Protoss Discussion Thread Ver. 1, [SEASON 2] Tips & Strategies.
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 Aug 18 2011, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(Koroster @ Aug 18 2011, 06:36 PM) From above we can conclude that : lol koros trolling kaiz...Imbalosus A move me 12912 times daily Main army consist of A-Moving roach hydras a lil corrupters  +1 |
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Aug 19 2011, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Aug 19 2011, 12:10 PM) Most build this with 1 rack and supply below ramp. Full seal off..hence u unable to get up the ramp unless the supply is down. 1. u cant do this anymore (map changes)... so u dun need to worry bout thisRally rines on the ramp same time build 3 more racks... once get about 15 rines..all in..with SCV IMBA!!!!!!!!  2. if he wall btm of ramp, even better as ur stalker can outrange the marine and break the depot etc and keep kiting basically u jz need to kite his marines's scv all the way to ur base... utilize ur faster stalkers with a bigger range to their full potential... might be really micro intensive (thus dropping macro at times) but practice this... if u see scvs? jz get sentries and FF the ramp... |
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Aug 20 2011, 12:32 AM
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MC: "EMP is sooo IMBA!!!"
^ what MC do? warp prism ht drop in battle... MC vs Select game3 = must watch |
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Aug 20 2011, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Aug 20 2011, 09:03 AM) u wrong~ should b like this MC said himself in the interview after the game that EMP is imba lol...protoss around the world: "EMP SO FREAKING IMBA~!@!!!! QQBBQWTF" MC: let the president show u the way~ select : QQWTFBBQ he said tat he copied oGs(now liquid)hero's warp prism play... obamatoss FTW |
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Aug 20 2011, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Aug 20 2011, 03:04 PM) umm....that game on terminus really show how imba is terran.....mc killed so many harvester and is up on harvester for so long, but terran's MM seemed just enuf and at the point of MC's tech switch to HT, much bigger than protoss.......when terran had like 40 scv to 60 probes... actually i feel like mc overcommited on that attack...if it wasnt the warp prisms play and select had normal ghost EMP control, MC might just lose.. one thing u gotta knw vs terrans are mules... as a toss i nvr find it worthwhile to trade army for scvs due to mules... and select was kinda ahead on upgrades after some time... when mc lost the lead i was like ok mc is gonna be so dead since good EMP usage (korean lvl terrans) can wreck the protoss ball... then again, mc upgrade himself (in his own words) and went that sick sick warp prism play (scbw shuttle storm drop any1?)... i find tat mc really shine in the late game compared to many other a-moving toss... hongun have really good early-mid game which mc seemed to be still lacking... both mc and hongun are by far 2 of my fav toss and if they merge as archon, we will get bisu for sc2 laawl btw watch puma vs mana as well... mana played really well and shut down puma's style totally... i was really happy when tat happen cause i hated puma for what he did to TSL and nt practicing in KR lol... |
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Aug 20 2011, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Aug 20 2011, 04:14 PM) I find Liquid's Hero style is great too, you might wanna check his stream when you got the time, his defense are crazy, able to hold a push with zerglings in 3 of his mineral lines. :S i do watch his stream and he plays horrible lol...so many mismicro and bad decision making... i was expecting him to be better... QUOTE(kding2 @ Aug 20 2011, 08:03 PM) Trust me, the warp prism strategy won't last long. The Terran will add one viking in his forces next time to snipe the warp prism. no way it would last long...And yes, EMP is imbalance because of smart casting features. Psionic storm become weaker in Sc2 due to smart casting, which I can accept. But what's amazingly, Blizzard actually overlooked EMP. It is either they are retarded not see this or they just Terran biggest fans. even blizzard mentioned tat warp prism is a bad unit which they will look into for hots... basically warp prism are too soft and in that game, select realize it and snipe off the warp prism during the subsequent engagements... that is why the commentators cant find the warp prism anymore lol... |
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Aug 21 2011, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Aug 21 2011, 10:55 AM) they nerfed emp...it was way more imbalance than this... used to be all energy gone LOL... |
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Aug 22 2011, 12:22 AM
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QUOTE(axn992 @ Aug 21 2011, 11:28 PM) how to stop marine tank banshee raven all in? hmmm i would always suggest getting a quicker expo...the moment u scout terran gonna tech? drop a nexus, get up to 3 gate + robo... from there u have 2 nexus rite? 1 nexus on full time colossus chrono, another on the lance chrono... by then u can gete 2 lanced colossus when the push hit... what u need to do now is to engage his army as he move on the map... the goal is to burn his scvs... once u burn enuff scvs, u can hold tat push with ease... staying on 1 base wont help cause u will have enuff chrono on ur colosus... besides the moment they reach to the bottom of ur ramp (high chance since u cant move out), u are pretty much contained for good... and if they do the 2 base variant of the marine banshee raven tank all-in, u are so far behind regardless u hold it or not (see mvp, he like this build a lot)... QUOTE(kding2 @ Aug 21 2011, 11:35 PM) I may not be a master league, but in my league, all Terran are doing this strat, and guess what I do to counter this? Mass phoenixes with zealots and stalkers. All-In usually occurred around 9mins~10 mins in-game, which is good enough for you to get enough phoenixes and zealots and stalkers. no it is not a must...Phoenixes disabled tank. Phoenixes snipe Raven (20 damage per shot) Phoenixes made them waste money to build turret Phoenixes snipe their SVC when they are constructing something (greatly delay their building) Now, I need you guys help. Is FFE essential when I am playing against Zerg? No matter what I do, I got owned by Zerg so hard. i dun like forge FE unless on maps like shakuras as u cant pressure the zerg that much which allow them to get a quick 3rd and drone like mad (nestea/losira build)... u can do the 2 gate FE (see combatex's vid), 1gate stargate FE (see mana in IEM) etc... y 2 base is good vs zerg is due to the amount of gas for u to tech into whatever u want vs zerg... |
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Aug 22 2011, 01:57 AM
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Aug 22 2011, 01:54 AM) im playing protoss now and from what i learnt.........if i scout marine tank banshee all in wif my 1st zealot stalker poke, i 1 gate 1 core FE into 1 robo then 2 gate. this is by far the str8test counter i found BUTTTTTT if its not MBRT, you will die right away lol, 1 gate for so long, a simple 2 rax aggression or ghost rush will kill you right away. this logic doesnt apply anymore...wif 1 gate then FE then robo then gateway, you will have sufficient army to swallow the terran army...coll based or immortal pheonix, depends.. game1 MC vs Puma... if ur MBRT allin fails? allin again and u win the game!!! game2 showed why warp prism are useless vs a competent terran LOL game3 puma decision making won him the game... overall series conclusion: 1-1-1 to number1!!! |
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Aug 22 2011, 02:09 AM
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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Aug 22 2011, 02:08 AM) i think protoss is in a mid life crisis now, vs terran marine tank raven banshee scv all in mc did the 1 gate FE in game 1 but still lost to the 2nd allin LOL...vs zerg, mass zerglings infestors - completely change your conventional game vs zerg (tech to HT instead of colossus) best counter to MBRT is still the huk 20 supplies 1 gate FE (by far the best, but not always a successful counter) but there is no specific strategy and build order to counter mass zerglings infestors which is make known in the starcraft2 community... the point is, some maps are jz too short like xnc which make it almsot impossible to hold it... Added on August 22, 2011, 2:22 ammilkis is translating from playxp etc... http://twitter.com/#!/OrangeMilkis @OrangeMilkis Wooju Lee "So MC made all that theorycraft happen in reality... but it still was nothing compared to 1/1/1...." @OrangeMilkis Wooju Lee MakaPrime posted "Is 1/1/1 strong? Whenever other people use it they win but whenever I use it I lose T___T" ^ i am still a big big maka fan =p This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 22 2011, 02:22 AM |
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Aug 22 2011, 02:29 AM
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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Aug 22 2011, 02:25 AM) yea i saw tonnes of bunkers built in the face of mc in a gsl marine tank banshee game just to contain him, for the 1st time in my life i see mc so helpless and lost the game even he hallucinated many immortals just to absorbs the tanks dmg and charged lots to close in the distance and make the tank spalsh themselves, but still lost the game i hold it with 3 gate robo (after i expanded)...and i see blue flame helions and tanks strat..just sacrifice helions the whole time in the game just to fry your probes hinder your economy while slowly build up tank to contain u, i mean hellions are cheap, sacrifice a brunch of them doesnt mean anything as terran always have a large influx of minerals (thx to mules) this is the game goody vs mana http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss8vNoa3Pzg mana knew what is coming in game 2, but still lost to the same strat with a little variation ok now, i have hard time countering early 1/2 thor all in with marines and scvs, i know this strat is old, but hell i still cant counter this, any suggestion? get immortal early and chrono it out? it was kinda close and the map was TA so i got time to prepare for it... this was last season though btw... 2-3 immortal, zeal sentry based army and jz FF the crap out of everything... i knw thor break FF but u can isolate marines/ scvs and force the thor to move more... i think mc tried every possible thing he could vs 1-1-1 already lol... korean netizens are raging hard atm at how unbalanced this is... This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 22 2011, 02:30 AM |
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Aug 22 2011, 02:47 AM
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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Aug 22 2011, 02:40 AM) i wouldnt know it is a thor push untill the thor is walking out his ramp, i can only scout it with my probe/unit in the watch tower, i would think it is 1/1/1 with my stalkers and zealot poking his front. i went 3 gate FE dropping my expo and robo at the same time...so are u suggesting me getting immortal no matter what just to prepare? i couldnt defend it if i FE becuz the thor reaches so early that my expo was not last long for even 1 min before taken down by the terran (i was doing 20 FE) reason why i can scout it easier is that 3 gate robo can pressure his ramp long enuff for him to show his tech... i think when u go 20nexus FE, ur robo is delayed much longer... usually my obs will be able to see what is inside and get my immortals out in time... Added on August 22, 2011, 3:04 amlol apparently IMMvp admitted it was imba (and so he got the nickname "Conscience Terran" for having a conscience) in KR This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 22 2011, 03:04 AM |
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Aug 22 2011, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(axn992 @ Aug 22 2011, 04:05 PM) that IF u manage to scout him, most terrans do all in, usually they very fast wall off the ramp to prevent ur prob entering, If on a 4 player map, if u scout the wrong position, and scouted him late, very hard to know wat is he planning to do, if i drop fast nexus, he can just 3 rax push and seal the game, very hard to predict this all in. big maps = slower for u to scout him and slower for his 3rax push to reach u...jz pull some probes with ur army and FF can hold it on big maps... which is why on TA, 1 gate FE is so popular... |
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Aug 22 2011, 07:33 PM
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=257589
very good analysis on the OPness of 1/1/1 by gisado those tat said go stargate, go blink, go 1 base colo etc... those doesnt work... mc vs puma 3rd game was one of the best strategy mc came out with to counter it and it still failed... This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 22 2011, 07:34 PM |
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Aug 22 2011, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Aug 22 2011, 07:35 PM) You guys should really watch the whole game in live, you can see how frustrated MC is when he see 1/1/1, it's so hard to be defended. i watched it live...i was so frustrated after game 1... tat was soooo painful to watch i can see it in mc's face when the retarded 3min PDD make him loose like 5-6 stalkers without dealing a single damage... |
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Aug 22 2011, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Aug 22 2011, 07:38 PM) Same here, even scolded my friend who make joke with me in game, i can feel the heat. game 2 i felt mc shoulda loose for trying the warp prism trick again...we all know tat good terrans (no offense to select) would be able to snipe down warp paper(prism) with relative ease LOL... MC went got warp speed instead of colo lance which well make it impossible to win vs a terran who knw to EMP and snipe warp prism... game 3 MC made such a wonderful strategy i jz marveled at it... tat's y u see all koreans were raging so hard... MC did everything which a sc1bw bonjwa would have done and won... and yet everything become so powerless... MC been using every possible theorycraft on beating 1-1-1 and even made his own one for game 3 to jz fail over n over again... |
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Aug 23 2011, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE(kding2 @ Aug 23 2011, 08:05 PM) When I mean, nothing we can do, I am referring that David Kim being ignorant. He don't care about Protoss. No matter how many QQ we have in Blizzard forum, David Kim just laugh at us, and continue wanking on his Terran. we can go 3 gate stargate all-in...game 1 genius lost to 1-1-1 allin... game2 and 3? genius jz 3 gate stargate and superior VR micro lawl |
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Aug 24 2011, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(axn992 @ Aug 24 2011, 11:30 AM) tank, thor too expensive for terran, i dun think it is maphack...btw, wanna ask, anyone encounter map hackers in SEA server? u hide ur dark shrine very far at the side of the map, zerg din scout, but when u build dark shrine he straight build spore. lol basically from my experience, zergs have develop the evo chamber/ spore timing to counter DT/ stargate play... especially since u said he build isntantly, he can delay it will ur DT shrine is up without sacing eco... good zergs always count ur sentries/ check ur total gas mined (i knw cause koros knw my delayed DT timings from counting my sentries)... |
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Aug 25 2011, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(Azurues @ Aug 25 2011, 11:13 AM) EG.Huk and MVP.Genius the only survivor in GSL code S ro8 no offense but huk plays horrible in those games...Just watch Huk play if u want to improve. I can only say watch the best if u want to be the best. Despite his very much infamous team changing, totally understandable for financial POV it was more from nada's lakclustre TvP which HuK won (nada jz a-move into FFs, bitbybit etc)... HuK made so many mistake that it is so painful to watch (TLers would agree)... even genius's games were soso cause he decided to 3 gate star all-in after losing to 1-1-1 in game 1... |
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Aug 25 2011, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(Azurues @ Aug 25 2011, 05:11 PM) Huk ran here and there for tournament and he only came back 1 day before ro16. That's quite an achievement there. Next he go to MLG Raleigh already and then return for ro8. What a stressful life as a progamer. well nada's TvP record is horrible so i wouldn't say so...Genius i didn't watch so no comment but overall i am happy there is no 8 terrans in the ro8 those games were horrible from both side especially the bad engagements from nada... genius's game 1 was decent... game2 and 3 if u wanna learn hw to do the genius 3gate stargate (for those didnt knw this, he was the reason blizz nerf VR cause he was owning terrans like mad wit it) |
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