me from SEA server.

So, is there any good build order for 4v4 random match?

Carrier should get some buff. The current one is ridiculously weak.

What's good opening for Protoss against Terran and Zerg?

Is fast Expand viable against Terran and Zerg?

What is the timing for first banshee to appear for harassing? I have a hard time to counter this.

What is the best protoss build order? 4 gate or 3 Gate > tech. Also, what is the best time for protoss to expand?

Thanks for your information. It helps.

I always have the mentality of afraid of expanding. It is mainly because I think I am unable to hold any incoming attack off.

As for the units, what kind of unit composition works the best against Terran, Zerg and Protoss as Protoss? I don't really like Colossus that much, but I need them if I want to win the game...Am I right?

@hahli9, thanks for your information.

I just played at least 10 games and I lost all the games. Most likely because I have been too aggressive and most of my game ended below 10 minutes.

Of course, I also got rushed by early pool and proxy gateway. Don't know to defend it, especially when they are random and got zerg. Scouting doesn't help in 4 players map. By the time I noticed the pool, I'm already too late to react.

Sometime I do wonder, how do those pros defend from 6 pool, especially when they go for FFE strategy. Also, is Protoss never meant to be play aggressive?

Need more opening strategy against protoss and zerg as Protoss. I can't do anything against them...unless I got lucky with 4 gate rushes.

Yeah, even the best Korean Protoss player in the world is nothing in front of best Korean Terran/Zerg players.

Yesterday I saw Huk's live stream and he got owned so badly by zerg. In all his games, he can't do anything. Even with FFE, he still got outmacro. Infestor combo is really deadly. It takes no time for the zerg player to remax his forces and send another wave to Huk. The good thing about the zerg is its can always change his units composition with ease since Hatchery can trains all kind of units.

Blizzard and david Kim are as blind as bat. It is amazing for them to think that Protoss is balance.

Agreed. What is Stalker do the best? Mobility, and Infestor shut it down. There is no way stalkers can beat Roaches in same number, hence they rely on their mobility to even the field, and Infestor screw it.

This post has been edited by kding2: Aug 9 2011, 11:19 PM

Terran marine, raven, tank, scv walk into the Protoss's bar and ask the Protoss's bouncer : Where is the counter?

and the Protoss's bouncer says, "I afraid that I can't tell you where is our counter as your tank just squashed it few minute ago"

Terran Tank: oh my bad...

People says that Colossus is great for protoss, yet I can't win the game with it. How many colossus that I actually needed? I got three and Terran steamrolled me with ease. Viking sniped them so badly and fast.

Just owned by 5 Rax marine pushes. So, what should I do in this situation? I can't scout because of his marines at the ramp in the early game. By the time I realize, it is too late for Protoss to respond. Any suggestion and help? It all happens before I completed the warp gate, around 5 minutes there.

Trust me, the warp prism strategy won't last long. The Terran will add one viking in his forces next time to snipe the warp prism.

And yes, EMP is imbalance because of smart casting features. Psionic storm become weaker in Sc2 due to smart casting, which I can accept. But what's amazingly, Blizzard actually overlooked EMP. It is either they are retarded not see this or they just Terran biggest fans.

This post has been edited by kding2: Aug 20 2011, 08:03 PM

I may not be a master league, but in my league, all Terran are doing this strat, and guess what I do to counter this? Mass phoenixes with zealots and stalkers. All-In usually occurred around 9mins~10 mins in-game, which is good enough for you to get enough phoenixes and zealots and stalkers.

Phoenixes disabled tank.
Phoenixes snipe Raven (20 damage per shot)
Phoenixes made them waste money to build turret
Phoenixes snipe their SVC when they are constructing something (greatly delay their building)

Now, I need you guys help.

Is FFE essential when I am playing against Zerg? No matter what I do, I got owned by Zerg so hard.

This post has been edited by kding2: Aug 21 2011, 11:36 PM

But what can MC do? Those Terran and Zerg pros probably making fun of him, like " L2P Protoss...LOL"

The worst thing is, Blizzard don't care. In fact, David Kim probably feel extremely happy because the Terran made Raven a viable unit.

Protoss is in a slum. there is nothing we can't do.

When I mean, nothing we can do, I am referring that David Kim being ignorant. He don't care about Protoss. No matter how many QQ we have in Blizzard forum, David Kim just laugh at us, and continue wanking on his Terran.

Interesting. Care to tell me more about this guy?

I wonder, do China Protoss QQ as much as NA/SEA/KR about Protoss being weakling?

I wonder, is there any replays of the China Sc2?

Is everyone here playing at SEA server? Because I only encounter a handful of msian players in SEA server. Where is the rest of Msian players gone?

what is NDL or something?

Good job, Ryperer. Will watch it tonight..Now working.

All Msia Protoss players, especially the GM one, should share your replays with the fellow of Brotoss. Help us, lower Brotoss to improve.

EDIT: Wow, Ryperer, I just watched the match between you and GenMarine..It was fcking intense. Every minute of full-pack actions. What I like about your game is, you actually use a lot of unit composition. By the way, how is your relationship with Gen clan? It seems that both of you didn't talk at all in the game. Not even "gl hf or gg" things. Your micro is superb. How do you do that? Also, GenMarine waste no time to do 1/1/1 against you and you did a great job to fend it away.



This post has been edited by kding2: Sep 13 2011, 01:05 PM