http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Cheese

Cheese is a pejorative expression which refers to a strategy that is highly unconventional and designed to take one's opponent by surprise. In general, cheese is hard to beat if not scouted but easy to defeat if it is scouted.


it is different than all in~ all in means that u overcommiting something and definitely no coming back if failed

according to that i can conclude this, all cheese are all ins, but not all ins are cheese, the point of my previous post is still technically correct

This post has been edited by pepsi89: Aug 22 2011, 03:35 PM

cheese can and cannot be an all in.

cheese is simply that (or you may refer to the wiki link above):
cheesy, a cheesy strat/move.

lol which cheese is not all in? i dont see any, 8 pool? just becuz he droned 2 more workers up? c'mon a good platinum level 4 gate can end the game easily, unless the protoss wall completely off with a forge and canon which is unnecessary

This post has been edited by pepsi89: Aug 22 2011, 07:26 PM

it could be a mid game cheese, i wonder if mbrt vs a toss is considered as a cheese? if yes theres one lulz.

i mean, by definition, anything that is cheesy, or "cheating" from korean's definition is basically it. im not particularly a frequent cheeser so i cant help answer you on that.

oh i know, if u can counter a 6/8 pool but still let the zerg macro won the game, then it is not all in, so it is according to the player's skill to determine whether it is not an all in, in this case, 6/8 pool, 2 gate proxy are all not all in, any strat is not all in to a beginner - period

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Added on August 22, 2011, 7:34 pmor i should define cheese as something which require a good on-the-spot micro and brain storm when u see that that strat, which in this case, the cheese, coming

This post has been edited by pepsi89: Aug 22 2011, 07:34 PM

cheese @@?

sometimes it just a generalization to make a tactic sounds silly....

u 'cheese' or not doesn't matter imo... it's how good u execute it...

need help with ZvT Mech. Whenever T goes FE and then mech, I always seemed to be at lost and have on idea what on earth should I do. Normally if I see that, I'll set up a macro hatch quickly and move on. But then again I really have no idea about the army composition of the Z when up against the T mech army. help........

roach hydras...

hmm.....what i learn now in ZvT against mech is always do sling run by, roach/bling drops and muta harrass cuz he cant be everywhere playing mech. you will probably set up to 5 base, he will be bz defending his 3 base and push out.....just delay his push as long as possible and overwhelm him wif a big surround.

in late game vs a death ball of terran mech, BL and infestor is your answer.

For me Banelings are difficult to use ... and roach are slow and bulky ...

so end up I always use zergling + hydra ... it makes myself pretty much predictable ...

protoss collo and terran tank eats these things alive...


roaches wif speed are damn fast la...........

tanks kill roaches also super fast fyi

In which league?

Actually you need scout hw many factory he got (with/without reactor etc)... if u saw more than 2 and still producing unit...
well can try to be aggresive as soonest as when it possible

IMO there are a lot of variation to hit them.. one i would suggest is double bane drops + mass speedlings drive in before the T hit critical mech mass ..

roach as main army in zvt is pretty stupid........i've only seen unconventional roach infestor timing attack work a few times against mechh....f the tank critical mass is out, it will be damn hard.....

just keep on do sling run by and drops....

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Added on August 27, 2011, 8:56 pmand late game BL infestor > all terran army

This post has been edited by quest_5692: Aug 27 2011, 08:56 PM

Guys.. anyone know any 2 v 2 build order.. crap was I raped with my zerg random partner just now vs 2 terran :S

I would advocate Ultras with blings....ultras to soak damage and blings to mop up..

But again..BL is superb vs mech. Infestors rapes thors...by NP.

GL HF

This is gold league,

My raging against mech
I did recorded this a while back. Can you guys take a look?

Haven't got time playing lately, school is getting reallyy busy

This post has been edited by kei_86: Sep 8 2011, 08:49 PM

Is one base pressure the only way to hit on zerg in the lower leagues like bronze and silver? I keep preparing to play a macro game.. then comes the pressure I GG...

lol, i think in lower league, ZvZ the best is still stick with pool first...then dun stop gas..then you wont die to rush that easily..

in higher league when you have the micro to fend off rushes already, hatch 1st macro games are actually more common.