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post Aug 25 2010, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Aug 25 2010, 05:14 PM)
this just the reapers harass phase.
We haven't even go through the 'Bio ball is rollin' phase yet.
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dont even have to go through that phase. 5 tech lab rax spamming reapers like theres no tomorrow. wtf is this i dont even
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post Aug 25 2010, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 25 2010, 05:19 PM)
I'm not saying reapers are not annoying ... but still nothing compare to late game units of toss and terran.

once my hydra army was wipe out by the collosus + void ray + a few stalker or something.

resource wise, I think we are equal, and suppose hydra should kick air units ass right? well ... it's wrong ... the void ray fry my hydra like some pan cakes.

so after that, I find reapers aren't that scary after all. tongue.gif
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dont know if you get it, THERE IS NO LATE GAME.

please, watch the game between morrow and idra.

#1 and #2 of the latest intel IEM tournament. first price is 5k USD. total prize pot is 15k usd. definitely not small fry tourney. (korean got told by KESPA, or he may be able to wtfpwn the scene! /QQ)


Added on August 25, 2010, 5:25 pm
QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Aug 25 2010, 05:20 PM)

Watch how reapers shred the poor angry american.
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idra is british yo XD

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post Aug 25 2010, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 25 2010, 05:27 PM)
he's american according to the IEM player profile =p
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hmm i further dug the liquipedia, ya woh. how the hell i remembered him as british? XD

maybe mixed up with someone else (who else is british amongst the top players? lol)


Added on August 25, 2010, 5:37 pm
QUOTE(Ash @ Aug 25 2010, 05:35 PM)
IdrA is American. Please stop making silly comparisons, instead of debating which tier 1 unit combo is better how about we get serious and start discussing about strategy instead?
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pretty sure silly comparisons are still valid strategy discussions.

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post Aug 25 2010, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 25 2010, 05:41 PM)
u gotta accept the way reapers are being played to come up with a strategy over it...
assuming the 5 rax reaper style, ntg much u can do unless u can get a surround before the critical mass...
else, stick to 1 base roach like idra vs tarson semis but that is very very close as well relying ur opponent to mis-micro...
and 5 tech rax would get marauders out pretty fast for ur roaches...


Added on August 25, 2010, 5:43 pm

even morrow aka winner of IEM 2010 agreed that reaper opening are just too strong on zerg...
and i cant think of a way to overcome it unless the terran make a mismicro...
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see morrow made a couple of mis micro (as with idra, i guess. maybe too ragey), but shit means nothing when he got his production lead, resource lead, and what not lol.


Added on August 25, 2010, 6:03 pm
QUOTE(Soul-X @ Aug 25 2010, 06:02 PM)
LOLOLOLOLOL NOT ONLY ME!! SEE the quote below!!
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YES!! Reapers RAPE everyone YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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reapers are almost, if not already "boku" status YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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post Aug 25 2010, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(Soul-X @ Aug 25 2010, 06:19 PM)
lol 'boku'................. hahahaha ~ don't watch boku niggas~
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i wonder who else over here understood this. wwwwwwwwwwwwww
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post Aug 25 2010, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(hazairi @ Aug 25 2010, 06:30 PM)
yesss! i managed to flame everyone into making this issue hot!!
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not really.
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post Aug 25 2010, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(cusx @ Aug 25 2010, 07:22 PM)
anyone knows how to shoot and stop , shoot and stop like we see in Replays ?
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post Aug 26 2010, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 26 2010, 04:53 PM)
ok i learn something new today. never used queen yet.

i'm so used to the queen of the old SC. i miss that fella.
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queen is the backbone of a zerg army. no queen = no zerg. period. ggnore
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post Aug 26 2010, 09:05 PM

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PHEW
my first ultralisk success

same steppes of war map, TLO style, infestors, and shit.

sadly, im no TLO, so the way i was winning, is no where as glorious as he is. and f*** infestor mind control.. shit takes time. lost all my infestors to a BC trying to control it >.>
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post Aug 27 2010, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(Moonflown @ Aug 26 2010, 09:23 PM)
I didn't really play much lately because of exams, will be training harder starting next week and I'll upload replays if there's any that worth watching.

But I had one game in Delta Quadrant that I didn't FE. Not really in my best condition because of I rarely play these few weeks. But feel free to criticize! =D

Replay Link

P/S:And also thanks to Quaza for updating the thread with replays.
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You're welcome. will check out your replay too when i got the time. Zherk is getting more and more frustrating to me to the point of pulling an "dishonorable" play lol.


Added on August 27, 2010, 6:31 pm
QUOTE(cusx @ Aug 26 2010, 09:40 PM)
Hey all, what is the best way to counter a Terran player who Builds Bunker sealing the front door ?
I tried Bannelings, but it dosen't work, because while I'm running up the Ramp, all my bannelings got shoot.
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banelings, and theres broodlords, ultralisks (loolololol) and massed hydras backed by roaches to tank dmg


Added on August 27, 2010, 6:33 pm
QUOTE(mad_geist @ Aug 27 2010, 01:52 AM)
uhhrrrmmm... correct me if I'm wrong.. but... I thought Infestors could not control flying units?


Added on August 27, 2010, 3:24 am

huhuhuhuhu..

nice replay Moon.. like the Nydus work.. lucky he forgot to put something at the edge to detect Nydus/Drop huhuhuhu..
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infestors can control flying. its their "time needed to control" is what raped me lol. and the auto cast AI loololol (wow, for the first time, ive experienced this being a bad thing. seriously lol)


Added on August 27, 2010, 6:35 pm
QUOTE(Moonflown @ Aug 27 2010, 01:49 PM)
No one is low level in my opinion, those I taught in my clan can literally defeat me now haha. Nothing else matters as long as we're having fun swarming enemies =D.

Unfortunately,  I found that I can win a zerg easily using P or T compared to being a zerg. Awww... need more practice
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inb4terranisop loolololol

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post Aug 28 2010, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Aug 28 2010, 03:39 PM)
pwned a platinum terran! :cheer:
replay : http://www.sendspace.com/file/riz8gt
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added replay and youtube
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post Aug 30 2010, 02:49 AM

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Aug 30 2010, 12:10 AM)
With cannon + unit support is impossible rush through, muta are expensive is unwise to do so..

Well macro seems to be a more viable answer which I really lack of currently
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if you can go ultralisk i dont see why muta is expensive. or better, broordlords. with corruptors to escort against void rays
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post Aug 30 2010, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 30 2010, 08:11 PM)
lol i see this coming...
the reaper micro part is very important and of course TIMING
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you have no idea how BS US 1v1 TVZ right now. im so paranoia that i 2-3 queens, and creep tumor over larvae at the beginning. its THAT bad.
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post Sep 2 2010, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(narf03 @ Sep 2 2010, 03:03 PM)
need to ask some stupid question, which units consider as armored in zerg ? as long as its armor > 0 (or upgraded armor consider armored) ?
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special attributes for special dmg.

roach/ultralisks are the only armored AFAIK (of course structures too)

not sure if im missing out anyone else... corruptors/broodlords? i know brood are massive...


Added on September 2, 2010, 3:06 pm
QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 2 2010, 03:06 PM)
at the btm there's the unit type...
its either light, armored, psionic, massive or <insert wut did i miss out>
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BIO BALL!

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post Sep 2 2010, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 2 2010, 03:54 PM)
magic box the mutas and /lol @ thors
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not as magical as one may think. and 2400 minxgas vs 900min 600 gas thors as shown on the video. yeah lol.
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post Sep 2 2010, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 2 2010, 04:03 PM)
idra solo-ed 4 thors with only mutas...
again, magic box ur mutas so they dun get clamped up...

@ quaz
well they are mobile, provide good harassments and pwns the reapers/ hellions that are usually good vs zerg...
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currently the topic at hand is thors vs mutas straight up. nothing to do with harassment, mobility, reapers and hellions. mutas are terribad against thors /argument
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post Sep 2 2010, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(narf03 @ Sep 2 2010, 04:09 PM)
by what do you mean magic box ?


Added on September 2, 2010, 4:17 pmi think tonite ill start an easy custom game against a terran, defeat the terran, but dont end the game, then take over a scv, start making terran bases and try all the light/armored test.


Added on September 2, 2010, 4:19 pm

gimme the link of that video plz
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move ur muta over the thor, so they dont clump up

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visit first page of this thread for videos


Added on September 2, 2010, 4:25 pm
QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 2 2010, 04:19 PM)
doesnt make sense...
so u tell me u gonna park ur muta in ur base only?
mutas are one of the best harassment unit out there due to its and after a critical mass deals with any unit relatively well even thors...
thors on the other hand are really immobile so u gotta use it to ur advantage...

@ narf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68H8FeZHkWg
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how does "thors rape mutalisks" not make sense to you? people were talking about how thors rape mutalisks, not how mutalisks can run around harass workers and rape hellions/reapers.

if you want actual battle despairs, what you wanna do when your zerg base has a couple of thors + tanks + MM (or mainly just marine, since the T would know ur massing mutas) right in front of your base, and he got a few new thors in his base that isnt rallied to his main army in case you wanna base trade with ur muta.

the whole "bad boys bad boys whatcha gonna do when we come for you" song was just so appropriate.

HENCE, terran nerfs.

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post Sep 2 2010, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 2 2010, 04:30 PM)
reality: thors are not the unit getting nerfed based on the patch 1.1 previews...

korean terrans usually used marines (stim-ed) vs mutas instead and my personal experience of such builds agrees with the korean builds...
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reality: you are not forced to build ONLY mutas as a zerg.

the nerfs would actually allow other units like zerglings to get close despite siege tank behind the thor covering and actually taking out the thor, and/or the tank, which gives ways to other units (like mutas) to take out the other units.
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post Sep 2 2010, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 2 2010, 04:37 PM)
with the changes to tanks down to 35 damage to non armored, i think ur lings/ hydras gonna be sooooo happy...
nt to mention lings > thors
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it still 1 shot lings, but it wont 1 shot a PILE of lings (or hydras for that matter) since the splash dmg would be further reduced

not just lings > thors, depending on number count, hydras do have a pretty good chance on thors due to their high dps. they just get 1-2 shotted by thors which makes low count hydras (just like low count mutas) unfavorable against a thor in general.
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post Sep 2 2010, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 2 2010, 04:42 PM)
yup probably gonna see more hydras in ZvT at last...
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reaper nerfs would also allow hydras to survive. as it stands, any terran massing or having a sizeble reaper force roaming around would utterly destroy hydras. sure, you'd lose a couple reaper, but when ur trading 100min50 gas + larvae to 50min 50 gas + easy rauder/rine switch, you know shit is wrong.


Added on September 2, 2010, 4:45 pm
QUOTE(Moonflown @ Sep 2 2010, 04:44 PM)
Note that when ever the thors are attacking your muta, you ground units should be doing massive damage to him because thors do take sometime killing mutas if they are not bunched up.
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and thats what shitty siege tanks would be doing to you: terrible terrible damage. wwwwww

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