I mean in his video, he would teach u how to def against it, not to execute it..

In order words how to react when you see such a build.. not how to do a 4 gate rush like this

to handle 4 gate easily (if u scouted)
- zerg: spines
- terran: bunker + repair
- toss: FF

i kinda dislik 4gate that much now due to this...
there are games where u can win with it but its a coin flip hoping its nt scouted or ur opponent tech up...

i kinda prefer the FE builds nw: -
- vs terran: 1-2 gate FE
- vs zerg: forge FE (wit the option to go cannon contain etc)
- vs toss: gate forge FE

if Opp is far = early expo
If Opp is near ....get more unit 1st

this is what I seen from Korean

Any idea to fight agaisnt marine/THor Mix? ....I thought of chargelot and immortal ...but its fail T_T

sentries to GS...
helps a lot...
immortals + any comp of gateway units...

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Added on October 21, 2010, 12:47 amPvZ its over...
toss been eliminated by zergs so much

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Oct 21 2010, 12:47 AM

Due to roaches?
It is kinda hard to handle at the moment...

Im not too sure abt whether its over or not but i think i get the hang of it in eliminating zergs...

yup...
roaches are killing toss in GSL it is sad =(

well try to the 15nexus build (even tester is seen doing it now) for PvZ...
jz be prepare to def ur ass off...
known when to stop probe production and use the chrono from both nexus well between probes and ur army...

Argh... =(
Wow. I only know how to go the 1-2 Gate FE.
The Gate Forge FE is still a mess. Not sure where to place the forge properly.
15 nexus is going to be hell to defend...
What's that like? 1 Gate FE? Or the forge FE?

This post has been edited by tatyinw: Oct 21 2010, 12:43 PM

Ou well...i already made up a counter for roach build....2gate -> 5 zealot force roach den stargate =VR...
however....the problem is VR ==" ....if Opp get alot quuen den zzzz.....VR hardly able to kill QUEEN when queen on creep ......
VR IS OVERNERFDED T_T .....even thou it just bcome my most favourite unit in toss

work sometime .....but fail hardly if opp choose to go for zergling/baneling play

Note: VR play will fail hardly in LT due to the terrain ....Queen can easily move up and down the base

guys when do you think i should go stargate instead of robo and how to decide if i should tech to colo or HT .

depends on wut u scouted...
u can either go 15nexus or 15forge -> 15nexus...
its a simcity and u gotta make ur chrono really well =p

@shinji
VR is horrible in 1v1 nw on its own...
sigh i missed self charging my VR on my pylon then shoot my own units to keep the charge up...
nt even bothered wit VR now unless u can get some stalkers to cover it vs marine (inca game3 is win)...

@ choyster
which matchup?
generally i prefer colossus -> HTs transition (ie colossus b4 HTs)

roach is so retarded man, when i random zerg i just spam that shit and almost all the time auto win :/

as a protoss, i just focus on anti roach shit and that usually guarantee my win unless zerg is good at FE/techswitches to counter my counter then i still gg anyways oTL

b4 nerfed it work well : ) .....but opp do less roach .....only if I scouted roach will do .... used it as pressurize tool while macroing up a big land army.....a timing push --> the end~

hey guys, what army would u build if against terran and they hv a siege tank and a few marines at the choke of the ramp in the early 5 mins of the game ?

pheonix are your answers

Haha, I suck at simcity. I often just natural disaster it with fire, blizzards and alien invasions.
I am like, "Damn you citizens of simcity making my life miserable. Die a painful death!~"

Maybe that's why my bases now are such a mess that it looks like a maze...

Maybe I should try playing Zerg and roach spam a bit for fun.
Hope I don't get addicted...

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Added on October 21, 2010, 3:36 pmI'll probably camp outside his natural and already have an expansion up.
Warp prism to his mineral line and cause havoc and then send my army up his ramp.
Or Quazaolt's replay, snipe his tanks with colossi and observers.

Scrubie's answer works really well too cause your opponent could be massing up banshees and Phoenix would be awesome.

This post has been edited by tatyinw: Oct 21 2010, 03:36 PM

ok...today i had a great play, straight win for 5 games but 6th game ended miserably cause opponent chosen random and he got a zerg.

hw would i start off if my opponent is random and gets a zerg in a big map like metalopolis ?

Usually, i would spam stalkers in front of its 2nd base and tht would call of the day

it is addictive lol just like beta

nothing wrong wit stalker opening as it usually fairly safe if u micro the stalkers...

when playing vs random, scout after ur first pylon and sim city ur ramp (wall off when u see 6pool)...

i scouted after the 9pylon but due to the map is big not huge, i go with my senses tht either my opp is behind me or opposite me, and usually i build pylon near to my main as its easier to avoid being attack during the mid game...

what r the chances of winning of stalker + sentry vs roaches cause i thought abt the guardian shield as it may give me a slight cut on the damage dealt

forget the sentry...
better to go pure stalkers or zealot stalkers...
i prefer pure stalkers as u can kite a little (much more when u are the offensive ones and force larvae into lings/ spine)