bah.. those are nothing.. I got like 10 lost in a row..

man.. that suck so much.. thou I would like to think that I'm getting better..

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Added on September 5, 2010, 2:02 amouch.. I feel u Sichiri..

after watching that replay, I'd say its hard for me to counter that.. basically
1) he mess with your income at the beginning by forcing your drones to fight
2) his zealot kept you in your base and not know what he is doing
3) you were forced to produce lots of army to deal with his harass and late to tech

my gayest lost most probably when a Terran build a bunker and barrack very close to my base and I was late noticing it
he boxed me in and his siege tank hit my base from way back


This post has been edited by mad_geist: Sep 5 2010, 02:02 AM

I thought I saw one game where the original nydus was destroyed, but the other end was alive, so the units can get out on the other side..

havent tried it myself thou.. will have to reconfirm this..

I'm a frequent nydus user.. they helped me win most of my games

yeah I agree with Evo.. if I see a probe I'll put a few drones on it to make it leave.. and if he does leave put a drone to tail him to make sure he leaves.. and not fake it and come back to proxy pylon u again unnoticed (like happened to me one time )

ok.. I hardly fight another Zerg in ladder.. so I want to practice in custom games against Hard Zerg AI.. however I find it harder to ZvZ.. I can win against Protos Hard AI, or Terran Hard AI.. but cant beat Zerg Hard AI yet..

anyone can show me how its done (by replay I mean)? cause if I cant win against Zerg hard AI then I'm definitely doing something wrong..

huhuh.. I finally can beat Hard Zerg AI.. to do that I had to learn three things..

1) Moon's advice - to have 26drone to saturate one base (I used to have like 18-20 drones only)
2) Liquipedia article about Zerg Macro Mechanics - Not forgetting to Spawn Larvae everytime Queen has energy for it (so you can stock pile Larvae.. I always forget this and end up with more mineral then the units I can create)
3) What I accidentally discovered - Make Overlord spawn creep at choke points to my base, put spine crawlers on it and use Roaches to block the entry gap (similar to the Protos semi-wall)

I know fighting AI is not the same as 1v1 against human.. but if I can't beat the predictable AI, how can I bean unpredictable humans right?

about number 3.. I havent seen any one doing it either.. maybe its been done before.. but its a new thing for me.. maybe I'll upload that replay to show u guys.. its towards the middle thou..


edit: ok.. "http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/" wont allow 1 player replays.. so cant upload those replays I guess.. hehe

This post has been edited by mad_geist: Sep 7 2010, 01:13 AM

Sky.Live.. I need clarification on what u said there
were you talking about AI?

@narf03 -> yeah.. I agree with you.. so Zerg need to be prepared with Lair.. In Any Case..
cause I got beaten twice by protos because I didnt have Lair..
1) Dark Templar attack - no Lair so no Overseers
2) Mass Voidray attack - no Hydra Den so no Hydra..

oh.. for case 2, I did scout his base, and didnt see any starport so I didnt put down hydra den.. turns out he proxy base his starport and massed voidray without me noticing it till my base starts to burn

how to use roaches? In one game I went Roaches and my opponent went Hydra.. (+ a few zergligs)

Our armies met in the middle of map.. I rolled his Hydra + Lings straight up to his base and on to his mineral lines.. with most of my Roaches still alive..

their DPS is low, but it got staying power man.. hehe.. in similar numbers Roaches just rolled Hydra army..

Plus.. Roach heavy army can bust Terran's Wall early in game when he dont have tanks

well yeah Marauder would counter Roaches.. if u are early enough.. Terran might not have a significant number of Marauder.. so there is a window for the Roach Rush.. especially if Terran tries the Hellion opening..

anyways.. I fought a Zerg in ladder match just now.. he tried to plant a Spine Crawler in my base.. hehe.. a cheese tactic I guess.. but my 10 Overpool opening successfully thwart his tactic.. my Lings came out just in time to kill it off with only one casualty.. I tech up and send Roaches into his base, at which point he calls it GG..

its been some time since I won a ZvZ ladder match.. so yeah.. i'm happy!

well I have a question as well..

do you guys do the "Extractor trick"?

is it really worth doing?

ok.. I had a very peculiar fight just now.. my opponent went pure marines.. he had like 150 of them.. fully upgraded.. and my army of Roaches and Hydralisk was creamed easily..

I did scout his base.. I did see only barracks and reactors.. and I see only marines.. I thought he is a noob.. but turns out he massed those marine into one giant bio ball.. and I have no banelings to bowl them with..

I pulled a lucky win.. wiped his base before he wiped mine..

yeah.. have to agree with you Narf.. I can reach them.. but the effect is small and I didnt manage to kill a significant number of them.. I guess the Infestor solution is best.. two fungal growth can wipe them out.. then again.. i'm pretty bad with infestor.. and the only time I tried using them is the Zerg Challenge Mission

I really need to learn to use them

only from 1 base

ouch.. thats right in my face.. thou I did wipe his base first and win.. he would have won otherwise


@narf03 -> yeah.. they were in a ball.. just that my 1 infestor cant fungal them in time.. cause I forgot the hotkey

sounds interesting Sky.. if you can upload the replay for me.. want to see how that happen too

I find it difficult to fight opponent that is aggressive and harass.. maybe because as Zerg its usually me doing the harassment.. and the other guy just turtle up.. I really got to learn and respond better I guess

@evofantasy -> ok.. watched the replay.. he did got some mineral out of his natural expansion.. before I shut that down.. so he is considered two based I guess..

@Sky.Live->.. I tried to show you the semi-wall that I was talking about.. I did it in the match below if u want to see it.. did a couple of nydus drop too!

bear in mind that my play is at Bronze League level.. hehe.. and as always.. comments/advices/suggestions are welcomed..

if you can post a replay I'd love to see it

@narf03 -> this technique was explained a few pages back really.. and it has really helped me out alot since.. now.. if I only can remember to actually Cast the spell.. I always forgot to do that in battle

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on another note.. this is my Bronze level play I had last nite.. I tried to do a semi-wall in Lost Temple.. just want to show u guys my idea of how to do a semi-wall.. thou please keep in mind.. i'm at Bronze Level.. so my play is kindoff suck.. its the Idea that I want to present



the actual game wouldnt have been that long if he just surrender after loosing all his forces

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this is my other game that I try using Nydus for Reinforcement.. after my Roaches got into his base, I used Nydus to drop in reinforcements.. again.. the Idea I want to show is using Nydus as a means to send in reinforcements.. u know how Roaches always so slow (especially without speed upgrade) and Hydra too.. well a Nydus can send them straight where the action is..



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I just want to share my idea.. I know I didnt execute it well, but I'm sure higher skilled players can use this ideas and take it to the next level
hope this helps someone, and not just embarrassment for my skill.. hehe..

I love trying to think of new ideas for using stuff.. so if u guys have any new ideas share it.. so we can all learn something from each other!

This post has been edited by mad_geist: Sep 19 2010, 10:49 AM

hrmm I dont know.. I'm still trying to push the boundaries of how fast I can nydus in.. I have to check back my replay but.. maybe in 10min game time? I tried to go pool->Roaches->Lair->Nydus as fast as I can.. as time progress, opponent have more view of their main base and nydus are harder to pop without them knowing it..

Last nite I did finish a game in around 11min (gametime) after my nydus pop behind this Terran's base, mowed his small defending forces (siege tank out of position is easy to kill )and he quit when my Roaches got to his mineral patch.. he may have tried to tech, hence the small unit count..

my other attempt at doing this strategy against another zerg backfired.. because he went Muta and my Roach army got creamed.. althou after watching the replay, I might had a better chance if I just send my Roach over rather then trying to Nydus it in.. since Zerg cant really do a wall off anyway right

Another way that i've been thinking is.. using Muta tu give sight and hold the "beach head" as I would like to think it.. so maybe the Muta can defend the Nydus while its poping.. and my roaches will try to finish the base.. but.. that will need longer time to setup thou

This is me trying to do a fast nydus

for this part of my previous post

"Last nite I did finish a game in around 11min (gametime) after my nydus pop behind this Terran's base, mowed his small defending forces (siege tank out of position is easy to kill )and he quit when my Roaches got to his mineral patch.. he may have tried to tech, hence the small unit count.. "

refer to the posting I made below..

althou I must warn you.. I'm in no way a good zerg player.. I'm just learning myself..

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Added on September 21, 2010, 11:05 amWhat ericpires said is important.. try to nydus in as fast as possible.. 10min is the mark to beat.. any later then that you may be at the disadvantage for using the "nydus rush" strategy..

This post has been edited by mad_geist: Sep 21 2010, 11:05 AM