if ppl cannon rush me, 1 pylon is up already and he built 2 cannon at once, how ah ?cant raze both at once...

or even worse, 1 cannon is up already. how ah ?

got no forge..die like 2 probes everytime i cancel his building

Uh whattttt imba?? To counter collo you have Vikings to counter ht you need emp so why worry yo!

So what should Protoss against balls??

Anyways it's only in ptr so let's see how things goes.. I'm a very heavy ht user.. But change is all about adapting
Don't quit!! Stay who me brother!!

have you tried this out? maybe this is a good strat? im not a UPtoss tho

but that just put me into thinking......cuz i will normally just go for FE Speedling opening and consider the timing the 4 gate reach the zerg's base based on the replay, i will have enuf lings and spines to hold that off while waiting for my roach warren to finish.  then im already on 2 base and the toss is still in 1 base.

well exactly, they let me crash into spines and can defend my stalkers in case of flanking speedlings. granted, i could've used sentries more/better, but like i said, im no fan of casters. and naw, ff still have its purpose even with zeals, or vice versa. simply ff'ing behind roach to prevent escape trapping the chargelots with them can be very devastating even to meaty roaches. dont forget, they cost gas, zeals dont. and with stalkers backing em zeals, chances are your zealot casualty would be damn minimum. all that while the ff cuts the hydra off in half.
of course assuming thats a roach hydra comp ur facing. even with lings, since you ff behind the roach, your zeals can always fall back to defend ur stalkers as needed.

and honestly im not sure why you're talking about 15 nexus on and off when im going on about how early constant pressure can be effective (and fun!) without the need to go into mid/late game.

not sure about you, but you can always run by roaches and go straight for the hydras. if the roach goes for ur zeal, ur stalker free reign, if they go for your stalkers, your zealots most likely can take the hydras while in more likely hood that those stalkers can take out the roaches with proper kiting. and i dont know about you, but why "deathball" when my aim is early game anyways? if mid/late game will occur, i transition THEN also wont be a problem so long the pressuring and/or economical dmg is done to the zerg. even more so if you destroyed his expo and camp his ramp while you expand yourself. 2 base toss vs 1 base zerg... the outcome is pretty damn obvious lol

if its non chargelot vs roach, then yeah, i do agree its absolutely horrible. chargelot just makes it a lot more bearable with decent micro (activate ur charge for runby/surrounds lol)

and yes, hydras without creep are also asking for free kills. though, if you've seen my reply anyways i was attacking the zerg's expo full time, and needless to say it was on creep. i still think regardless of creep, roach speed is essential. as i said many times in this thread, had that zerg i fought have speed upgrade, i could've possibly lost. though i will always disagree on the "x must do y, y must do z" ( like "toss must deathball" for example) etc etc for any race regardless. im not a GSL player, nor am i a master league player and i personally dont think i deserve my 1v1 diamond (i dont see why my last season plat would enable me to go into diamond after 1 game that i LOST in season 2 either)

i definitely can play the game the way i like and most importantly, still see success from it. which was the whole point of the replay sharing anyways.
Hell, even nony does his phoenix play that hes famous for, and nony is not your average player. though admittedly phoenix plays are quite hard to execute for most people. point being, that aint no death ball.

yes, the zerg i fought was pretty bad. thats not changing and thats a fact.
however you pointed out:

that was how it went exactly.
4 gate you could start to poke a bit between 6-7min mark, though nowdays i rarely poke alone with stalkers cuz as you said, early gas, speedlings would just chew low stalker count with ease. with 1-2 zealot to soak/kill lings, thats much safer (though as pointed out on TL, lack mobility)

again, what you said isnt incorrect, however you are missing the main point of my posts, which is sc2, being a damn diverse game, have no 100% absolute way to play it. death balls may or may not be the best way to win zergs, however as you know it also, its not the only way. so long you score a victory at the end of the day, anything goes, even a good ole photon cannon cheese. (even in the highest level korean plays where money is involved, you can also see people cheesing. why not on the lower level players?)

i still use sentries to be exact, just very minimal, and from the replay, very late. (after im done on chargelot/weapon upgrade) this is obviously a problem in majority of my PvZ matchups, and even to an extend PvT where guardian shield, MM splitting is essential.

its no surprise no doubt. i still manage to get wins off, stay in plat which im rather happy with. though stupid bnet think its fun to troll me and dump me in diamond so too bad so sad.

team games however, my ally can get them, while i focus on the main physical firepower. it works, and im definitely happy with it lol. and hell, i play most of my ladder in team games, and i think that is no surprise by now either.

Hmm I'm confused. I thought i clicked Protoss discussion thread.

if broadband wise, YES south korea has the most advance internet coverage ever. no country comes to close second. thats the main reason for the exponantial explosion of brood war in 1998.

pls, SEA server is very bad. there are too little player here you need to search for so long to get 1 and the custom game part is literally dead. last itme when i was in SEA, i rmb you can only get opponent in lost temple and steppes of war. no chance to train other maps at all. in NA, there are much more players who are willing to play custom games.

For sure it's not for proxy or cheese. You can see the pattern if you watch the replay. Some more his opponent was Zerg (FXOMoonglade), not Toss or Terran (Nowadays no more BBS, people don't even scout for proxy if their opponent is Terran).

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Added on April 15, 2011, 1:15 pm

Same thing. I see you posting everything about Terran being OP in every thread even though those threads are irrelevant. Maybe some day you'll post about Terran being OP in those thread like "What is the price of SC2 now".

What is the price of SC2 now?

Answer: Don't pay more. Terran is OP nowadays.

umad?

Well if according to "SEA comes next after KR" theory, no human will be able to beat him. KR players are gods not human anyway.

No point always argue that Terran is OP while you're not at that grandmaster level yet... right?