still not in a habit to use roach / bane / hydra
i miss them guardians from SC too.
The Zerg Strategy v1.0, Cheer for the overmind!
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Aug 23 2010, 02:24 PM
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sometimes i don't even upgrade. i just send to whack only.
still not in a habit to use roach / bane / hydra i miss them guardians from SC too. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:25 PM
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After playing like 10-20 times, finally gotten the `Morph 20 Zerglings in first 250 seconds of the game` achievement.
U can really get your lings dem fast...not that i know how to use zerg anyway hahaha |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE(hazairi @ Aug 23 2010, 02:13 PM) that's what i was talking about.. the dilemma of early expansion or not.. 1 hatch play would never give u enuff units against terran...for me, if playing againts terran players who like to do an early harass, just play with 1 hatchery.. and make an early rush to the opponent such as bannels.. the good thing bout the reaper opening is that u can transition into MMM or tanks without much trouble... |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:29 PM
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normally i would have a 2nd hatch near my 1st hatch, if i have 300 M surplus.......... which i usually do. drones on creep = damn fast.
reason to have it near is because it's starts much faster (travel to next spot takes time) which means more unit production. in some cases, i do build my 2nd hatch straight on another plot, in games where i think that would drag longer. as what evo mentioned, no matter how - 1 hatch is not enough! i like having 3 or more hatches. keep in mind to have overlord in part of the queue once in a while. it sucks when you have 9 larvae and can't do anything cos lacking overlords. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:33 PM
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Blizz need to balance it fast! =(
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Aug 23 2010, 02:33 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « pretty much why i cry rivers everytime random gets me zherk. i 1v1 yesterday on plat (facing diamonds loolol), 4 win and 4 loss. 3 loss is zerg. 1 loss is protoss cuz i did some bad micromanagement and its just small mistake. i can live with that. zerg on the other hand, sigh. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:35 PM
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and your losses were due to ..............? mix of reapers? mmm? mech?
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Aug 23 2010, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 23 2010, 02:16 PM) yeah. i understand. this game is all about risk man. 4 drone to gas unless distance is further, does nothing lol. because ur drone just sitting at extractor even on 3 dronesi like it when my opponent decide to bunker in. this mean they spend more time defending and tech-ing up. i just have to kacau kau kau before they reach nice tech units. costs a lot of M and V just to tech up, let alone build. zerglings only need M. if i intend to go Muta then i would allocate more drones for gas, even up to 4 drones per gas. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 23 2010, 02:35 PM) 4 drone to gas unless distance is further, does nothing lol. because ur drone just sitting at extractor even on 3 drones i get picky sometimes. if i see there's a gap (no waiting drones) and have super a lot of M and sufficient forces, then yeah i'd cram the 4th one there.but usually is 2 - 3. i go 3 when i have a lot of M. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 23 2010, 02:26 PM) 1 hatch play would never give u enuff units against terran... but for an early game, it's enuff to do an early rush such as lings+roach rush or banels+lings rush..the good thing bout the reaper opening is that u can transition into MMM or tanks without much trouble... And also quite risky. If the early rush fails.. u die.. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:50 PM
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I still feels that SC1 zerg is more balanced... SC2 zerg is too....
Too... Tooooo.... Taufu-ish..... VS Terran... 1 - Early Reapers make you can't harass your enemy... The enemy harasses you 100% 2 - Hellion Harass comes after reapers SOMETIMES... 3 - Mutalisks? By the time you have Mutalisks... They already have turrets everywhere... THIS IS NOT SC1 where you can stack your muta and the turret HP/Damage is low... This time Turret shoot your muta ass damn pain... 4 - Pretty much, you're screwed now... VS Protoss 1 - ZERG RUSH!!! waaaiiitt... wtf is the zealot standing there? I can't get in!! 2 - Ok now I have Roaches... WTF!!! Sentry block the road with force fields and stalker hit from behind... Bully the short range of Roaches... 3 - OMG WTF is that?? Phoenix? Oh I only got 2 Queens... One in main and another in natural... SHIT!! Opponent got 3-4 Phoenix... Ohhh my overlord screaming in PAIN!! NOOOO!! Oh... I'm Screwed!! 4 - Ok... I manage to defend the Phoenix harass... Lets go!! OMFG Who's that tall guy?? collo... Colloo... collo whaattt?? 5 - gg... Sometimes when VS Protoss, If you late upgrade your Hatchery to Lair... And opponent send in all DTs... You're pretty much GG... I wished Overlord can detech stealth like how it used to be in SC1... Mutalisk harass is still effective... But not as effective as in SC1... Hydralisk is one of the main 'logo' of zerg... They should make Hydralisk at least stronger? 100 Minerals 50Gas 2Supply... 80HP... 1x Damage... (5Range) = Hydralisk 100 Minerals 50Gas 2Supply... 125HP... 1x Damage, 20 Damage to Armor... (6Range) = Marauder 125 Minerals 50Gas 2Supply... 80HP 80Shield... 1x Damage (6Range)= Stalker Stalker and Marauder only need Cybernetics Core and Tech Lab to build... Hydralisk? You need a LAIRRRR... LAIRR!!! And a Hydralisks Den... Sigh... |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(hazairi @ Aug 23 2010, 02:40 PM) but for an early game, it's enuff to do an early rush such as lings+roach rush or banels+lings rush.. If the bases are nearby and the terran player doesn't seal his ramp with barracks yes. Once a Terran player knows how to seal his ramp, I doubt you can "outrush" him. Roach needs gas, so if you can rush out many units of roaches , your opponnent too can rush out as many mauraders/marines.And also quite risky. If the early rush fails.. u die.. Not forgetting that they can use the reaper hit and run technique early game. As irritating as mauraders. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(Drian @ Aug 23 2010, 02:53 PM) If the bases are nearby and the terran player doesn't seal his ramp with barracks yes. Once a Terran player knows how to seal his ramp, I doubt you can "outrush" him. Roach needs gas, so if you can rush out many units of roaches , your opponnent too can rush out as many mauraders/marines. 6 pool, banelingsNot forgetting that they can use the reaper hit and run technique early game. As irritating as mauraders. lol |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE(hazairi @ Aug 23 2010, 02:40 PM) but for an early game, it's enuff to do an early rush such as lings+roach rush or banels+lings rush.. the reaper build would wipe ur rush clean as it provide fast early reapers...And also quite risky. If the early rush fails.. u die.. u gotta remember that u no longer have the creep advantage when u put while he would be kiting u forever with reapers... wut IEM2010 tell us? TvZ is screwed when u are a zerg LOL... as a fellow toss, i'm glade nt to meet reapers but i still get screwed by marauder openings |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:56 PM
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Aug 23 2010, 02:57 PM
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Many people say zerg race is suppose to mass and conquer. But how are you going to mass when an equivalent unit cost just as much as humans/protoss and the Zerg tier2 units are just equivalent to human/protoss tier 1 units?
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Aug 23 2010, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE(Drian @ Aug 23 2010, 02:57 PM) Many people say zerg race is suppose to mass and conquer. But how are you going to mass when an equivalent unit cost just as much as humans/protoss and the Zerg tier2 units are just equivalent to human/protoss tier 1 units? by having more base?btw hydras have much higher DPS than stalkers... |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 23 2010, 02:56 PM) the reaper build would wipe ur rush clean as it provide fast early reapers... speedlings can easily wipe the reapers i guess..u gotta remember that u no longer have the creep advantage when u put while he would be kiting u forever with reapers... wut IEM2010 tell us? TvZ is screwed when u are a zerg LOL... as a fellow toss, i'm glade nt to meet reapers but i still get screwed by marauder openings gotta micro on it.. |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:02 PM
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I wonder is my self fear or what.. I have yet to won a single game against terran. When I start to play Sc2, every opponent i played against were toss and now it's all terran
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Aug 23 2010, 03:03 PM
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