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 The Zerg Strategy v1.0, Cheer for the overmind!

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post Nov 9 2011, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 9 2011, 09:03 PM)


there is no 1 strategy win all but rather scouting and reacting the right way...
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this post makes so much sense it is beyond epic.
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post Nov 9 2011, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 9 2011, 09:03 PM)
1. u wont see BCs in ZvT
2. ghosts are the biggest problem late game, not BCs... see BLs? pew pew pew wit snipe... see ultras? pew pew pew wit snipe...

u dun use lings for vision at expansions >.<
those are a waste of larvae and food supply...
u do that with overlords especially when u get lair tech, u will creep on it...
overlords are basically ur map vision unit so spread them all over the map (and dun give me the i dun want them to get sniped by enemy units =.= if u are worrying about that, u are playing the wrong race)...

and dun ever ever ever rush to corruptor broodlords...
the timing window is so huge that any decent terran can punish u for it...
basically sc2 is nt a game about unit composition...
there is no 1 strategy win all but rather scouting and reacting the right way...
1. If sniper is use then its useless against zergling cause they are a lots. And "i dun want them to get snipe" .. WTF ever thinking that they rather use hellions against you or a small group of marines with medic a.k.a Marine drop or reapers? fastest backup .. lings, lots and lots of lings.

2. Pay for 4 food supply for ling vison on 8 patch then a dead overlord which see 1 patch and reduce food supply if shot down. I rather go for lings.

3. What part didnt you see ? OVERSEER SPY for information !! Which you can react since zerg can mass produce provided more hatchery larve and queens inject more larve.

4. Your "dun rush to corruptor" advise is to support Terren noobs. I go for it and i win it whats your experiance? Ever use overseer to contaminate the terren buildings ? i build a lot just to do that and it piss them off since it slowed their production and give me time to mass produce.

5. Basicly this Zerg race is not for you.. People like you go for wins usually want to win chose Terren for massing marines and medics for easy win. Stim up and go in.. such easy tactics. i can build barracks and starport with reactor and keep churning marines and medic like nobodys bussines.


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post Nov 9 2011, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(TruthHurts @ Nov 9 2011, 09:27 PM)
1. If sniper is use then its useless against zergling cause they are a lots. And "i dun want them to get snipe" .. WTF ever thinking that they rather use hellions against you or a small group of marines with medic a.k.a Marine drop or reapers? fastest backup .. lings, lots and lots of lings.
  
2. Pay for 4 food supply for ling vison on 8 patch then a dead overlord which see 1 patch and reduce food supply if shot down. I rather go for lings.

3. What part didnt you see ? OVERSEER SPY for information !! Which you can react since zerg can mass produce provided more hatchery larve and queens inject more larve.

4. Your "dun rush to corruptor" advise is to support Terren noobs. I go for it and i win it whats your experiance? Ever use overseer to contaminate the terren buildings ? i build a lot just to do that and it piss them off since it slowed their production and give me time to mass produce. 

5. Basicly this Zerg race is not for you.. People like you go for wins usually want to win chose Terren for massing marines and medics for easy win. Stim up and go in.. such easy tactics. i can build barracks and starport with reactor and keep churning marines and medic like nobodys bussines.
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seriously i wonder if u really play the game or just random theory crafting =.=



1. either u are ignorant about the real TvZ late game or u really think tat battle cruisers viable... and i bet u nvr really see late game TvZ using mech ghost before do you? try looking at MVP vs Nestea from blizzcon finals if u are tat clueless... i will spoil u that nestea was max out with 14k resource banked and couldnt break the mech-ghost of MVP... and no there were no battle cruisers...

2. really? try asking any decent zergs or masters zerg and tell them spreading overlords around the map is a stupid thing to do... overlord spreading is one of the key for ZvT spotting for drops (which is why u see pros do it all the time)... we are talking about spending 4 larvae early game to put lings all over the map which u dun need vs overlords which u do need and slowing down expansions with creep drop... that is the same concepts as what protoss players do with proxy pylons all over the map for vision and expansion denial...

3. great, now using mass overseers for contaminate... well done wasting all ur gas and here i wonder why blizzard decided to remove overseers in HoTS... have fun making mass overseers and not spending that gas on ur army...

4. good lucky rushing to corruptors and jz die to the standard marine-bunker pressure -> marine tank timing or rather and possible terran build there is as long as the terran is decent... do u even knw what is a transition rather than rushing into T3... i wonder how do u even get enuff economy to rush into T3 broodlords...

5. i play random, ur point is? it is nt about winning bt rather playing the game the right way... u are in a forum discussion thread, at least make some constructive comments which make sense... heck i can go into the terran thread and tell them i rush to BC and win games =.="

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post Nov 9 2011, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 9 2011, 09:45 PM)
seriously i wonder if u really play the game or just random theory crafting =.=
1. either u are ignorant about the real TvZ late game or u really think tat battle cruisers viable... and i bet u nvr really see late game TvZ using mech ghost before do you? try looking at MVP vs Nestea from blizzcon finals if u are tat clueless... i will spoil u that nestea was max out with 14k resource banked and couldnt break the mech-ghost of MVP... and no there were no battle cruisers...

2. really? try asking any decent zergs or masters zerg and tell them spreading overlords around the map is a stupid thing to do... overlord spreading is one of the key for ZvT spotting for drops (which is why u see pros do it all the time)... we are talking about spending 4 larvae early game to put lings all over the map which u dun need vs overlords which u do need and slowing down expansions with creep drop...  that is the same concepts as what protoss players do with proxy pylons all over the map for vision and expansion denial...

3. great, now using mass overseers for contaminate... well done wasting all ur gas and here i wonder why blizzard decided to remove overseers in HoTS... have fun making mass overseers and not spending that gas on ur army...

4. good lucky rushing to corruptors and jz die to the standard marine-bunker pressure -> marine tank timing or rather and possible terran build there is as long as the terran is decent... do u even knw what is a transition rather than rushing into T3... i wonder how do u even get enuff economy to rush into T3 broodlords...

5. i play random, ur point is? it is nt about winning bt rather playing the game the right way... u are in a forum discussion thread, at least make some constructive comments which make sense... heck i can go into the terran thread and tell them i rush to BC and win games =.="
1. You are asking to look for people who played and taking this from YOU TUBE ?!? Where is your experiance?
2. There are 2 ways to stop expansion .. 1. creeps .. 2. BURROWED units. i can research for BURROW at T2 either way overlord will have creep puke on T2 and need speed upgarade to run from marine trying to kill your overlords.
3. Yes paying 50/50 just to slow their upgrade and expansion is a part of stratergy. HOTS remove overseer cause they dont need 2 get rid one of the detector. Hence forth the "great all can be detector spray tag." <-- Good to use on queen or any units. Oso can be use on enemy ?
4. what do mass ling do ? disturb while i expand !!
5. RANDOM !!! And all the "masters" are using specific race to master and kill other master of their own race while you use random ?!?.... (O.o) ~~ "at least make some constructive comments which make sense." = Fail you on 1 and 2. You have no proper builds beside random builds.

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post Nov 9 2011, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(TruthHurts @ Nov 9 2011, 10:24 PM)
1. You are asking to look for people who played and taking this from YOU TUBE ?!? Where is your experiance?
2. There are 2 ways to stop expansion .. 1. creeps .. 2. BURROWED units. i can research for BURROW at T2 either way overlord will have creep puke on T2 and need speed upgarade to run from marine trying to kill your overlords. 
3. Yes paying 50/50 just to slow their upgrade and expansion is a part of stratergy. HOTS remove overseer cause they dont need 2 get rid one of the detector. Hence forth the "great all can be detector spray tag." <-- Good to use on queen or any units. Oso can be use on enemy ?
4. what do mass ling do ? disturb while i expand  !!
5. RANDOM !!! And all the "masters" are using specific race to master and kill other master of their own race while you use random ?!?.... (O.o) ~~ "at least make some constructive comments which make sense." = Fail you on 1 and 2. You have no proper builds beside random builds.
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1. if u are wondering rite, MVP is known as the best terran in the world and for zerg it is Nestea... these 2 are the ones which set the standard (and possibly the metagame)... all of the late game TvZ i play or observe nvr ever gotten up to battle cruisers (if u count out trolling team games)

2. so i wonder, where do u put ur overlords then? all of them floating above ur base? oh ya, i dun try to rescue that overlord, that overlord is well worth dying for that information...

3. sure slow their upgrade and they jz take their army and go kill u... i wonder what opponents do u even play with... TvZ is an intense matchup where u are cutting corners to get ahead and here u are wasting that valuable gas on mass overseers instead of double evo upgrades, bling speed or T2 tech ./facepalm. by the time u have enough energy to contaminate (125 energy btw), u wouldnt be slowing down anything if ur opponent knows his build and timing well enough...

4. mass lings doesnt work if the terran know hw to reduce surface area, kiting, healed by medivacs and the current metagame of double reactor hellions... good luck on relying on ntg but lings and getting to T3 broodlord tech (off 3 base) without dying

5. well i dun use random build orders... i play random race but i know enough build orders (though protoss is possibly my best race still since i practiced my mechanics using protoss)... this is partly due to the reason i practice every race with my clanmates depending on which race they need... i know most zerg build orders but i always open with a standard build order according to map and transition accordingly to what i scouted... playing all 3 races allow u to know various timings to exploit as well as what to look for when scouting... for example by looking at the timing of an expansion or army at the ramp u can knw ur opponent's build... the downside of playing all 3 races are ur mechanics which is why i focus on protoss for my mechanics...

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well if u still insist that BL rush relying on ntg but lings, lings > blue flame hellions, and mass overseer to slow down is good go ahead...
i am sure u will change ur mind pretty much soon when u meet a decent opponent (1v1 btw)...

i wonder, what league are u in btw...
u are by far the first person i know to ever say that rushing up corruptor broodlords as a valid build lol...

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mass overseer OP yo~ drop mass changeling then i as terran sure shit brix see mass dogs+banelings+ MARINES~!?!?!~? this is MADNESS
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post Nov 10 2011, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Nov 9 2011, 11:54 PM)
mass overseer OP yo~ drop mass changeling then i as terran sure shit brix see mass dogs+banelings+ MARINES~!?!?!~? this is MADNESS
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some1 do this on me in team game before lolx...
my teammate ask why my marine afk in base i tell him it is not mine >.<
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What evofantasy said about reacting is correct.. If there was such a thing as a perfect build then that race would automatically be the most played race in SC2 and that is the only strategy that will be used.. If you can find it, go look for Leenock VS Clide in one of their TvZ match ups.. See how the players react to the different builds/tech the opponent is going and try to counter.. It's a bit long but that game is an example of how Zerg is meant to be played.. Also, I have no idea what's your infatuation with BCs but they're almost never used in 1v1 high level matches..

Btw, the mass overseer idea is good and all but by God they're pointless to mass cause I honestly feel that there's a lot of other better things that can be done with the than massing overseers...
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im sure truth strat sure works on me~ IM WEAK AGAINST MASS MASS DOGS~ sad.gif
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it's like Funday monday Mass Contaminate all over ~~ !!
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contaminate has been nerf~ so it wont deal so many problem i think~
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gimme back my 9 range on festors.. sad.gif
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QUOTE(yuvster @ Nov 10 2011, 11:19 AM)
gimme back my 9 range on festors.. sad.gif
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blizzard doesnt really listen to us infestor-heavy users..
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QUOTE(keretapir @ Nov 10 2011, 11:55 AM)
blizzard doesnt really listen to us infestor-heavy users..
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bcoz u guyz just use infestor go langgar tank along with zerglings~
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QUOTE(yuvster @ Nov 10 2011, 02:51 AM)
What evofantasy said about reacting is correct.. If there was such a thing as a perfect build then that race would automatically be the most played race in SC2 and that is the only strategy that will be used.. If you can find it, go look for Leenock VS Clide in one of their TvZ match ups.. See how the players react to the different builds/tech the opponent is going and try to counter.. It's a bit long but that game is an example of how Zerg is meant to be played.. Also, I have no idea what's your infatuation with BCs but they're almost never used in 1v1 high level matches..

Btw, the mass overseer idea is good and all but by God they're pointless to mass cause I honestly feel that there's a lot of other better things that can be done with the than massing overseers...
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the only time i saw it being used competitively was idra vs zenio from the early days of GSL and tat was only like 3-4 overseers used, nt mass overseers >.<...
with the nerf to contaminate requiring 125 energy, i dun think it is possible anymore...
contaminate is a weaker version of the oracle's phasing ability which is why overseers are removed...
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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Nov 10 2011, 08:41 AM)
im sure truth strat sure works on me~ IM WEAK AGAINST MASS MASS DOGS~ sad.gif
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The truth is.. i use MASS UPGRADED DOGS always lose to a pro diamond... Aeco said there's no such thing as hard counter.... he lie me or what le? All the dood ever do is press T on his marine whenever my dogs engage then it's autolose even with 2 over 1 ratio sad.gif
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QUOTE(Koroster @ Nov 10 2011, 02:07 PM)
The truth is.. i use MASS UPGRADED DOGS always lose to a pro diamond... Aeco said there's no such thing as hard counter.... he lie me or what le? All the dood ever do is press T on his marine whenever my dogs engage then it's autolose even with 2 over 1 ratio  sad.gif
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walao no need work a???
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QUOTE(Koroster @ Nov 10 2011, 02:07 PM)
The truth is.. i use MASS UPGRADED DOGS always lose to a pro diamond... Aeco said there's no such thing as hard counter.... he lie me or what le? All the dood ever do is press T on his marine whenever my dogs engage then it's autolose even with 2 over 1 ratio  sad.gif
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kns koros troll me...
where are ur blings woi =(
exploded at CC again?
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QUOTE(Koroster @ Nov 10 2011, 02:07 PM)
The truth is.. i use MASS UPGRADED DOGS always lose to a pro diamond... Aeco said there's no such thing as hard counter.... he lie me or what le? All the dood ever do is press T on his marine whenever my dogs engage then it's autolose even with 2 over 1 ratio  sad.gif
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which diamond so pro o?? KING.!?....

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