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Investment KINRARA RESIDENCE [OWNERS' THREAD], Lifestyle landed homes from Mah Sing

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post Aug 21 2011, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(jet2020 @ Aug 21 2011, 11:56 AM)
bro, tap your brain a bit by giving you a separate case C which is different permutation from case A

C : income 25k buy 7 units of 300K condo for investment, total instalment at 10K (30yrs)

Compared A vs C, which strategy is better?
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We used to apply "Investment portfolio Diversification" in stock mkt , but in property investment, I always believe this "Golden Rule" can be challenged.
Put all the apples in one basket is not always wrong

To answer your question needs further in depth analysis..
Let's put location (prime), project concept, building design + quality, developer's reputation, accessibility, land tenure as constant factors for both scenarios

a few variables hv to be taken into consideration.
1. Is the condo ease of tenancy? (located near decent & renown colleges (Taylor, Sunway, Inti, HELP, SeGi etc), LRT)
2. Projected yield (3.8%-4.5% nett ROI, CONSISTENTLY is healthy)

3. Holding power (how long to sustain the mthly repayment?), if one can hold 2 years after the completion, then SD is better bet. If kenot hold, but 1 & 2 is fulfilled, then condo is safer bet. icon_idea.gif

Alwiz remember, for condo play, dun simply buy although it is relatively cheap or below mkt value, must do more studies on vicinity development (DD vs SS). Condo/apt supply has touched a critical red line!!

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QUOTE(jet2020 @ Aug 21 2011, 06:50 PM)
"Put all apples in one basket is not always wrong"....of course 99 times wrong and 1 time correct and this statement still qualify, rite? 
in bad times, the lesser value props will have better liquidity than higher value prop(>$1mil) regardless if it's highrise or landed.
in good times, the lower value props tend to appreciate faster than expensive props regardless if it's highrise or landed....ask Pai taikor and he can easily quote you many successful investments
IMHO, investing in blue chip landed real estate as sweeping statement is flawed and misleading......Bro, no offence and my intention is to share my thots  notworthy.gif

Added on August 21, 2011, 6:53 pm
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I cannot expect everyone carry the same opinion like me, otherwise it defeat the purpose of this forum. Although I dun agree what you say again & I do sometimes dun agree what Pai Kor say too, but I truly respect & welcome feedback & disagreement. icon_rolleyes.gif notworthy.gif

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post Aug 22 2011, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(MILAN88 @ Aug 21 2011, 11:26 PM)
I just went to the 3 storey superlink site to take a look. Saw the road in between 2 rows of houses is less than 50ft. I measured from the house main entrance to opposite row house main entrance is about 80ft, less out both houses car porch length about 24ft each. Balance of 32ft is the road width? I remember everyone keep saying is a good property cos it has 50ft width road. Anyone can help to confirm this or my measurement is wrong?
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This is the diagram taken in TMS sales office, the drawing is scaled according to the actual plot being measured by land surveyor, shd be quite accurate.
I do not know whether TMS has the intention to mislead the buyers, but if you look at the locational plan carefully, at the bottom part Semi-D road is stated 40ft. Try to use a ruler to measure the distance and compare to the link houses inter link road, you will find that link houses road is slightly wider, otherwise measure the link houses which is 75ft and measute again. It clearly shows that the road width is more than 50% of 75ft.

According to the SA, individual title of the link houses has been subdivided out prior the land dealing between TMS and Mahajaya, it is too late for TMS to alien the individual/strata title & make it G+G for link houses, thus only SD & Bungalow are strata title. TMS has to follow Mahajaya original planned lot size to launch KR link houses, if you examine the old phases by Majajaya, you will notice that the road is almost 50ft wide.

By the way, how do you measure? infra red distance measurement instrument? I hope you are wrong. smile.gif

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QUOTE(MILAN88 @ Aug 22 2011, 12:29 AM)
I actually did a rough measurement only, no special tools being used. Have anyone actually went to site to do any measurement before? Has anyone confirmed this with MS before? I can't find this info in the brochure.

Cookies, sorry if I make u worry, btw hv u sign yr SPA?
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I dun think TMS makes such a mistake or has any mean to mislead, if not... bruce.gif
Shd be at least 45ft, my main concern & reason to purchase the superlink is road width. 50ft wide is superb, it looks something like this... thumbup.gif

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post Aug 22 2011, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(logen33 @ Aug 22 2011, 12:56 AM)
Don't worry!
Please refer to survey plan attached -3 Storey Superlink have 50'0" wide road. laugh.gif
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post Aug 23 2011, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(MILAN88 @ Aug 22 2011, 12:56 AM)
I do hope that i will turn out at least 45ft and not 30+ft. Btw maybe you can help us to clear all our concern by confirming with TMS.


Added on August 22, 2011, 1:04 am
Thanks logen for the valuable piece of information. However i do hope that the 50ft applies to all road in 3 SSL and not to road which do not face houses like DU 4/7 and 4/10.
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http://www.chinapress.com.my/node/246219 - China Press
Today's news, proposed new highway,
Kinrara - Serdang - Putrajaya Highway (SKIP)
Good news to Putra Permai and Equine's park residents rclxms.gif
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post Aug 28 2011, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(OPC @ Aug 28 2011, 08:02 AM)
Bad News to Puncak Jalil / Kinrara's residence, This highway connect to NSVE and Bukit Jalil Highway.

The traffic flows now will bottle neck in Bdr Kinrara / Puncak Jalil exit to Bukit Jalil Highway.
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No I dun think so, highways or new access will definitely bring prosperity to vicinity areas in different magnitude.
Except for those condos / row of houses that face the highway / elevated highway directly will be seriously affected, a good example is the Zone L M & N in Sri Petaling, price of those houses that back by the elevated Maju Dedicated Highway are seriously tarnished.

I do not know whether the route has been finalised or not, judging fr the sketch drawing, there are 7 interchanges being proposed, once it is completed, 90% of the surrounding houses / shops / factories prices will be inflated in certain degree (including Kinrara Residence).
IMO, in between Putra Permai to Cyberjaya/Putrajaya, there are a few mega projects under planning, another CBD is definitely in the making.

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O2 City - Option 1
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O2 City - Option 2

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IOI Resort City The mall will have 1.3 million square feet of lettable space for anchor tenants such as hypermarket, cinema, health and fitness centre, ice-skating rink and wave house. about 40% of total floor area of Mid Valley.

Area benefits fr this highway
1. Putra Permai / Equine Park - Escape / reduce traffic jam / time taken to KL / PJ can be shorten by half
2. Serdang lama / baru (UPM) - ease of excess to Puchong and PJ
3. Lestari Perdana / Kinrara Uptown - perfect location as one interchange proposed next to it
4. Kinrara / Kinrara Residence - Time saving going south to KLIA / LCCT is enhanced, ease of connecting to CBD in Cyberjaya in the future

If this highway is built elevated in Kinrara area, Duet Residence @ Bdr Kinrara could be affected, facing golf also facing highway

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Added on August 28, 2011, 12:36 pm
QUOTE(mrPOTATO @ Aug 28 2011, 10:59 AM)
I can't read mandarin, NO.1 is kinrara ? If its the case, its designed to  benefit seri kembangan folks. Even now, the BH highway bottlenecks in several places. This isn't part of the kinrara-damansara highway ?
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It is not Kinrara - Damansara Highway, no connection at all.
KD Highway starts fr Taman Kinrara / Sunway Kinrara - PJS 3 - PJ town center - Tropicana

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post Aug 30 2011, 01:19 AM

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I think this is a preliminary proposal only, pending for objections fr residents being affected.
After SKIP passing by Kinrara Uptown shoplots, in order to bypass residential areas, it goes straight up cutting Ayer Hitam Forest Reserve until touching KR border, and then make a sharp left turning into AHFR again passing fr the back of Kinrara BK6 Hening, came out cutting through Duet Residence's land, end joining back to Kinrara main road.

1. Behind Hening is a large natural reservoir, will be a hassle.
2. Duet Residence 2 acres of land is part of the route, could it be? If yes, then Duet Residence has to be cancelled.

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QUOTE(Donald Trump @ Aug 31 2011, 01:28 AM)
This skip thing is being overated here....

1st ...only a few young pakatan fella came out with the announcement...talk only...highway concessions belongs to federal...so far nothing has been said from federal govt.

2nd...is a damn long way b4 commencement or any action taken...after election who knows what will happen...and this skip thing might only be for election campaign...like the old town pj story that has been telling election after election

3rd IF it ever take off...the content of the press conference states cleary:
All highway will be built on BRAND new routes no upgrading of existing roads AND WILL NOT touch forest reserve    
land at all AND will not affect existing residential area....dun see how they can achieve that on the kinrara residense side...either these guys are high on drXgs on dont even know what they r talking
Conclusion : finish talking but dun even know what they r talking! doh.gif


Added on August 31, 2011, 1:29 am
Mahajaya sand bricks.  Mah sing clay bricks...u get what u paid
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Mah Sing
2 & 2 1/2 storey - Sand bricks
3-storey - Clay bricks


Added on August 31, 2011, 9:43 am
QUOTE(cookies_cai @ Aug 31 2011, 08:07 AM)
Red circles = interchange
Yellow zone in Forest Reserve (FR) with mostly 0-14 degree soil slope class
Green zone with mostly 15-39 degree soil slope class
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QUOTE(alfredfx @ Aug 31 2011, 10:52 AM)
whats the different between sand and clay
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Sound resistance
Quality / hardness
Heat insulation
Color preservation (for clay roof tiles)

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QUOTE(cookies_cai @ Aug 31 2011, 02:19 PM)
Kalsa (Batamas' Calcium silica brick brand) is mainly used in highend and commercial projects. It is about 1.5 times more expensive and is a higher grade brick than traditional clay bricks.

Parts of Garden Residence Semi-D uses Kalsa bricks while earlier ones uses clay bricks. Residence of KR 3SSL, 2.5S & 2S need to chck wif TMS on wat type of brick is used. I've seen clay bricks used in KR 3SSL. I suspect the white bricks in the kitchen are Kalsa bricks. As to whether there is shortage or not, TMS is in a better position to comment
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According to SA, for 3-storey, kalsa bricks will be used in the event shortage of clay bricks
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QUOTE(ronn77 @ Aug 31 2011, 05:41 PM)
Just back from the showroom. Understand that prices has gone up by 100 - 200k compared to last year launching. The design for 3 storey link house very ordinary to me especially the ground floor but if have the budget then I rather go for the semi-d which seems a better choice but the price is approaching 2m.
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You kenot hv both.
There is no perfect house in this world, this is fact. so sometimes we need to let go something in exchange with personal needs.
Knowing that KR is leasehold,
Knowing that KR design is so so (including the SDs)
Knowing that KR is less strategic compared to Bdr Kinrara
Knowing that the building quality might not be tip top
I am vesting my interest in KR 3-storey still. Why?
Frankly, in Puchong, I dun hv many choices if I want :-
1. Decent security (safty)
2. Place escape fr LDP (going to KL / PJ)
3. Club house (for my children)
4. At least 5 rooms (I need 6 rooms indeed)
5. Sea level >40 m, flood concern
6. Assuarance of product delivery (TMS shd be safer bet, I only pick top 30 companies).
7. 50 ft wide road (my priority concern, hard to find in new housing now).
8. Near my work place in Bkt Jalil

I strongly avoid, high tension cable, ex-mining land, too near to factory and mosque.
IMO, KR fulfills 70% of my needs, not PERFECT but good enough. just sharing smile.gif


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QUOTE(MsPopcorn @ Aug 31 2011, 10:57 PM)
UFO...may I know which page of the S&P?  icon_question.gif

according to a developer friend of mine...kalsa bricks not really good compare to clay bricks..  cry.gif
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I hv no knowledge bout kalsa, may be true.
Building specifications not finalized yet and buyers putting deposits, quite weird ya cool2.gif sweat.gif

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QUOTE(cookies_cai @ Aug 31 2011, 11:44 PM)
You should all read the following article comparing the 3 types of bricks.

http://www.westerngranite.co.za/technical-...-comparison.php

The article also indicates crucial diff in the application of Kalsa vs Clay. E.g. Kalsa requires contraction joints vs. expansion joints for clay; Kalsa should b plastered in dry manner whereas clay should b relatively wet. You can then imagine why TMS is hesitant to mk tis public info - cause the masonry workers will then hv to build the walls wif diff methods. Imagine if the indon workers get it wrong coz TMS change brick supply halfway! will Conquas uncover the defects for us then? You won't knw until the moisture starts giving u prob a few years later :s

Having all tat, I still conclude tat Kalsa bricks are still technically superior.
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QUOTE(ronn77 @ Sep 1 2011, 01:07 AM)
UFO,

Would like to seek for your opinion.

Do you think you will swap the house from BPP to KR for about the same price?

Personally I feel the concept and the surrounding is pleasant and nice to stay and the bonus is it comes with clubhouse facility but still figuring out if it's a right decision to move from BPP to KR.
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Your question seems very simple, but it is indeed quite hard to answer.
IMHO, buying a property (for own stay) is very personal. It is all to do with Weighting/priority issue
Many years back, 3 golden investment rules/tips that I hold firmly :-
1. Freehold (50%) 2. Prime location (30%) 3. Landed (20%)

5 years ago, I change my rating (weight/priority)
1. Freehold 2. G+G 3. Prime location / average prime + good accessibility 4. Landed 5. Environment (landscaping) + club house 6. House facade + layout design
2 years ago, I change the sequence again
1. G+G 2. Freehold 3. Prime location / average prime + good accessibility 4. Environment (landscaping) + club house 5. Landed 6. House facade + layout design
and Now,
1. G+G 2. Prime location / average prime + good accessibility 3. Environment (landscaping) + club house 4. Landed 5. House facade + layout design 6. Freehold

BPP is freehold definitely better than KR leasehold, if you think or weight freehold the most important criteria, and rate location as minor concern, then BPP is definitely better for you. BPP will become a prime location when Puchong has well developed (next 10 years) and Cyberjaya / Putra Permai Equine park area become mature (15 years I estimate).

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QUOTE(ronn77 @ Sep 1 2011, 02:10 AM)
Good points.

However do you think location wise KR will be better than BPP? Personally I feel KR is a bit too deep from main road. Although prefer FH than LH but believe it's not the most important criteria as it it well compensated with other positive aspects. I'm targetting the 2 1/2 link house and tomorrow will bring my wife to take a look at this project again before deciding.
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Sorry I think I misunderstood BPP - I thought Bandar Bukit Puchong?
You mean Bandar Puteri Puchong rite?


My answer to KR location
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...0#entry36710308
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Sales as at 10/9/2011
Bungalow:

Semi-D Three-Storey (total 144 units, 119 units sold) - 83% sold:
Semi-D Double-Storey (total 120 units, 98 units sold) - 82% sold:
Link Three-Storey Purchasers (total 269 units, 245 units sold) - 91% sold:
Link Two-and-a-Half-Storey (Total : 67 units, 60 units sold) - 90% sold:
Link Double-Storey (Total : 113 units, 105 units sold) - 93% sold:

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QUOTE(Antzfield @ Sep 10 2011, 07:11 PM)
Many thanks for the update.  smile.gif

may i know the Semi-D refers to Palmiera only? if so, any idea on Ambrosia?
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Too early to finalize Ambrosia SD & Bungalow, preliminary around 30 units sold
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QUOTE(cookies_cai @ Sep 23 2011, 03:41 PM)
As a property comparison (Ambrosia):
IJM's Alvarez@Laman Granview selling for 3.3mil onwards.  47' X 85' (5300sf BU) with private lift and featuring roof terrace.
LBS recently launched new semi-d's in Puchong. 40' x 80' (4864sf BU) in size with private lift. Price is 2.4mil.
http://www.d-island.com.my/balvia_overview.html
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Dun really understand LBS, the SD ceiling height is bout 10th only, I am not impress. D'Island overall environment is quite fascinating, response for Superlink 22x100 (1.5 mil) & 22x80 (1.2 mil) also sold > 90%.
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QUOTE(yoki @ Sep 23 2011, 09:08 AM)
the highway can be the premium killer
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I carry different view, added value (at least 15%) for KR once SKIP is ready. Except for those houses directly facing the highway will be affected, the rest of the areas will benifit fr ease of accessibility.
Try to imagine...
if without NKVE - how will Setia Eco Park & Setia Alam perform?
if without LDP - how will Bandar Puteri & the entire Puchong, DPC perform?
if without KESAS - how will Kota Kemuning, Bukit Rimau, Botanic & Bkt Tinggi perform?

SKIP will certainly boost up the property price in Putra Permai (the most), Serdang, Kinrara.
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QUOTE(ckwong111 @ Sep 30 2011, 11:30 PM)
Great! Thanks for the heads up...

Am I right to assume that the disbursement & stamping duty for loan agreement differs based on value of the house?
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Loan stamping is calculated based on loan amount (not selling price)
for instance :

A - Bought 3-stry Superlink at 1.0 million, loan 90% = 900K

- MOT stamp duty = 24K
- Loan stamping fees = 4.5K

B - Bought 3-storey Superlink Corner at 1.5 million, loan 50% = 750K

- MOT stamp duty = 39K
- Loan stamping fees = 3.75K




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