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 Protoss Discussion Thread Ver. 1, [SEASON 2] Tips & Strategies.

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post Aug 13 2010, 03:16 PM

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Keep losing to zerg everytime and terran...
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post Aug 13 2010, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(ericpires @ Aug 13 2010, 03:16 PM)
Keep losing to zerg everytime and terran...
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wut's ur problem wit zerg?
maybe we can help u out...

my plan is always 3 gate robo for zerg with occasional phoenix builds...
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post Aug 13 2010, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 13 2010, 03:40 PM)
wut's ur problem wit zerg?
maybe we can help u out...

my plan is always 3 gate robo for zerg with occasional phoenix builds...
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i won't even reach robo bay coz even though my 2 gate can block the zerglings... he will come from the other side... with roaches... then GG
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post Aug 13 2010, 03:48 PM

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Today i saw Huk did an unexpected strat, He got around 5 Void Rays (i think), the opponent with 10 mauraders, 3 medivac and 5 vikings, all coming to Huk gold expansion, and what Huk did was, he uses his Void Rays to destroy his own Nexus at the gold to full charged up his Void Rays and then kill all his opponent units.

Now i know why Huk is #1 currently in the whole US region. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 13 2010, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(XenoFr3ak @ Aug 13 2010, 03:48 PM)
Today i saw Huk did an unexpected strat, He got around 5 Void Rays (i think), the opponent with 10 mauraders, 3 medivac and 5 vikings, all coming to Huk gold expansion, and what Huk did was, he uses his Void Rays to destroy his own Nexus at the gold to full charged up his Void Rays and then kill all his opponent units.

Now i know why Huk is #1 currently in the whole US region. biggrin.gif
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need to destroy or not? lol

5 shouldnt obliterate a nexus after charge, unless he needed to shoot longer to maintain it when the enemy is coming. but yeah, that shows how determined he is to take down his enemies: sacrifice his 400min nexus at a gold expansion (Y) (msn ver still beats lyn ver, srsly)
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post Aug 13 2010, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 13 2010, 04:16 PM)
need to destroy or not? lol

5 shouldnt obliterate a nexus after charge, unless he needed to shoot longer to maintain it when the enemy is coming. but yeah, that shows how determined he is to take down his enemies: sacrifice his 400min nexus at a gold expansion (Y) (msn ver still beats lyn ver, srsly)
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Yea, he did see the enemy coming thats why he need to charge up his 5 void rays (or more).
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post Aug 13 2010, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(XenoFr3ak @ Aug 13 2010, 04:19 PM)
Yea, he did see the enemy coming thats why he need to charge up his 5 void rays (or more).
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got casted replay on that? sounds very interesting
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post Aug 13 2010, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(XenoFr3ak @ Aug 13 2010, 03:48 PM)
Today i saw Huk did an unexpected strat, He got around 5 Void Rays (i think), the opponent with 10 mauraders, 3 medivac and 5 vikings, all coming to Huk gold expansion, and what Huk did was, he uses his Void Rays to destroy his own Nexus at the gold to full charged up his Void Rays and then kill all his opponent units.

Now i know why Huk is #1 currently in the whole US region. biggrin.gif
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link link?? brows.gif
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post Aug 13 2010, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(ericpires @ Aug 13 2010, 03:45 PM)
i won't even reach robo bay coz even though my 2 gate can block the zerglings... he will come from the other side... with roaches... then GG
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i presume its blistering sands?
if he open with a zergling rush, i think u can safely assume that his roach would be slightly delayed...
with that, throw down a forge and get 1-2 cannons over there...
cannons work wonders against roaches due to their low range...

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 13 2010, 04:20 PM)
got casted replay on that? sounds very interesting
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this play is actually very well known of HuK (u often hear TL people talking bout it)...
he would transition from gateway into 2 stargate with the speed upgrade vs terran...
for defense, he'll charge up his VRs on his own units and for offense he'll do the same with some micro to keep it charged up to his opponent's base...

he did state that getting ur VRs count to 6 with some micro is pretty deadly including burning thors down in less than 3 seconds LOL...
this is contrast to hasu's carrier late game...
both works actually but VRs are cheaper to mass up...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 13 2010, 04:52 PM
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post Aug 13 2010, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 13 2010, 04:51 PM)
i presume its blistering sands?
if he open with a zergling rush, i think u can safely assume that his roach would be slightly delayed...
with that, throw down a forge and get 1-2 cannons over there...
cannons work wonders against roaches due to their low range...
this play is actually very well known of HuK (u often hear TL people talking bout it)...
he would transition from gateway into 2 stargate with the speed upgrade vs terran...
for defense, he'll charge up his VRs on his own units and for offense he'll do the same with some micro to keep it charged up to his opponent's base...

he did state that getting ur VRs count to 6 with some micro is pretty deadly including burning thors down in less than 3 seconds LOL...
this is contrast to hasu's carrier late game...
both works actually but VRs are cheaper to mass up...
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never browse TL so i didnt see lol. maybe ive came across youtube or something, but honestly cant remember the one xenofreak mentioned
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post Aug 13 2010, 05:15 PM

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Here are some of my tips biggrin.gif My 2 cents.

1) Watch Day9 TV. So many protoss tips, there's a whiteRA series there which go into build order for protoss against each race.
2) Prepare a general plan for each race match ups (e.g. PvP, I will gate-core, stalker pressure then 4 gate push.. PvZ, 2 gate zealot pressure, into 3 gate robo or 4gate HT.. PvT gate-core and fast 4 gate push)
3) I know all these strategies are not perfect against each race. This is where you KEEP DOING and Perfecting the build orders and watch your replays to explore the timing window (when is good time to push or pull back and how to respond)
4) Find out what counters your build then find out what counters those.
5) Most importantly, I keep a list of reminders next to my screen with things I need to remember (e.g. Supply!! Probe Count!! Macro (never let mineral go higher than 300-400))
6) PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. get people who are better than you to practice your builds so that you can learn from losing.

"Losing is winning, because through it you learn where you go wrong and improve." & "Winning doesn't mean you are good, there's ALWAYS room for improvement."
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post Aug 13 2010, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(aLertz @ Aug 13 2010, 04:24 PM)
link link?? brows.gif
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It happen a few hours ago during the Gosucoaching Weekly Finals #8

I will post the youtube video if got any.
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post Aug 13 2010, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(XenoFr3ak @ Aug 13 2010, 03:48 PM)
Today i saw Huk did an unexpected strat, He got around 5 Void Rays (i think), the opponent with 10 mauraders, 3 medivac and 5 vikings, all coming to Huk gold expansion, and what Huk did was, he uses his Void Rays to destroy his own Nexus at the gold to full charged up his Void Rays and then kill all his opponent units.

Now i know why Huk is #1 currently in the whole US region. biggrin.gif
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OMFG, that's genius! Never thought of that
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post Aug 13 2010, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(Mio4Ever @ Aug 13 2010, 06:45 PM)
OMFG, that's genius! Never thought of that
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Later u see the video, u will be as shock as his opponent as well.
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QUOTE(Mio4Ever @ Aug 13 2010, 06:45 PM)
OMFG, that's genius! Never thought of that
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umm whitera did a lot of that too

even i pulled off a couple of it (rofl scrap station)
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post Aug 13 2010, 07:45 PM

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Have u guys seen a mothership rush between pro players vs pro players on Steppes of War ?

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8895107

This post has been edited by XenoFr3ak: Aug 13 2010, 07:53 PM
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post Aug 14 2010, 05:41 PM

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how to counter zerg mutalisk? so hard sometimes they own my probe sad.gif so as banshee. Then just now fought a terran who build a barracks in the beginning... marine few come then die >< let me know some tips
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QUOTE(XenoFr3ak @ Aug 13 2010, 07:45 PM)
Have u guys seen a mothership rush between pro players vs pro players on Steppes of War ?

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8895107
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saw this lol. wat a baller.

@zerg mutalisk? stalkers, psionic storms, maybe carriers? so much of theory-crafting but at the end of the day, its your management.

learn to control the game flow, always ahead of enemy, manage your economy and troops healthy, pull some kites. etc etc
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post Aug 14 2010, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 14 2010, 05:41 PM)
how to counter zerg mutalisk? so hard sometimes they own my probe sad.gif so as banshee. Then just now fought a terran who build a barracks in the beginning... marine few come then die >< let me know some tips
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pheonix works... and scout moar... build some cannons around the mineral line works too
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post Aug 16 2010, 05:48 AM

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QUOTE(xiaosin @ Aug 14 2010, 06:01 PM)
pheonix works... and scout moar... build some cannons around the mineral line works too
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or pylons, and warp stalkers in

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