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 Protoss Discussion Thread Ver. 1, [SEASON 2] Tips & Strategies.

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post Aug 16 2010, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(XenoFr3ak @ Aug 13 2010, 07:45 PM)
Have u guys seen a mothership rush between pro players vs pro players on Steppes of War ?

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8895107
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Wah.. mothership power! Must try tonite... hahaha tongue.gif
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post Aug 16 2010, 04:05 PM

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he is so gooooooooodddddddd ~
da mothership strat was executed perfectly...
+ sentry prism block and pylon to warp...
not to say cannons sumore laugh.gif

perfect gameplay ~ totally pwn ~ lolz...
and i didn't knw of the "different animation" when building mothership...lolz

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post Aug 17 2010, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 14 2010, 05:41 PM)
how to counter zerg mutalisk? so hard sometimes they own my probe sad.gif so as banshee. Then just now fought a terran who build a barracks in the beginning... marine few come then die >< let me know some tips
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post Aug 17 2010, 11:18 PM

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can someone share with me what strategy you used when battling with terran...??? i find it difficult to win against terran.... always loss with the m&m.... terran are too unpredictable... reapers, banshee, m&m, siege tank, miedivacs... which one should i focus for??

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post Aug 18 2010, 12:06 AM

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As far as I can say... don't play defensive against Terrans. Scout early and see what they're going for. Most Terrans would be blocking their entrance early on. So, quickly pump Stalkers quickly so that you can harass their blockade. Even if you can't do much, irritate them as much would be good too.

Although Stalkers are fairly weak against Marauders and Marines, they're better off with a couple of Sentries backing you up. If you notice the Terran player has no early detectors, tech up quickly to DTs to harass them off. Just send multiple DTs in every direction so much so that it renders their scan useless, more or less. Otherwise, try to finish up a Terran quickly, if BCs come to play, it'll be a real pain to deal with.
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post Aug 18 2010, 01:00 AM

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thanks for the reply...

i think i need to practice using sentries.... i loss all game with terran because of the m&m... lol plat guys know already the DT trick.... they put detector (i mean the patriot missile...) all over their base - its cheap.. and i can even go into their base using observer.... and one attack using m&m, im screwed....

harras their blockade using stalkers early on.... i think this one i can try...

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post Aug 18 2010, 03:00 AM

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QUOTE(incx @ Aug 18 2010, 12:06 AM)
As far as I can say... don't play defensive against Terrans. Scout early and see what they're going for. Most Terrans would be blocking their entrance early on. So, quickly pump Stalkers quickly so that you can harass their blockade. Even if you can't do much, irritate them as much would be good too.

Although Stalkers are fairly weak against Marauders and Marines, they're better off with a couple of Sentries backing you up. If you notice the Terran player has no early detectors, tech up quickly to DTs to harass them off. Just send multiple DTs in every direction so much so that it renders their scan useless, more or less. Otherwise, try to finish up a Terran quickly, if BCs come to play, it'll be a real pain to deal with.
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blink stalkers > BCs especially if u focus fire...
in multiplayer games (2v2 etc) its my staple build as they are cheap and efficient (of course some level of micro is required)

QUOTE(zariel @ Aug 18 2010, 01:00 AM)
thanks for the reply...

i think i need to practice using sentries.... i loss all game with terran because of the m&m... lol plat guys know already the DT trick.... they put detector (i mean the patriot missile...) all over their base - its cheap.. and i can even go into their base using observer.... and one attack using m&m, im screwed....

harras their blockade using stalkers early on.... i think this one i can try...
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u can beat MMM with 4 gate, 3 gate robo and quite a number of builds...
positioning is really the key as a badly position army would get u rolled by steamed MMM...

here are some of my builds...

4 gate
- get u the early army to survive and if there's an opening a winning push
- possible transition to DTs for some early harass given the right information of ur opponent
- allows easy transition into chargelots and/ or HTs which is a pretty decent answer to MMM

3 gate + robo
- decent army size from 3 gate with scouting information from ur observer (control ur observers well and u can sneak in for some information even when he turret his base)
- 1 or 2 immortals which deals insane damage to marauders and decent tank
- both of the above allows u to do some timely push against the terran (take some game sense though) in breaking their ramps etc
- transition into collosus which burns MMs if u are able to protect the collosus (sentries FF, stalker meatshield etc)
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post Aug 18 2010, 03:31 AM

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post Aug 18 2010, 07:17 AM

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QUOTE(incx @ Aug 18 2010, 12:06 AM)
As far as I can say... don't play defensive against Terrans. Scout early and see what they're going for. Most Terrans would be blocking their entrance early on. So, quickly pump Stalkers quickly so that you can harass their blockade. Even if you can't do much, irritate them as much would be good too.

Although Stalkers are fairly weak against Marauders and Marines, they're better off with a couple of Sentries backing you up. If you notice the Terran player has no early detectors, tech up quickly to DTs to harass them off. Just send multiple DTs in every direction so much so that it renders their scan useless, more or less. Otherwise, try to finish up a Terran quickly, if BCs come to play, it'll be a real pain to deal with.
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orbital scans are fairly early enough, and if they manage to scout dt outta you, turrets will be up lol

stalkers own bc, so i wouldnt be too worried if they do come (hell, why you let terran get bc? lol)
its mech play that im more worried lol

sure, immortal is an answer to it, but even siege tanks CAN rape them, and immortals arent cheap and takes so long to build even with chrono


Added on August 18, 2010, 7:29 am
anyways uploaded moar replays lol:
lol cannons from fasteagle

gg hatch/lair

lol just spam moar stalkers

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post Aug 18 2010, 10:28 AM

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Adoi. Have been on a losing streak past few days. Demoralized already. sleep.gif
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QUOTE(incx @ Aug 18 2010, 10:28 AM)
Adoi. Have been on a losing streak past few days. Demoralized already. sleep.gif
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tolong first post kan lol
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post Aug 18 2010, 10:37 AM

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Told you demoralized. No mood. ph34r.gif

Added.

By the way, added a vid on the front page on countering M&Ms.

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post Aug 18 2010, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(incx @ Aug 18 2010, 10:37 AM)
Told you demoralized. No mood. ph34r.gif

Added.

By the way, added a vid on the front page on countering M&Ms.
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gotta learn it fast.... this m&m really annoying....

can turret attack our collosus???

i always used stallker at max..... maybe thats the problem.... thanks evofantasy...

dont have problem with bc actually... cause usually, i upgrade my forge and play stallker to the max.... lol....
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QUOTE(incx @ Aug 18 2010, 10:37 AM)
Told you demoralized. No mood. ph34r.gif

Added.

By the way, added a vid on the front page on countering M&Ms.
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thanks, will take a look biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(zariel @ Aug 18 2010, 10:57 AM)
gotta learn it fast.... this m&m really annoying....

can turret attack our collosus???

i always used stallker at max..... maybe thats the problem.... thanks evofantasy...

dont have problem with bc actually... cause usually, i upgrade my forge and play stallker to the max.... lol....
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yes colossus is counted as a air unit as well
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today i play 2vs2 medium AI.

end up 2P vs 2Z la. fine, i rush attack the 1st Z, holding off the support of 2nd Z and held ground well.

after so much combat, i see my partner doing housing development project. aihhhhhh............

ok fine. i mass up my forces and keep pressing the other Z. until the end, the fella so far i think kena attack once only by AI, that also i took the opportunity to rush into AI base.

in the end i do all the work.

i whacked 127 units, he whacked only 23. (mostly zerglings i think)
i whacked every single structure of 2 bases (32 in all) while he whacked none.

nice, i see the fella got colossus some more. aihhhh.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 18 2010, 03:06 PM)
today i play 2vs2 medium AI.

end up 2P vs 2Z la. fine, i rush attack the 1st Z, holding off the support of 2nd Z and held ground well.

after so much combat, i see my partner doing housing development project. aihhhhhh............

ok fine. i mass up my forces and keep pressing the other Z. until the end, the fella so far i think kena attack once only by AI, that also i took the opportunity to rush into AI base.

in the end i do all the work.

i whacked 127 units, he whacked only 23. (mostly zerglings i think)
i whacked every single structure of 2 bases (32 in all) while he whacked none.

nice, i see the fella got colossus some more. aihhhh.
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post Aug 18 2010, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 18 2010, 03:06 PM)
today i play 2vs2 medium AI.

end up 2P vs 2Z la. fine, i rush attack the 1st Z, holding off the support of 2nd Z and held ground well.

after so much combat, i see my partner doing housing development project. aihhhhhh............

ok fine. i mass up my forces and keep pressing the other Z. until the end, the fella so far i think kena attack once only by AI, that also i took the opportunity to rush into AI base.

in the end i do all the work.

i whacked 127 units, he whacked only 23. (mostly zerglings i think)
i whacked every single structure of 2 bases (32 in all) while he whacked none.

nice, i see the fella got colossus some more. aihhhh.
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maybe he usually play fps and camping all the time... lol...

i still cant beat those m&m.... 2 colossus or 3 colossus are enough?? i want to finish him off quickly.... i loss all last 8 battle against terran including custom match... against gold player some more.... pity to me.... luckily there are many protoss and zerg player compare to terran...


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lol i think i just practicing with the ai m&m.... thanks anyway....

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QUOTE(zariel @ Aug 18 2010, 06:23 PM)
maybe he usually play fps and camping all the time... lol...

i still cant beat those m&m.... 2 colossus or 3 colossus are enough?? i want to finish him off quickly.... i loss all last 8 battle against terran including custom match... against gold player some more....  pity to me.... luckily there are many protoss and zerg player compare to terran...
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post Aug 18 2010, 06:56 PM

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Guys what are your tactics for toss so far?

Mine would be rushing for VR's then got 2 then straight go charge.

So far its not been doing well for me already, if going againsts terran sure lose coz got marines, if go againsts toss they got their anti-air.

So whats another good strat for an early/mid game?

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