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post Jun 28 2018, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(empatTan @ Jun 28 2018, 02:24 PM)
Sometimes, d problem is not oversupply per se, but d area MK may b "over-classed"...
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so MK is not exactly as classy as they thought to be from your point of view?
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post Sep 15 2018, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(mangoproperty @ Sep 14 2018, 11:13 PM)
Investors come better run fast fast.
What sizes they whack? 
Bulk purchase with developer ?
Usually what kind of developer will give bulk sell, weak or strong developer ?
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doesnt matter.... gt ppl bulk purchase... developer sure listen... weak or strong... business still must goes on... u got the strong numbers of buyers... no developer will push u out the door...
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post Sep 16 2018, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(deadravel @ Sep 16 2018, 07:26 PM)
actually i would like to understand why u both say oversupply in mk?
how u define oversupply cuz if oversupply, 1st thing - rental price should drop isnt it?
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MK currently have super alot of big ass sizes condos... which really dropping like waterfall... smaller units which can attract more varieties of tenants and flexible in strategizing rental income maximisation not that much for now.... wait for more supply of SOHO SOFO SOVO... then we will see is it this kind of product able to perform well here or not in the long term...
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post Sep 17 2018, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Sep 17 2018, 11:51 AM)
No lei. I don't see priced dropping. U can check mk damai.. Mk10&11.
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in term of rental pricing for those big units... i think dropping also already... have a subsale agent fren focus on MK mainly... he said not as good as 2-3 years ago.... but the drop at least not as worse as cyberjaya despite supplies also berlambak... haha
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post Sep 17 2018, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Sep 17 2018, 10:16 PM)
You can check bricks.my
Mk10 mk11 900psf. That's the price for a few years. Damai also. From 1.6m.. No drop

Rental yes. Not so good in mk compared to previously.
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owh... if u mentioned subsales value... then yes... like one mentioned... alot are good holding power buyers... they are not exactly over-geared until need to fire-sales.... laugh.gif laugh.gif the maintenance fees for those condos u mentioned already can cause over-geared owners to go lelong already... havent consider the installment they gonna pay...
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post Sep 17 2018, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Sep 17 2018, 10:23 PM)
Mk good for own stay... For rental... Naaaah.
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think small units here might still gt fighting chance in rental market.... but concern is developer gonna build more and more when they see those small units doing well... lolz
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post Nov 20 2018, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(hazwan_zohdi @ Nov 20 2018, 10:06 PM)
kiara 163 mall open for public edy? the ooak price should further appreciate right?
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wait it able to attract crowd like hell only say ba... so fast appreciate meh... bear in mind... dont think any malls in kiara area consider as successful though...
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post Nov 21 2018, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Nov 20 2018, 11:33 PM)
Got chili leh
Sure ong wan

Oook prices will go thru the roof
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lol.... itu personal preferences nia.... nothing related to appreciation mia... laugh.gif laugh.gif hopefully all the branded tenants will stay long there lol....
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post Nov 21 2018, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Nov 21 2018, 09:29 AM)
wait long long. cannot flip. u r stuck with the unit long term.
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maybe it can be another verve suites or arcoris leh... kenot so negative one bro.... brows.gif
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post Nov 28 2018, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Nov 28 2018, 09:38 AM)
told you guys alrd, for rental, try bayu. 2 bedder now 6XX k. 1000 sft. (around 600++ psf). you can spend some $$ to reno tastefully for gwailou rental. newer condo selling at 900psf.

just avoid some floors if pantang. and recheck all fitting, electrical wiring, water heater change. change the fridge too.  cool2.gif  cool2.gif

rental yield in mk isn't as good as previously, but still it's not a bad play.
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my fren's 1500sqft unit in mont kiara just lost her tenant to a studio unit at arcoris for the same rental rate as her 3 bedrooms... i would say only studio or 1-bedroom are doing well here in MK in term of rental yield other than due to low absolute price, maintenance fees also lower....
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post Nov 28 2018, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Nov 28 2018, 10:02 AM)
do you know what made the tenant move from a 3 bedroom unit to arcoris? big drop in living space.
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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Nov 28 2018, 10:03 AM)
is your friend worried? it's normal tenants move from one popoti to newer popoti. when i was a young man and renting i also moved around. but the last i checked one of the old popoti i used to stay long time ago still collecting rent. as for moving from 1500sft to studio i won't know why the tenant did it - to me its a major downgrade on space. as for rental, remember arcoris studio was 800k?, so i don't think the yield is that great anyway. i was offered a unit almost 900k but with 6% GRR (IIRC) and i can still rent it out during GRR period, but really it's just creative accounting on UEM Sunrise part.

seriously it's OK just get another tenant. she bought cheap , right? my neighbours' still get good tenant. just that vacancy is high (wait  3 months for tenant).

actually the key thing here is vacancy. nobody talks about that, or can measure it . if vacant 3 month on average btw tenant the yield is compressed by 12/15 = 0.8 ie 80% of gross.

so the main thing is to focus on getting decent tenant and ASAP.

for 2 bedder in bayu i'm pretty sure can get 2k, maybe nmore if fitted out with modern furniture and new appliance. i know two bedder old sunrise condo rent is around 2.5K. if can reno a bit and try for 2.5k / 600k, well still not so great but again the worry is the vacancy. previously these units can get 3k.

about your comment on small unit, yes, i agree. but remember that studio or 1 bedroom don't see much capital appreciation since they are designed only as rental unit, ie for singles or old retirees.
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he has been living on his own all these while for more than 5 years... always been sub-renting or staying with other korean frens... but his frens all went back korea already... only him alone continue his restaurant business here... so just wanna get smaller size unit... rental price not really concern for him... as he dont want stay alone in a 1500sqft condo already...

arcoris studio not so expensive la haha... abit on par with verve suites market price... i think a 500sqft studio only 500k++ only... yield not bad for i think 2300 per month...

she can get another tenant easily... just the rental price wont be the same for big units... big units generally oversupply in MK area anyway.... although holding power is strong... but still quite wasted to left it untenanted....

small units in MK very strong in subsales... verve, arcoris... alot of transactions these two years also... i expect 2018 shud be no transactions... but arcoris very strong in transacting this year.... but not sure how much appreciation those owners achieved thou... but if all these while covered well by rental... i think the gain should be decent than alot condos in KV or other premium locations...
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post Nov 28 2018, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(deadravel @ Nov 28 2018, 10:47 AM)
ya i notice studio unit/1br unit is more hot in MK recently years whistling.gif
those big big mega unit  shakehead.gif

acroris is the special one i would say. rental of studio can go very high i heard like 4k  doh.gif
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verve and signature suites nearby also boleh... see how u play with FF and whats your studio size only... 600+sqft studio renting 3100 and above generally...
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post Nov 28 2018, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Nov 28 2018, 10:49 AM)
space is a valuable commodity in MK, anyway maybe he prefers convenience and less walking
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actually the tenant in MK have very simple demand... they either wan smallest studio or largest more than 1500sqft to rent... those in between sizes 800-below 1500sqft usually getting very low demand or bad rental rates...

QUOTE(deadravel @ Nov 28 2018, 10:52 AM)
ok , seems like quite normal in MK for studio/1br getting 3k above.
anyone still selling their unit, pm pm haha whistling.gif

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but not sure when will oversupply also wor... it maybe good for short term... who knows more developer will build small units here in MK like OOAK....
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QUOTE(deadravel @ Nov 28 2018, 11:02 AM)
interesting, ill have to look more on this.
ya. arcoris, ooak, any more coming near jln kiara 1?
but seems like no land at jln kiara1 to build anymore, last piece is this 163 mix dev whistling.gif
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maybe the part closer to segambut or solaris area... and also dutamas areas... if the main kiara areas then really not much space for development already...

u can consider Societe too since DSH also having similar rental demand also....
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QUOTE(hazwan_zohdi @ Nov 28 2018, 11:13 AM)
816 sqft unit convert into 2 studios can get RM6000 for ff in ooak?
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see how u play lo... i doubt will have 6000 la... maximum rm5,000 if your tenant can accept its a converted studio rather than a proper studio... how u make two separate door entrance? to be fair... expat not picky on the price but they picky on the unit itself... bear this in mind....
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post Nov 29 2018, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Nov 28 2018, 07:24 PM)
i assume your friend unit is also on JK1 main road? if its in the kampung side then i can understand why tenant move to arcoris.

anyway confirm MK still got good rental demand. just that not so lucrative. but still not bad. as mentioned as long as vacancy not too long it's still doable if your metrics is low. at least beta than some place more south need to wait one year get shitty rental. haha  cool2.gif
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yea... hers is the kampung side... not the JK1 main road... hence at previous rental price... its actually very good for her already... haha... now have to give subsidy liao....

QUOTE(corleone74 @ Nov 28 2018, 07:31 PM)
600sft cost 600k rental 3100?? sure bo bro? i would take it with pinch of salt. remember what i said about vacancy.

LL can ask for 3100.. but if need to wait 6 month for tenant... that's a 30% haircut to the gross yield.

you can check

https://www.iproperty.com.my/rent/all-resid...ignature&page=1

there are pipu asking 2500, 2600 upto 3200 for 600+ sft unit. these are asking prices before nego. so i can't believe 3100 is a norm for rental for 600sft suite.

cool2.gif  cool2.gif

and as for OOAK 800 sft rent at 6K. .. that is pure fantasy.. like fantasy island bro.  http://www.quickmeme.com/img/c3/c3dcd72485...70a406b07c0.jpg

especially since for under 6k u can get a 2200 sft unit at damai.

https://www.iproperty.com.my/rent/mont-kiar...t%20Condominium

afaik, gwailou.. they like space.
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hmm.... on this kind of info... i have more to on the ground info... rather than looking from those datas u mentioned... if for example like signature suites... there are lower rental rates as well for those facing highway or the STP... haha... the one facing main road of DSH still ok.... as for verve suites 600sqft sizes... there are quite a number of rental at 3k above pricing.... all these mostly need some local agents to get info from... just check online... we can always say its asking price nia which i agree with you...

QUOTE(corleone74 @ Nov 28 2018, 07:37 PM)
i have never met a tenant who specify size. normally they look at price, no of bedrooms, amenities and so on. why would a tenant want the SMALLEST studio? it's the price. and the larger the unit, i would expect demand to also drop.

they should stop building in MK.
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haha.... i think going forward they will build those not up not down sizes more in MK like inspirasi those kind of sizes.... more koyak the rental market there....

as for sizes... still more from on the ground info... a few prop agent frens which focus in MK gave the feedback of how their market are... alot of things check online also cannot know one... just like someone ask me... why the hell someone wanna rent a 450sqft studio in signature suites at 2300 per month when it is surrounded by shit tonnes of negative stuffs... haha... but there really are quite some rental transactions at that pricing and size though...
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Nov 29 2018, 01:15 PM)
not try to be an expert in MK, but i thought Verve Suites sizes only two types? 4xxsq and 8xxsq?
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ada 4xx, 6xx, 8xx and 9xx too... based on brickz transactions la... haha
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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Nov 29 2018, 10:12 PM)
well u ri right to say u probably have more on the ground info, haha, since i not playing landlord in MK
but from my experience if agent they alwiz talk up the prices one, unless u say those agent like family member of yours then maybe more accurate..

if your fren condo in kampung side, depend how deep in.. but for sure if i'm expat i also may prefer downsixe to arcoris as the feeling is like 3 or 4x more atas environment.

also don't forget rental transact may look a lot but also have to double check the NO OF UNITS available for rental.. for eg u talk about 1800 sft units there are less in number compare to 500 sft units .. signature how many units in total liao..

but overall if u say really 3k rental is norm for 400-600sft unit then for me ho seh liao, i also happy in a way.
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i only believe in ground data since they are close frens of mine and they have nth to gain from me... laugh.gif laugh.gif tak ada kemampuan for MK prop for now.... but like to 6c6c....

yea true... her tenant also mentioned its easier to rent at arcoris... convenient and more livelier....

yea... generally studio sizes currently in whole MK area i think not even 1000 units maybe? signature baru that less than 100 units... lol... verve i think also studios maybe 400+ units tambah arcoris also 330+ units... big sizes in MK should be 2-3 times the number of that... haha
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post Nov 29 2018, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Nov 29 2018, 10:17 PM)
i believe some are loft type and the "upstairs" counted in the sft.. right?
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yea correct... those generally not really attractive at subsales market... 400-600 sqft units quite strong at subsales...
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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Nov 29 2018, 10:26 PM)
ok man if what u say korek then good for investor i guess. don't forget tambah twy, twy2 .. lagi jangan lupa gateway kiaramas.. izen1 , izen 2...
small format pun banyak juga oh.. bayu pun ada one bedders...
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yea true... tambah those hartamas/dutamas sekalian... memang not sikit... just that each developments also have their large size as well... hence its growing in line in term of numbers... laugh.gif laugh.gif

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