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Investment KINRARA RESIDENCE [OWNERS' THREAD], Lifestyle landed homes from Mah Sing

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post Apr 12 2011, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Apr 12 2011, 09:07 PM)
You are not satisfy with the sales figure?? I am very surprise, fr day one I said TMS, with this kind of unfriendly pricing, can't achieve 50% of the total sales...the response is shocking me!!
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by the way what is the new price for semi-D now?
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post Apr 13 2011, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(Covillea @ Apr 13 2011, 01:20 PM)
kee1, very well articulated.

kinrara residence have become the icon for puchong like how lake edge used to transform puchong those days.

look at their clubhouse launching last sat is clear evidence that when they launch their bungalows, it'll be another level of excellence & fanfare.


Added on April 13, 2011, 1:43 pmhttp://www.vinann.com/2011/04/kinrara-residence-palmiera-semi-d.html


Added on April 13, 2011, 1:51 pmif alam sanctuary can sell at rm1.2 mil - rm1.3 mil for its 2-storey semi-d, then mah sing's kinrara residence 2-storey should go for rm1.7 mil.

http://alamsanctuary.77forum.com/

why is mah sing selling so low? does anyone knows?
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Covillea,

if you were offered RM1.7 mil for the basic intermediate unit, do you take it? i think you may not right. But looking at the trend of pricing 2nd last row priced at RM1.54mil highly likely last row will be priced at RM1.7 since it has 10 ft land extra.

Remember, MS has to sell 264 units of Semi-D (120 + 144) assuming the average price of RM1.4 mil that is total GDV of RM369 mil. Assuming 80% of MOF, the bank got to absorp ~ RM300 million in form of mortgage loan. NOT a small amount though! what is the size of Alam Sanctuary?

So dont be so greedy. Leave some room for the next guy to be able to get financing. in property investment, bank appetite to give out loan is critical, if they are not as bullish as you, market could not move. i think current price is about right! if it is truly KR a gem, the price will eventually move towards that direction later and must be concur by the end financier, ie the banks.

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post Apr 13 2011, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Covillea @ Apr 13 2011, 03:03 PM)
mr hawk, great explanation.
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sorry if i have offended you ya!
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post Apr 13 2011, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(cooolguy @ Apr 13 2011, 03:32 PM)
Even though the material specification is important, the surrounding neighbourhood is equally important too. No doubt that they're using lousy materials compared to most high end developments in KL. But if TMS could make the entire neighbourhood very conducive to leading quality lifestyle and raising a family, it will compensate whatever shortcoming in the material specification. For example, they should work on the following to make the housing estate very desirable:

- employ top quality security system and personnel, not just hire a few guards who say hi & bye to you. YTL has done a great job in their Lake Edge development.
- well maintenance of the clubhouse,
- nice roads and landscape, 

Other factors that are out of TMS's control would be all the high end amenities such as:

- Connectivity - I hope the road from BK6 to BK9 will be opened soon as the overhead ramp to BK9 will be completed soon. Besides, when are they going to build the diamond shape interchange at the Puncak Jalil entrance next to Sirim?
- Good private / international school - if TMS or I&P would build an international school here, I'm sure property price here could be doubled in less than 5 years.
- Quality grocerry shopping - if Cold Storage or Jaya/Village grocers would open a supermarket here, people won't have to shop for groceries in Subang parade or Empire Mall.
- Shopping Mall - even though IOI mall is not top notch, it is a reasonably good neighbourhood mall with plenty of apparels, Gym, F&B and cinemas. So can't complain too much. I just hope that Setia Walk be successful like Sunway Giza in Kota Damansara.
- Parks - besides the 2-acre linear park within KR, there is already a big public park in Bukit Jalil. Besides, people who enjoy jungle trekking will like the forest reserve a lot.
- High end job market - With all the good infrastructure, The Technology Park in Bukit Jalil is doing a very lousy job in attracting multinational companies. Hopefully this Ho Hup city will come up soon!
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Coolguy, excellent wish list! i hope you are not investor! if you are buying based on this wish list then you target price may not be achieved. cry.gif
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post Apr 26 2011, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(endieyap @ Apr 26 2011, 09:07 PM)
Alextsk,

Oh no, this is really sucks!!
Not only we purchasers of MH are fuming about the charges, I think the MS purchasers will think the same.
How can they suka suka changed the building plans while the construction is ongoing now??
So, end of the day, did u sign it?
Mr. Kenjiro,

I thought we had signed the upgrade agreement that come with add. built up, etc which is offered by MS at the 1st place.
And I cant believe that MS did not honours it & just changed as they like. What happen to their goodwill lehh?    doh.gif

I come to know that MS will ask the non-upgrade buyers to sign the new building plan that had similar/same layout facade with the upgraded.
But now it look like it even worst for us especially on the charges.

Actually what is the circumstances if all of us opt not to sign the "3 things" that Alextsk mentioned?  shakehead.gif
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wah, after reading all the complain for link houses, it seems quite complicated ah. i think for those who bought from MH, MS cant force you to sign the DMC. so just dont sign until you satisfy. hopeful it dont happen to semi-Ds.
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post May 7 2011, 09:52 PM

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it seems that most of the units have been sold, excluding Bumi reserved units. By the way what do bumi reserved meant? Developer can only sell to bumi, then can the bumi purchaser sell to another non-bumi?
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post May 17 2011, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(alfredfx @ May 17 2011, 09:44 AM)
why congratz. That doesnt mean you are able to sell at that price ....
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well, hard to say! how do you know no one will buy? currently, i believe most of the macro factors in this country remained stable and bear in mind that there is no limit for landed property as to how high is high! look at Desa Park City. and all the major city globally. Tokyo, Shanghai, New York, u name it.

But of course, as investors, you must be able to sustain if there is a minor hiccup. Long term view, property market remain bright. by the way, the house will only complete in 2 years down the road, lets see!

cheers.
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post May 17 2011, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ May 17 2011, 12:52 PM)
Smart developer knows how to create value - X factor value (environmental value - design, landscape, concept). I name a few, Sam Ling, SP Setia, Boustead Group, Sime Darby, Gamuda, Mah Sing, Sunway Group.....
Apart fr the traditional valuation method of taking land cost and building cost into consideration, those sleeping valuers shd wake up now to look into this factor which can enhance property value.
I study X-factor value for years, it shows significant result in property value enhancement, fr 30% to 100%, for example, look at Desa Parkcity, those 2-storey phase 1 & 2 terrace house only worth RM750K in Sri Damansara curent mkt, the x-value create additional 750K (100%), traded at 1.5 mil in 2010.
p/s - Bandar Kinrara dun hv x-value at all!!
my 2 bakuli
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Honestly, valuer in town in is aware of the x-factor. but it was not taught in school, so how to put in valuation report? further more the x factor is difficult to quantify and justify.
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post May 17 2011, 08:54 PM

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KR Vs DK, i think they are not comparable. cater for different market. i think if you can afford 4 mil, you probably could buy a piece of land in BK or bukit jalil area and build you own bungalow to your own taste. just my humble opinion. but of course this comes with a lot of hassle.
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post May 21 2011, 06:52 AM

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QUOTE(logen33 @ May 20 2011, 11:18 PM)
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Summary of Comparison between Kinrara Residence and Surrounding Housing Scheme

Advantages:
1) Location nearer to KL and easy accessibility.
2) Next to Forest reserve with fresh air and environment.
3) High ground with nice view & greening environment.
4) Gated & Guarded with centralized home security alarm system.
5) Contemporary design with premier lifestyle concept living.
6) Clubhouse and nice landscaping environment.
7) Green Building guideline features.
Key Enhancement Factors:
1) Successful Development of Jalil City Commercial Centre.
2) Jalil Interchange to Bdr Bkt Jalil - Ho Hup Jalil City (Sirim junction).
3) Completion of LRT Extension line will ease the traffic congestion
    of Bukit Jalil-Sungai Besi Expressway.
4) The Link road join to Putra Permai - Persiaran Lestari
5) Construction of Kinrara - Damansara Expressway.
Disadvantages:
1) Lease Hold Property:
    -Lack of Sub-sale value
    -Lack of Refinance value
    -Free Hold Property have Larger pool of buyers
    -Lack of Constant appreciation
    -Longer Transaction period needed
2) Surrounded by Free Hold Properties.
3) Traffic congestion at Giant junction.
4) Insufficient Commercial  facilities & activities.
5) Flight Path above Housing Scheme.
6) Near to Forest have potential disturbance by animal & insects (Monkey, snake, termites & bugs)
7) A lot of housing complete at the same time by year of 2014.
8) 2/3 Storey Semi D - Only provided with 4+1 rooms, should have min.5+1 rooms for Semi D.
9) Low Quality Material/Finishes provided by KR as compare with others housing scheme nearby.
10) Club house too small and insufficient facilities.
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What is the timeline for key enhancement factors? hopefully half of them are completed by the time KR hand over in 2013. Then it will boost value of KR further.
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post May 27 2011, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(logen33 @ May 26 2011, 07:52 PM)
No Doubt with all these good points, it seem to be good deal!
But who really can conquer the Lease Hold “Phobia”?


Added on May 26, 2011, 8:49 pmBasing on the sale/pre-register record shown very promising!
I believe TMS purposely increased the last row of 2 & 3 storey Semi D to 1.7mil & 1.9mil respectively is to create a comfortable zone to retain the owners until they really ink down the S&P agreement.
Very good marketing strategic!
Percentage of successful rate still very much depending on how the individual owner overcome the FEAR FACTOR - “Lease Hold Phobia” !! Sometime no matter how you perfectly plan, but just one tiny factor is good enough to spoil the whole soup!
Expected drop out rate about: 30%???
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hi logen, i used to think like you a couple of years ago. U got to monitor the changes in land use in Klang Valley (KV). Especially for those who come from outside KV, buying a leasehold property is a big NO! why? plenty of freehold land lah, who the hell will bother leasehold land. Urbanisation in KV is tremendous. Thousand of people is moving into live in KV. Demand for housing has been outpaced the supply of land. Remember land supply is static, demand is increasing everyday. Anecdotal evidence - look at how fast Kota Damansara has grown. i went there to scout for investment opp so many times. None were successful as always warn by property agents, friends and associates, that it is leasehold. Now, i think they are the buyers there, many years ago, it was so cheap! This is my personal experience! cost a lot of money! so please be guided.

Another reason for people to buy freehold is due to the uncertainty of when can the property be sold should the need arise. but for leasehold property being built within developed areas, there are always readily available buyers to take over your property - even though it is leasehold. if you cannot comprehend this u will loss lots of good investment opps.

I tend to agree with UFO, as people is getting more affluent, people is getting more "kiasi", security is becoming more important.

BTW, i m keen to know what do you mean by expected drop out of 30%?
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post Jun 3 2011, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(Covillea @ Jun 3 2011, 09:58 AM)
guys, i think mah sing has lost some steam promoting kinrara residence!

what happen?
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whats more to promote, almost sold out already right!
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post Jun 22 2011, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Jun 22 2011, 01:29 AM)
Dun get you??
You mean must BBB mode for new launchings all the way for the next 10 yrs only considered healthy?
The property mkt Bull Run has been going on since mid 2009, it is quite normal that some corrections happen, however I can still see great response for many landed projects i.e Mansions, Bdr Bkt Raja cluster SD, Empire Damansara Superlink homes, Seri Jalil Superlink + SD, Aman Putri Sg Buloh, TTDI Alam Impian etc, these groups of buyers/investors are not crazy, in my opinion, odd size landed properties are still shortage in supply...
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Hi UFO, could you explain "odd size" landed property.
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post Jun 22 2011, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Jun 22 2011, 05:46 PM)
At least 24x80..ie 30x70, 28x120, 25x85, 26x100...very limited, it will extinct (in prime area) one day
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but what make odd size property attractive to potential buyer?
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post Jun 23 2011, 09:03 AM

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[quote=UFO-ET,Jun 22 2011, 11:53 PM]
Affordable budget, floor area and flexibility
The key feature is built up area, superlink nowadays can reach 3700sf - 4000sf (2 & 2 1/2 -storey) and 5000sf (3-4 storey), it provides an option for buyer who want to buy semi-D and bungalow but constraint in budget.
If given a choice, I believe majority of us are dreaming to stay in a luxury semi-D or bungalow, however those NEW SD and bungalow price are far beyond our reach now, dream remains a dream. The alternative remedy would be Superlinks which cater the needs for large floor area, equipped with SD / bungalow features (quality building materials and accessories, more rooms, infinity/swimming pools, home lift, courtyard or in house garden, double volume high ceiling).
With the scarcity of land and increase in land acquisition cost, unlikely developers willing to built SD / Bungalow with "humanism' selling price anymore, therefore in order to maximize profit and guarantee achieved sales figure, architect attempts to modify the design of the building to suits rich buyer's taste, we can see creative products being marketed such as "Link Villas", "superlinks'', "link bungalow", "zero-lot bungalow", "cluster SD", "water villas' etc

Well good argument UFO! To me Bangalow and SD are also cater for the top 5% to 10% affluent irrespective of time/era. Like you said, given a choice everyone will be dreamt of living in Bangalow or atleast SD. Due to its exclusivity. Market forces will always ensure this equation in equilibrium. As the population getting affluent, bangalow and SD will be priced higher to maintained its exclusivity. it got to maintain the status that only the lucky few can afford. As the price goes higher, developer will throw in better and more advance features, most of the time you do not need!

well why are the Superlinks so called odd size properties getting poplular? to me the main reason is the proportion of middle high income group is growing faster pace then the super-rich or the high income group. Simple means for a same plot of land, developer can build 50 SDs sell to 500 potential buyers or build 150 superlinks sell to 150,000 potentials. if you want better statistic to prove this do an analysis on demographic of EPF contributors.
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post Jun 26 2011, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(airline @ Jun 26 2011, 02:31 PM)
Went there only maybank , uob and ocbc can finance their projects now
Price 1.03 million
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Unbelievable! the market is makin Mahsing so happy. should buy mahsing shares instead for investment purpose.
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post Jun 27 2011, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Jun 27 2011, 10:26 AM)
Yes, something like this

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btw, what are the differences between F+G and G+G?
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post Aug 16 2011, 05:23 PM

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Dear all, has anyone signed the S&P for Semi D? was it because the AP permit is still not issued by local authoirty yet?
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post Nov 30 2011, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(liang7524 @ Nov 29 2011, 09:09 AM)
Ofcourse yes. The finishing materials, surrounding areas, security system and etc. Please provide me with ur full details then I will send u the memorandum drafted by us.
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liang, i have booked SD 2 storey. going to sign next week. just wondering how you guys wish to proceed with your memorandum?


Added on November 30, 2011, 3:56 pmdear all, can someone comment on the Deed of Mutual Covenant? it is ready to be signed?

This post has been edited by mrhawk: Nov 30 2011, 03:56 PM
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post Feb 5 2012, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Feb 4 2012, 05:55 PM)
I think it is very easy to sell, the question is how much gross margin you are looking at, my forecast is 370/sf VP. if you targeting 420/sf up, it will come after the completion of Jalil City and LRT.
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how about Semi D?

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