...

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because clearly i remember perfectly well of a unit's statistics that i... almost never use. right?
it is not about unit stats...
it is ok not to know about the damage, armor, hp etc (i dun know all) but unit cost is what really matter in macro...
for example when ur warpgate cooldown is down, do u jz simply warp in units or u try to maximize the warp in with the amount of resource u have?
what about builds?
these resource requirements are what determine ur builds and timing ie when to get ur 2nd gas, when to cut workers etc...
it is more than just the stats and when u are providing a argument in a discussion, dun u think credibility or at least knowing what are u talking about matter?

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Jun 30 2011, 12:02 AM
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post Jun 30 2011, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 29 2011, 11:12 PM)

thread aside, i dont think fuj would be the right person to ask either.
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You are the expert here? Why don't u reply me earlier? Haiz, now drinking hoegaarden at bon ton only. sad.gif
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post Jun 30 2011, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jun 30 2011, 12:00 AM)
it is not about unit stats...
it is ok not to know about the damage, armor, hp etc (i dun know all) but unit cost is what really matter in macro...
for example when ur warpgate cooldown is down, do u jz simply warp in units or u try to maximize the warp in with the amount of resource u have?
what about builds?
these resource requirements are what determine ur builds and timing ie when to get ur 2nd gas, when to cut workers etc...
it is more than just the stats and when u are providing a argument in a discussion, dun u think credibility or at least knowing what are u talking about matter?
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first of all, why is it not about unit stats? a pricing of a unit should also be included as a unit stats because duh its a part of statistics?
if you can even ignore that, fine, then why is it OK to not know about the statistics of a unit (in ur case dmg/armor/hp etc excluding pricing), and suddenly its NOT OK on the price of a unit, that i RARELY EVER USE?

if i dont use a particular unit, why must i remember every precise detail (be it statistics and/or pricing, or rather just statistics sigh), or in particularly, its cost, when it is suddenly OK to forget whatever the hell it does? (how much pew pew it can dish out?)

i mean, i know the warp gate cooldown nerf is promoting heavy sentries before warp tech is done. but quite frankly, im not following those build trends. i dont follow to pro build orders, i just do whatever the hell i like. i've stated clearly, that i know i will lose games, and i am FINE losing those games if it really came down to not building x amount of y units just because its the pro thing to do and not doing it will mean auto lose. (which, isn't the case as i dont have 100% lose rate either)

if you still cant understand, here, let me repeat:
you can go ALL DAY about your pro builds, pro play, pro macro, pro micro, however you have to realize, NOT EVERYONE are GSL players, NOT EVERYONE WANTS to play super pro, and certainly NOT EVERYONE CAN play pro despite knowing pro stuff (pro build order pro whatever)

you want to question my credibility just because i mess up how much gas a sentry cost, wouldn't you think by now this damn forum (god forbid the world) knows that i could give a rat's ass about sentries despite seeing how pro tester or pro MC can do with it?

hell, what am i even arguing anyways? jeff asked a question, i provided an answer. it was as simple as that until you guys decide to show your pro 1337 skillz at the same time neglecting on the main point, or rather, the main question that was being asked. now how pro does that make you? giving out pointless ramblings when someone (jeff in this case) doesnt even want to hear, versus just answering him what he wanted? at the end of the day he still wont see you as a pro regardless which path you choose, and as a matter of fact you aren't a pro gamer either. so really, why the hell would you bother?


Added on June 30, 2011, 12:28 am
QUOTE(jeffvip @ Jun 30 2011, 12:13 AM)
You are the expert here? Why don't u reply me earlier? Haiz, now drinking hoegaarden at bon ton only. sad.gif
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no, i'm afraid i wouldn't be the person you're looking for smile.gif

well, if you want nice places to have a drink, changkat would be among the first place to lookout for. many beautiful girls, ladies, local or foreign. and plentiful of alchohol be it wine, cocktails, or beer to suit your taste smile.gif

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post Jun 30 2011, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 30 2011, 12:27 AM)
first of all, why is it not about unit stats? a pricing of a unit should also be included as a unit stats because duh its a part of statistics?
if you can even ignore that, fine, then why is it OK to not know about the statistics of a unit (in ur case dmg/armor/hp etc excluding pricing), and suddenly its NOT OK on the price of a unit, that i RARELY EVER USE?

if i dont use a particular unit, why must i remember every precise detail (be it statistics and/or pricing, or rather just statistics sigh), or in particularly, its cost, when it is suddenly OK to forget whatever the hell it does? (how much pew pew it can dish out?)

i mean, i know the warp gate cooldown nerf is promoting heavy sentries before warp tech is done. but quite frankly, im not following those build trends. i dont follow to pro build orders, i just do whatever the hell i like. i've stated clearly, that i know i will lose games, and i am FINE losing those games if it really came down to not building x amount of y units just because its the pro thing to do and not doing it will mean auto lose. (which, isn't the case as i dont have 100% lose rate either)

if you still cant understand, here, let me repeat:
you can go ALL DAY about your pro builds, pro play, pro macro, pro micro, however you have to realize, NOT EVERYONE are GSL players, NOT EVERYONE WANTS to play super pro, and certainly NOT EVERYONE CAN play pro despite knowing pro stuff (pro build order pro whatever)

you want to question my credibility just because i mess up how much gas a sentry cost, wouldn't you think by now this damn forum (god forbid the world) knows that i could give a rat's ass about sentries despite seeing how pro tester or pro MC can do with it?

hell, what am i even arguing anyways? jeff asked a question, i provided an answer. it was as simple as that until you guys decide to show your pro 1337 skillz at the same time neglecting on the main point, or rather, the main question that was being asked. now how pro does that make you? giving out pointless ramblings when someone (jeff in this case) doesnt even want to hear, versus just answering him what he wanted? at the end of the day he still wont see you as a pro regardless which path you choose, and as a matter of fact you aren't a pro gamer either. so really, why the hell would you bother?


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no, i'm afraid i wouldn't be the person you're looking for smile.gif

well, if you want nice places to have a drink, changkat would be among the first place to lookout for. many beautiful girls, ladies, local or foreign. and plentiful of alchohol be it wine, cocktails, or beer to suit your taste smile.gif
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clearly using sentry (a unit in game) is GSL lvl...
even pressing the guardian skill put u in GSL lvl...

again i say: the price of units have heavy impact on ur macro game especially protoss if u wanna warp in the right units... aren't we talking bout strategy here? it is like playing chess and say i am not gonna the rook lawl

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jun 30 2011, 12:35 AM)
clearly using sentry (a unit in game) is GSL lvl...
even pressing the guardian skill put u in GSL lvl...

again i say: the price of units have heavy impact on ur macro game especially protoss if u wanna warp in the right units... aren't we talking bout strategy here? it is like playing chess and say i am not gonna the rook lawl
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did i say using sentry makes you GSL level? hell did i even mention the word "guardian skill"? (considering how you like to nitpick my error of 50 gas)

again, let me explain it to you once more since you cannot grasp it:
I RARELY, BUILD SENTRIES.
I KNOW I WILL LOSE GAME
I KNOW I WILL BE FOREVER BRONZE
BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE, THAT IS MY PROBLEM.

clear enough?

and hell, you're talking about protoss strategy in a terran thread? and you ACCUSE others of derailing?
my god.

and for the record anyways, if i play chess, and i dont want to use the god damn rook, that is MY chess game, and thats MY god damn decision. whatever you do won't affect me if i decided that i'm not gonna use the god damn rook.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 30 2011, 12:43 AM)
did i say using sentry makes you GSL level? hell did i even mention the word "guardian skill"? (considering how you like to nitpick my error of 50 gas)

again, let me explain it to you once more since you cannot grasp it:
I RARELY, BUILD SENTRIES.
I KNOW I WILL LOSE GAME
I KNOW I WILL BE FOREVER BRONZE
BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE, THAT IS MY PROBLEM.

clear enough?

and hell, you're talking about protoss strategy in a terran thread? and you ACCUSE others of derailing?
my god.

and for the record anyways, if i play chess, and i dont want to use the god damn rook, that is MY chess game, and thats MY god damn decision. whatever you do won't affect me if i decided that i'm not gonna use the god damn rook.
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wait when did i accuse u of derailing?
i think u mistaken bro (dun vent ur anger at me for something i did not do)...
chill a bit lol...

ps: i am talking about unit price to refine build and maintain macro... chill a bit and read... no harm or personal atk lol... if u wanna give advice to people, at least make sure u get it right =p

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jun 30 2011, 12:52 AM)
wait when did i accuse u of derailing?
i think u mistaken bro (dun vent ur anger at me for something i did not do)...
chill a bit lol...

ps: i am talking about unit price to refine build and maintain macro... chill a bit and read... no harm or personal atk lol... if u wanna give advice to people, at least make sure u get it right =p
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i thought u could be classier than pulling off such tricks lol...


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no one said it was you accusing me either.

and believe me, im perfectly chill. else i would've done full caps and go apeshit all over the boards. then as a final closure i would just report everyone who's involved including myself and we can all have a nice happy closure party. dig?

and really, still trying to nitpick for an error that's even irrelevant in the first damn place?
ps: you should really take up your own advice.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 30 2011, 01:01 AM)
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no one said it was you accusing me either.

and believe me, im perfectly chill. else i would've done full caps and go apeshit all over the boards. then as a final closure i would just report everyone who's involved including myself and we can all have a nice happy closure party. dig?

and really, still trying to nitpick for an error that's even irrelevant in the first damn place?
ps: you should really take up your own advice.
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well u did go all CAPS for like 4-5 lines lol...
btw jz go ahead and report and i doubt i will get warned considering i post about sc2 still and not bout being laid (which i accuse of derailing) lol unless u can influence the mods that much...
not that i am bothered with ur threats...

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-.- quaz shouldnt even give non-crediable infos at the 1st place. you lose, its ur problem, u lose and still want to help other ppl to lose, theres a problem.
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You guys amaze me.

I'm surprised how one minor mistake (probably unintentional) can turn into a whole clusterf*ck of name calling and reverse trolling and credibility being questioned (seriously guys?).

I always thought that lolwut SC2 players are much more civil than the bullshit that happens in Blizzard's own SCII forums, guess I was wrong.

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