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 Protoss Discussion Thread Ver. 1, [SEASON 2] Tips & Strategies.

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post Oct 21 2010, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Oct 21 2010, 08:28 PM)
forget the sentry...
better to go pure stalkers or zealot stalkers...
i prefer pure stalkers as u can kite a little (much more when u are the offensive ones and force larvae into lings/ spine)
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even with an upgraded lvl 1 weapon of 20 stalkers aint enough to beat a gang of roaches...haiz
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post Oct 21 2010, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(his @ Oct 21 2010, 08:30 PM)
even with an upgraded lvl 1 weapon of 20 stalkers aint enough to beat a gang of roaches...haiz
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get blinks...
but really 2-3 base spamming roaches > stalkers lol...
so maybe u need to transition to VR or something by then...


Added on October 21, 2010, 8:43 pmps: pro toss in GSL losing to roach spam and they are the 'pros'

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post Oct 22 2010, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(tatyinw @ Oct 21 2010, 03:30 PM)
Haha, I suck at simcity. I often just natural disaster it with fire, blizzards and alien invasions. tongue.gif
I am like, "Damn you citizens of simcity making my life miserable. Die a painful death!~"

Maybe that's why my bases now are such a mess that it looks like a maze...
Maybe I should try playing Zerg and roach spam a bit for fun. tongue.gif
Hope I don't get addicted...


Added on October 21, 2010, 3:36 pm

I'll probably camp outside his natural and already have an expansion up. tongue.gif
Warp prism to his mineral line and cause havoc and then send my army up his ramp.
Or Quazaolt's replay, snipe his tanks with colossi and observers.

Scrubie's answer works really well too cause your opponent could be massing up banshees and Phoenix would be awesome.
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haha sorry for such a short reply.. biggrin.gif

Anyways what i meant was if you are rushing you can go pheonix because pheonix has graviton beam, it can disables siege tank and i doubt terrans will go banshees or raven after siege tank because it would be taking out alot of gasses and even if they do go raven their forces wont be big because they are teching so rush the terran before he has his full force..

wow im facing alot of trouble against roaches too haha i feel that sentry stalkers are the safest way but you can split them in to two group with ff would give the favour to you but the problem is you need alot of sentries like 4-5 which takes out alot of gas too sad.gif the extra minerals can be sued for another expo n extract gas but by then u shud go collo n stop relying on your sentries already..
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post Oct 22 2010, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Oct 22 2010, 02:40 AM)
haha sorry for such a short reply.. biggrin.gif

Anyways what i meant was if you are rushing you can go pheonix because pheonix has graviton beam, it can disables siege tank and i  doubt terrans will go banshees or raven after siege tank because it would be taking out alot of gasses and even if they do go raven their forces wont be big because they are teching so rush the terran before he has his full force..

wow im facing alot of trouble against roaches too haha i feel that sentry stalkers are the safest way but you can split them in to two group with ff would give the favour to you but the problem is you need alot of sentries like 4-5 which takes out alot of gas too sad.gif the extra minerals can be sued for another expo n extract gas but by then u shud go collo n stop relying on your sentries already..
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when going all the way with stalkers....theres only 1 thing left in my mind...end his game fast. Cause once i spam stalkers, gasses is enough for stalkers..hardly enough for robotics, although mineral is plentiful enough to build up to 10 gateways, gasses is always the important ones smile.gif
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post Oct 22 2010, 11:17 AM

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I feel like I don't know how to start off my game nowadays especially against Zerg. What do you guys usually plan to do? Despite scouting, knowing your opponent gonna roach rush, is stalkers good enough to fend them off? Coz I find once they start massing roaches, it's pretty hard to keep up with the stalker count.
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the zerg FE? try phoenix harass
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post Oct 22 2010, 11:48 AM

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use VR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

roach/zergling will be incredibly weak agaisnt air : ) ......queen -> get a phoenix then
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post Oct 22 2010, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(xShinji @ Oct 22 2010, 11:48 AM)
use VR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

roach/zergling will be incredibly weak agaisnt air : ) ......queen -> get a phoenix then
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VR TOO NERFED
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post Oct 22 2010, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(ROTiJOHN @ Oct 22 2010, 11:30 AM)
the zerg FE? try phoenix harass
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I doubt I have enough time to pump out enough Phoenixes to counter the roaches in time.


QUOTE(xShinji @ Oct 22 2010, 11:48 AM)
use VR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

roach/zergling will be incredibly weak agaisnt air : ) ......queen -> get a phoenix then
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Hm. I've not tried that out. Maybe it'll work.
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post Oct 22 2010, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Oct 22 2010, 01:40 AM)
haha sorry for such a short reply.. biggrin.gif

Anyways what i meant was if you are rushing you can go pheonix because pheonix has graviton beam, it can disables siege tank and i  doubt terrans will go banshees or raven after siege tank because it would be taking out alot of gasses and even if they do go raven their forces wont be big because they are teching so rush the terran before he has his full force..

wow im facing alot of trouble against roaches too haha i feel that sentry stalkers are the safest way but you can split them in to two group with ff would give the favour to you but the problem is you need alot of sentries like 4-5 which takes out alot of gas too sad.gif the extra minerals can be sued for another expo n extract gas but by then u shud go collo n stop relying on your sentries already..
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Haha yea. I didn't expect a mass banshee either. He turtled up in his base with the tanks and went mass banshees. I thought my mass stalkers could take it down but guess I underestimated the mass amount of banshees. Should have gone phoenix to screw him up. tongue.gif

Yea I hate those roaches too. Luckily stalkers have a longer range so you can still kite them a bit and as long as they are not on creep.
So far gold and platinum tiered people are still falling to a 4 gate rush.
Think it won't work against your league. sad.gif
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post Oct 22 2010, 03:16 PM

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I think roaches with speed upgrade walk faster than stalker off creep, coz whenever I retreat my stalker those roaches are able to chase up and hit. correct me if im wrong.
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post Oct 22 2010, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(MintDarker @ Oct 22 2010, 03:16 PM)
I think roaches with speed upgrade walk faster than stalker off creep, coz whenever I retreat my stalker those roaches are able to chase up and hit. correct me if im wrong.
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they do, but stalker got blink, so stalkers used to wtf own roaches with 3 range. with 4 however. no chance rofl
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QUOTE(MintDarker @ Oct 22 2010, 03:16 PM)
I think roaches with speed upgrade walk faster than stalker off creep, coz whenever I retreat my stalker those roaches are able to chase up and hit. correct me if im wrong.
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Yea. If they get the speed upgrade, we're kinda screwed. cry.gif
Plus burrow its going to be hell...
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post Oct 22 2010, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 22 2010, 03:17 PM)
they do, but stalker got blink, so stalkers used to wtf own roaches with 3 range. with 4 however. no chance rofl
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with that many stalkers the window for toss is kidna small...
GSL even had some zerg spamming 200/200 roach continuously and won sleep.gif"
if u stop ur stalker production, u die... if u dun? u sitll get overrun in the end...
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post Oct 22 2010, 04:55 PM

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hence stalker needs a buff haha
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post Oct 22 2010, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(cupmee2nd @ Oct 22 2010, 04:55 PM)
hence stalker needs a buff haha
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no, just unbuff idiot roaches
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make the range to 3.5 hahahaha
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post Oct 22 2010, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 22 2010, 05:05 PM)
no, just unbuff idiot roaches
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i would love range 3.5 roaches (as the pros predicted pre-patch)...
else roach should be 100/25 compared to its current 75/25 cheapskate price
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post Oct 22 2010, 06:23 PM

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Sangho just showed how to pwn roaches in GSL
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post Oct 22 2010, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(skincladalien @ Oct 22 2010, 06:23 PM)
Sangho just showed how to pwn roaches in GSL
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the 15nexus build as mentioned...
my fav PvZ build since i saw tester did it...


Added on October 22, 2010, 6:46 pmthe 15nexus build by popular demand in the GSL thread

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=159671

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